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Old Oct 27, 2008, 12:56 PM
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Odd, I don't know of any capitalists here defending that dip into taxpayer pockets
the capitalists here are of no consequence. The capitalists that matter have all turned
socialist...apparently the "signal" that socialism (like greed) is good for capitalists hasn't
yet reached the capitalist base that allows the capitalists that really matter to make
gazillions and then steal from taxpayers when their shenanigans blow up.

And I'm betting most of the capitalists that matter are also Objectivists who have donated
to various Ayn Randist causes.
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:08 PM
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The extreme right spin machine has been put on military boost.

"People treated as chattel"... "A second civil war"...

You guys self prophesize much?
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:09 PM
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this clip has made the front page of drudge and is now gaining attention elsewhere.

what he has said and believes is perfectly legitimate to discuss and decide upon
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:14 PM
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the capitalists here are of no consequence.
well, that of course is based in your view that individual beliefs don't matter. thing is, the folks here mirror much of the larger view shared by many others, and you will see if you look, that many other capitalists, not just the ones here, share this view.

so you can deal with the points stated, or you can continue with the non sequitur that capitalists here are of no consequence. you've dissed your opponents, but you have failed to contradict the fact that actual capitalists following principle will oppose precisely what you claim they support.

further, I'll note that while you are attacking dipping into taxpayer pockets, the folks on your side in congress supported it wholesale. Do you attack them as well?
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:16 PM
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Spread the wealth apparently means spread "your" wealth!
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(In 2006) The money went to several organizations. More than $27,000 total was given to Obama's church, Trinity United Church of Christ, whose former pastor Jeremiah Wright has dominated recent news coverage. Other charity gifts included: Muntu Dance Theater, a Chicago-based company that performs contemporary and classic African dance, which received a $5,000 donation; The Rochelle Lee Fund, a literacy organization, which received a $20,000 donation; the Illinois Reading Council, which received a $25,000 donation, and CARE, the poverty fighting organization, which received a total of $31,000 in donations. Obama also classified a $13,107 contribution to the Congressional Black Caucus as a charity gift.

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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:18 PM
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this clip has made the front page of drudge and is now gaining attention elsewhere.

what he has said and believes is perfectly legitimate to discuss and decide upon
Like most every important issue, only the right and Obama skeptical will pay attention to it. The rest are under the Koolaid influence or waiting for their first redistribution check
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:21 PM
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Like most every important issue, only the right and Obama skeptical will pay attention to it. The rest are under the Koolaid influence or waiting for their first redistribution check
If, as an old geezer, I get my Federal Income Tax reduced to zero by Obama, he get's my vote four years from now. I do have my price and that would be it!

You 20-40 year olds who are voting him in can fund that. Can't you?
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:28 PM
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If, as an old geezer, I get my Federal Income Tax reduced to zero by Obama, he get's my vote four years from now. I do have my price and that would be it!

You 20-40 year olds who are voting him in can fund that. Can't you?
I'll hit 50 right after he might take office. That would be my breaking point too. He'll I'd vote for him if he'd just reduced my '08 taxes to zero
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:29 PM
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this clip has made the front page of drudge and is now gaining attention elsewhere.

what he has said and believes is perfectly legitimate to discuss and decide upon
OOH! Drudge.... rhymes with..
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:40 PM
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further, I'll note that while you are attacking dipping into taxpayer pockets, the folks on your side in congress supported it wholesale. Do you attack them as well?
no, because inaction would have been disastrous. See, that's the problem with
lack of regulation...the capitalists free themselves to bring the system to the brink
of collapse and then they seek hand-outs from the same government that they
want to take out of their business with their lobbyists and their political
contributions. The capitalists have brought themselves full circle and are now looking
at their own cynicism, the other choice being extinction. And because we have allowed
them to couple so tightly with Main St. we, along with them, are being forced to either
bail them out and then tightly regulate them or share in their extinction. The
Democrats chose to bail them out. What would Ayn Rand have done ?
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:47 PM
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no, because inaction would have been disastrous.
I see. so you're attacking people on the other side for doing what you back when it's your guys


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See, that's the problem with lack of regulation...the capitalists free themselves to bring the system to the brink of collapse and then they seek hand-outs from the same government that they want to take out of their business with their lobbyists and their political contributions.

odd, just a few days ago you were complaining about the lack of specificiy when someone showed you the number of regulations that already exist. now, you're back to merely attacking'deregulation'.

I have little to add to the rest of the comment, since I already oppose the actions of those you describe.
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:49 PM
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:53 PM
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Obama will win the election and he will have a democratic congress. That is almost a given if polls are to be believed. And I'm sure he will push many of his socialistic ireas through.
However it won't take too long before the American people wake up and smell the stench of socialism.

It takes money to create jobs. Where do you think this money will come from? Poor people don't have it to invest. Government can only invest taxes and jobs created by government are a tax burden rather than an economic building block. If those with money are not allowed to make money--and remember it is their money at risk--they will simply invest offshore. Money in foreign banks is in many cases untouchable. (Don't believe it--ask Ted Kennedy. Most of his holdings are now off-shore very safe from estate taxes that he wants you to pay.) Poor people dont sign your paychecks and if the wealthy are overly taxed there won't be many paychecks to sign.

Keep in mind also that jobs are a liability to companies. Companies do not exist to create jobs--they exist to make money. If they don't make money jobs tend to go away. If stockholders don't make money on their investments they take their money out of those investments which costs jobs. No money --no expansion.

So the moral of the story is simple. If unemployment and rescession is your idea of a better well run America then GO FOR IT.

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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:57 PM
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odd, just a few days ago you were complaining about the lack of specificiy when someone showed you the number of regulations that already exist. now, you're back to merely attacking'deregulation'.
you're making stuff out of thin air...nobody "showed" the number of regulations that
already exist. Counting pages in the Federal Register does not constitute "showing"
that it was regulation of financials that caused the collapse.

I suggest you go construct another group attack thread out of some imagined
action taken by imagined liberals. You're good at it.
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Old Oct 27, 2008, 01:59 PM
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So, if Obama wins, the whole country can just sit back, not try to advance themselves and let the government take care of our needs.

Since I will get the same as someone who works their butt off, I think I'll just sit around and goof off for a bit.

The government can take care of the problems of a lowering productivity. We can be a nation of "gimme's".

Just remember, "All animals are created equal. but some animals are more equal than others."
How about me? I'm an old man, and due to circumstances not completely under my control, I wasn't able to save as much and invest as much as I would have liked to. So, I can't really live the way I'd like to, meaning I can't travel as much as I'd like to, or buy as much as I'd like to. So, if Obama gets in, I can go ahead and waste what little money I have saved up, and when I run out, THE CHOSEN ONE will take care of me. Have I got that right?
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