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Old Dec 03, 2008, 08:00 PM
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Waco YMF-3 Dave Platt -vs- Pica

Hi All,

I just picked-up a Dave Platt Waco YMF-3 60" biplane kit. I know that Platt designs went to Pica a while back. Does anyone know for sure if this is the same kit Pica went on to produce?

Thanks on advance!

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Old Dec 04, 2008, 09:58 AM
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There may be small differences, but the kit is basically the same.

Construction is "Old School," but very enjoyable.

When completed, you will have a great looking model that flys well.

My Pica WACO.
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Old Dec 04, 2008, 12:10 PM
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EJ - actually the kit is junk and doesn't fly very well. If you send it to me I'll be glad to properly dispose if it for you...

jk. Take your time (and this kit does take some time to build) and you'll be rewarded with a very nice, very accurate plane that can never be duplicated with and ARF. You'll absolutely love it once you're finished with it. And do a proper doped finish on it, not iron on plastic.

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Old Dec 04, 2008, 07:53 PM
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Tom,

That's what I figured. The cowling does not have the cylinder lifter cover "bubbles" on the cowling, at least in the picture. I'm guessing that they are glue-ons. Great looking model, by the way. What did you cover with?

Hogflyer,

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EJ - actually the kit is junk and doesn't fly very well. If you send it to me I'll be glad to properly dispose if it for you...
I bet you would! Thanks! No plastic film covering!!!

Now, I'm conflicted. AMA offers the plans for a 1/5 scale, 72" WMF (plan #35406). I like the idea of a larger model.

Thanks for your input,

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Old Dec 05, 2008, 12:58 AM
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EJ

My WACO was covered in MonoKote.

Just kidding. I covered her in Super Coverite and painted her with Lustre Kote.

The cowl blisters, on the Pica kit, are glued on by the builder.

The plans for the 72" version, are of the larger Pica kit. Some modellers, from that other site, donated the plans and templates to the AMA. There is a huge thread, devoted to this WACO, on that site, in the Antiques forum.

If it were me,. I'd build your Platte kit. If you like it, then buy the AMA plans.

I can tell you that the smaller version flys extremely well, but the larger version flys even better.

At some point in the future, I plan to build another WACO. I'm thinking that Quarter Scale would be nice.
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Old Dec 05, 2008, 12:37 PM
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Hi Tom,

I waded through the build thread you mentioned on the other site last summer. The two modelers in the thread were building from Pepino 90" plans, right at 1/4-scale for the YMF-5's 30' (upper wing) wingspan.

The Pepino plans were giving the two build log modelers fits, especially in the way of the fuselage. The stringer slots in the formers did not line-up with each other along the run of the stringers. Not a big deal, now that the problem is known! Plus, there was a problem with the bottom wing saddle not fitting the wing in a scale manner. I was going to order a set of Pepino plans to tuck away in my plans stash, but decided to wait for either a re-write, or a different publisher.

I think I'll sit on the 1/6 YMF kit for now. I too prefer the larger scale models.

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Old Dec 06, 2008, 08:13 AM
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EJ

There is a thread, about WACOs in general, but goes into detail about the Pica kit. It's not a build thread.

Now that you mention it, I seem to remember that I had trouble with my wing saddle when I went to set the incidence.

There's a build thread for a 33% WACO going on over there.

Proctor seells two WACO kits, in 25% and 33%. If I build another, I think I'll go with one of them.
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EJ - actually the kit is junk and doesn't fly very well. If you send it to me I'll be glad to properly dispose if it for you...

jk. Take your time (and this kit does take some time to build) and you'll be rewarded with a very nice, very accurate plane that can never be duplicated with and ARF. You'll absolutely love it once you're finished with it. And do a proper doped finish on it, not iron on plastic.

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Hello guys,

And do a proper doped finish on it, not iron on plastic.

The best advice I have read in a long time concerneing covering and finishing.

Get geuine aircraft dope as used by full size airplane rebuilders.
Do not get that stuff sold by hobby stores.

The stuff sold by hobby stores is too liquidy and you need too many coats and is VERY expensive.

Example without mentioning brand names.

Hobby stuff _ _ _ _
Three coats on bare wood,
Lay out fabric, three coats for gluing on the periphery.
Four coats nitrate.
Four coats butyrate.
Three or four coats color scheme.
two coats clear butyrate.
TOTAL coats 19.
Cost $52.00 a quart at the hobby shop.

Genuine dope for full size airplanes _ _ _ _
Two coats on bare wood,
Lay out fabric, two coats for gluing on the periphery.
Three coats nitrate.
Three coats butyrate.
Three coats color scheme.
One coat clear butyrate.
TOTAL coats 14
Cost $25.00 a quart.

Results with genuine dope is known to be still tight as a drum, no wrinkle and nice looking after over 50 years.

Results with hobby stuff is unknown.

Enjoy a well finished model airplane.
Also a well glued airplane with double gluing and glue fillets everywehere.

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Proctor seells two WACO kits, in 25% and 33%. If I build another, I think I'll go with one of them.
I visited the Proctor site. The YMF-5s offered by Germany's Flugmodellbau Barth are incredible! After building something like that, what's left? Of course you'd have to go radial too!

Surely Pepino knows of the needed fixes in his plans and is hopefully revising them?

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Unfortunately, Jim Pepino died several years back. If I remember correctly, his wife is operating the plans service. This does mean, however, that there is little chance of any revision to the plans.

The Barth WACOs are nice, for sure. I have a Saito 450. I wonder if it would fit in the cowling ? LOL

Actually, the big Saito is scheduled to power a 1/4 Hostetler Cessna 195.
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Old Dec 07, 2008, 11:44 AM
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This does mean, however, that there is little chance of any revision to the plans.
I take it that if there were more/another set of 1/4 scale plans out there the Waco Brotherhood would make them known with their builds.

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The Barth WACOs are nice, for sure. I have a Saito 450. I wonder if it would fit in the cowling ? LOL
FORCE IT!!! Get a bigger hammer!

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Actually, the big Saito is scheduled to power a 1/4 Hostetler Cessna 195.
I have a set of those plans in the "stock pile" as well. I love the Hostetler plans. Easy to read (meaning BIG) and fiberglass parts available.
Your 450 (3-cylinder?) is going to make it produce an awesome noise...

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Old Dec 07, 2008, 07:52 PM
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EJ

Contact Stikbuilder, over there. He's a WACO expert, and a super nice guy. He may know if there are other plan sets out there.

I have the plans, kit, and glass parts for the big Cessna. I still need to purchase the landing gear. The firewall will need to be recessed to accomodate the Saito, but I can make it work.

I should start construction in late Spring. Look for a build thread, as I'll be doing one on the Groups.
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Old Dec 07, 2008, 09:02 PM
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Tom,

I have the main gear. Ordered it from Abell R/C:
http://www.abellrc.com/abellrchome.html

The main gear comes in two pieces.

Thanks for the head's up on stikbuilder. By the way, I sent Barth an email about plans. They only supply plans with their kits.

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Old Dec 08, 2008, 08:38 AM
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Thanks, EJ.

I'm not fond of the 2 piece gear, but. Maybe I'll have TNT make up a single piece unit.

It's too bad that Barth won't sell just the plans.

If you're interested, I have the plans for an HKS, cabin model, designed by Norm Rosenstock. They are 1/5 scale, G-38 size.

They're a bit cut up, but useable. I also have most of the fuselage formers cut out.

You can have them for free. Send a PM if interested.
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Old Dec 08, 2008, 10:54 AM
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Thanks, EJ.

I'm not fond of the 2 piece gear, but. Maybe I'll have TNT make up a single piece unit.
I know what you mean. If you get TNT to make up the gear, let me know, please.

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It's too bad that Barth won't sell just the plans.
But they were VERY interested in selling me a kit!
Maybe after the new year I'll do some "heavy" fishing...

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If you're interested, I have the plans for an HKS, cabin model, designed by Norm Rosenstock. They are 1/5 scale, G-38 size.

They're a bit cut up, but useable. I also have most of the fuselage formers cut out.

You can have them for free. Send a PM if interested.
Wow! That's nice of you, thanks for the offer.

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