Oct 22, 2008, 04:25 AM Joined Dec 2006 178 Posts Discussion Lifting capacities Hey all, I'm thinking of building a blimp, and was wondering if you could tell me the lifting capacity of Helium and Hydrogen, like, how many grams per cubic centimetre or something like that. Thanks -R
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 Oct 22, 2008, 05:17 AM Joined Dec 2006 178 Posts I think I found it!! Please confirm Hydrogen has a lifting capacity of 1.1 kg/m³, and Helium has a lifting capacity of 1.02 kg/m³. thats: 1100gram/ cu. m cu. m. = 100 cubed = 1,000,000 cu. cm. therefore: Hydrogen: 0.0011g/cu. cm Helium: 0.00102g/cu. cm -R
 Oct 23, 2008, 07:28 AM Registered User Birmingham, AL Joined Aug 2003 945 Posts helium lifts ~1oz per cu ft
 Oct 23, 2008, 06:42 PM Whats a search engine? Missouri Joined Jun 2006 886 Posts One cubic foot of helium will lift about 28.2 grams, so multiply the volume of the balloon by 28.2. Divide by 448 -- the number of grams in a pound -- to determine the number of pounds it can lift.
 Oct 24, 2008, 01:16 AM Joined Dec 2006 178 Posts Thanks I just wanted to confirm those weights and you guys did Cheers is my hydrogen value correct?
 Oct 24, 2008, 01:23 AM Registered User Joined Aug 2006 81 Posts Actually it's not the "lifting gas" that lifts weight. It's the air that provides static lift, while the lifting gas just produces weight. Maybe you know the fun question "What's lighter: one kg of lead or one kg of feathers?" It's similar with buoyancy. Question: What gives more buoyant lift, one cubic meter of helium or one cubic meter of hydrogen? Answer: both the same. Even one cubic meter of concrete gives the same buoyant lift as one cubic meter of helium. It's just concrete is heavier than helium, and helium is heavier than hydrogen. Both weight and buoyancy are forces due to gravity, I guess that's why they are mixed up from time to time. The word 'lifting capacity' is quite a telling term for what one actually wants from a lifting gas: it's buoyancy less weight ;o) Best, Johannes Last edited by johannes.eissing; Oct 24, 2008 at 03:51 AM.
 Oct 24, 2008, 01:32 AM Joined Dec 2006 178 Posts arghh...too many words for a friday arvo!!
Oct 24, 2008, 03:04 AM
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 Originally Posted by inventing_man One cubic foot of helium will lift about 28.2 grams, so multiply the volume of the balloon by 28.2. Divide by 448 -- the number of grams in a pound -- to determine the number of pounds it can lift.
That would be 454 there's 453,59 grams in a pound.
Oct 24, 2008, 03:39 AM
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 Originally Posted by microtaylorcraft arghh...too many words for a friday arvo!!
The weekend is near, hang in there ;o)

Here are definitions from the Airship Design Criteria (FAA-P-8110-2):

SUBPART I - GENERAL
1.2 Definitions
(f) Weight of pure gases at standard sea level atmospheric condition of 29.92 inches Hg. pressure and 15° C temperature:
(1) Dry air = .07647 lb/ft3.
(2) Dry helium = .01054 lb/ft3.
(g) Unit lift - The value used should be identified in the analysis of the design. In the absence of a rational analysis, 0.0635 lb/ft3 (96% purity) should be used for helium.
Best, Johannes
Oct 24, 2008, 11:38 AM
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 Originally Posted by Chickenthief That would be 454 there's 453,59 grams in a pound.
Yes but helium does have weight too. The helium weight is subtracted out to give a answer of real lift potental for a given volume.
 Oct 24, 2008, 11:46 AM Real Time Recon smith mt. lake VA. Joined Jan 2007 8,292 Posts Dont know if this will help.But a 5.5 foot dia. will lift 2.2 lbs...RTR http://www.balloonbasics.com/JUMBO_BALLOONS.html
 Oct 24, 2008, 08:20 PM Joined Dec 2006 178 Posts Ok thanks for the help guys, me and a mate are looking at building a 6metre rigid airship and I wanted to know how big to make it to be able to lift all the RC gear and a wireless camera.
 Oct 25, 2008, 05:41 AM Mostly harmless Nepal, Central Region, Dhulikhel Joined Aug 2006 617 Posts A rigid ? why? Do you have any particular reason for making the airship rigid? A rigid frame only adds unnecessary weight to the aircraft. If you are looking up to build an RC airship with camera, Blimp or semi-rigid would be much easier to build and more resilient on the long run...
 Oct 25, 2008, 06:06 AM Joined Dec 2006 178 Posts Well....i personally don't fancy building such a large envelope for a blimp...so Rigid is the way to go. -R
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 Originally Posted by microtaylorcraft Well....i personally don't fancy building such a large envelope for a blimp...so Rigid is the way to go. -R
6m rigid sounds very intriguing. What is the volume or diameter you're aiming at? I always thought an iglu- tent or folding boat like design should make sense for this size of a 'collapsible' rigid.
Best, Johannes

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