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Old Jun 08, 2001, 05:04 PM
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sloping in michigan? What plane?

I have been fasinated by slope soaring for a few years now. I just heard sleeping bear dunes offers good conditions. I dont know what type of plane to use? I would like it to be aerobatic if possible. I would say I am an intermidiate to advanced flier, but have only played with my zagi on some small hills. Any info would be great! ---Mike

Yeah, I cant spell.
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Old Jun 10, 2001, 08:01 AM
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Mike, a few guys at my LHS go up ther to slope in MI and they are flying a sloper called the Fun-1 from Charlie Richardson. IT is a glass fuse, 60" sheeted foam wing design sloper. Very aerobatic, very fun to fly (hence the name)Go to www.alshobbyshop.com or call them to see if they have any in stock.
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Old Jun 10, 2001, 01:27 PM
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i would assume the hills are small, a hlg would be the best bet to start off, my multiplex dart will slope in 3mph wind and 20mph with no ballest, and it will do most aerobatics.. its a clean design. i just flew my 1/4 discus yesterday, man now that;s flyin. come down to az next vaction and we will slope. what about mt holly? from what i remember that;s a good hill. also there is that landfill hill on m-21 heading to flint, that would slope a hlg, no problem.
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Old Jun 12, 2001, 03:24 AM
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Hey Superbike
I remember trying to climb the Sleeping Bear Dunes many years ago and was amazed how darned difficult it was due to the depth of the sand.

And you want to go up there with a model ?

Try sloping off the top of the Renaissance Center. At least they have elevators.
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Old Jun 12, 2001, 03:32 PM
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When you are from Michigan the dunes are not hard to climb, we have webbed feet after all.
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Old Jun 13, 2001, 06:26 AM
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Oh THAT explains why the rental car guy at Metro Airport asked me if I could drive a car with a manual transmission ?

He wasn't interested in my driving prowess, but that I might be a Michigander and my webbed feet wouldn't be able to operate 3 pedals ?

I see, I see !
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Old Jun 13, 2001, 02:09 PM
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HA! Sounds like someone enjoyed that comment!

Actually Sleeping Bear Dunes are very large. The wind blows off the lake from the West and the whole shoreline is a dune line on the west side of the state. All of them are very steep on the lake side, but the inland side is not at all so it's not a hard walk.

Jim Petro (I think it was him) mentioned Sleeping bear Dunes one time as one of the ultimate slope soaring locations so they are good. South of where I live(Holland) in Saugatuck there is Mt. Baldy. It's not a realy mountain, just a huge sand dune and a awesome site to fly if you get the chance.
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Old Jun 15, 2001, 04:15 AM
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Yeah, I did enjoy the comment

As an obvious expert in the strange ways of Michigan - and particularly regarding your comments on webbed feet - I did want to ask you if :

A. That's the REAL reason why men from Michigan are called Michi-Ganders, and if

B. The women of Michigan are called Michi - Geese ? (My guide book is not clear on this).
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Old Jun 23, 2001, 09:38 AM
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I guess i forgot to click email notification!
Holland area has some cliffs over the lake? how are they? I have been there once, but I dont remember where it was exactly.

Wiley, I will check out that plane. Are you moving up? I dont think you can get in the land fill. Mt. Holly? maybe! It is pretty steep on the west side better bring a foamie!

I read about kieth Shaw sloaping at sleeping bear, I wonder how good it is? I will have to get somthing together.
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Old Oct 01, 2001, 11:41 PM
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mike, took a look at mt holly

and it looks like a excellent place to fly, lets see if we can go before snow.
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Old Oct 19, 2002, 05:59 AM
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Hey Guys
I can't believe that a search on these forms only comes up with 3 hits for sleeping bear! As far as the dunes go the sign at the top by observation platform says its 550 ft down to the shorline. We (6 of us) went there the same weekend as the Detroit waterfly it was awsome, flew Dymond's Raven, Crazy, Take it Easy, 5 different Zagi 400's, and several other sailplanes.
The first day we were there the wind was South to SW and very light had to cheat on several occations and actually power up a couple of times. The second day was perfect no power used it is strange to be able to spec your plane out below you and still climb right back up. The lift was so good even out as far a you could see your plane the lift was there.
Just can't wait to get back there, as the slopes on this side of the lake are not as common and only about 80 to 90 ft and you need a east wind.
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Old Oct 19, 2002, 06:53 AM
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mt_100,

If you are still following this thread. I took a drive down to Mt Baldy last year about this time after this thread first started and did not find what I thought was a good place to fly. I walked all the way up the steps at Mt Baldy (carrying my 2 year old son!)and found it all covered with trees. So I must have been at the wrong place. Can you give my driving directions from US31?

I forgot about the site until this thread popped back up.

Thanks, Joe
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Old Oct 19, 2002, 09:25 AM
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I still have not made it either. There will be a trip up north soon. Or uh well, spring! ---Mike
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Old Oct 21, 2002, 07:10 AM
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hey superbike,i know this is off topic because you said that you were looking for a slope plane but if i was you i would fly a thermal ship,maybe a 2 metre or something thats a little slower than your average sloper.

i live in ontario canada and in the fall we fly the slopes of lake huron and i can tell you that is great in the fall,there are water spouts from the warm water in the cold fall air that will take you way beyond the height of the ridge lift,i have flown my hangglider a grand over a 60 ft bluff!

watch the weather reports and wait for a cold front,go flying and you will be amazed!,one of the advantages of living in the north is the great variations in tempeture fledge
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Old Oct 21, 2002, 11:51 AM
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WOW, been awhile since I have seen this thread.

There are a few places that have been flown on Baldy, one of them was used in S & E Modeller a few years ago. To be honest, it's a hike from the top of the stairs, all 1500 of them.

I would honestly have to go scout to find the spot.


A few locations....

1. Castle Park on south side of Holland, about a 70' dune with smooth face.

2. Tunnel Park on north side of holland, same size really, but a better site. This is a county park and they will only let you fly in off season, summer is busy from sunrise to sunset.

3. Ludington near the Au Sable river and state park. Several dunes on the east side of the road, a long sandy hike however. Also a few in the park itself, VERY long hike.

4. Sleeping Bear. Best in Michigan that I have seen, I bet there is better in the UP in the Porqupine Mountains though.
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