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Old Feb 16, 2003, 06:52 AM
Carl Farrington
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using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX

I'm hopefully going to be having a GV1 soon, but I think I might run into
problems setting it up with my 7-channel JR X-378.

I've read the GV1 manual, and it talks of using a switch for changing
between speeds. I don't want to do this, I want the speed to be set when I
select a flight mode (N, I1, I2)

Any tips on how to achieve this? GV-1 specs say minimum of 8 channel, and
they imply that headspeed won't be switchable without a spare channel.

thanks,

Carl


Old Feb 16, 2003, 09:32 AM
Siam Heli
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Re: using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX

I don't know the JR X-378. But you got 7 channels - so there is one to
spare, right? If you can map this one to your flight mode switch you should
be fine.
GV on-off = stick mode (setup on GV-1), leaves you with just one channel for
the different speeds.

Martin



"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
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> I'm hopefully going to be having a GV1 soon, but I think I might run into
> problems setting it up with my 7-channel JR X-378.
>
> I've read the GV1 manual, and it talks of using a switch for changing
> between speeds. I don't want to do this, I want the speed to be set when I
> select a flight mode (N, I1, I2)
>
> Any tips on how to achieve this? GV-1 specs say minimum of 8 channel, and
> they imply that headspeed won't be switchable without a spare channel.
>
> thanks,
>
> Carl
>
>



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Old Feb 16, 2003, 05:45 PM
ArnS
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Re: using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message news:<b2nv8d$emu$1$830fa7b3@news.demon.co.uk>...
> I'm hopefully going to be having a GV1 soon, but I think I might run into
> problems setting it up with my 7-channel JR X-378.
>
> I've read the GV1 manual, and it talks of using a switch for changing
> between speeds. I don't want to do this, I want the speed to be set when I
> select a flight mode (N, I1, I2)
>
> Any tips on how to achieve this? GV-1 specs say minimum of 8 channel, and
> they imply that headspeed won't be switchable without a spare channel.
>
> thanks,
>
> Carl


You can follow the example in the manual where you set N to below
minimun RPM which effectivley turns the GV-1 off. Set I1 to 1550 or
whatever and I2 for something higher. I have a Futaba F8 and this
works very well.
Good luck.
Arn
Old Feb 17, 2003, 06:02 PM
crouisk
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Re: using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX

aschmid3@tampabay.rr.com (ArnS) wrote in message news:<e72c3cba.0302161132.7b5be597@posting.google. com>...
> "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message news:<b2nv8d$emu$1$830fa7b3@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > I'm hopefully going to be having a GV1 soon, but I think I might run into
> > problems setting it up with my 7-channel JR X-378.
> >
> > I've read the GV1 manual, and it talks of using a switch for changing
> > between speeds. I don't want to do this, I want the speed to be set when I
> > select a flight mode (N, I1, I2)
> >
> > Any tips on how to achieve this? GV-1 specs say minimum of 8 channel, and
> > they imply that headspeed won't be switchable without a spare channel.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Carl

>
> You can follow the example in the manual where you set N to below
> minimun RPM which effectivley turns the GV-1 off. Set I1 to 1550 or
> whatever and I2 for something higher. I have a Futaba F8 and this
> works very well.
> Good luck.
> Arn


Any chance I can setup the GV-1 on a "lowly" Futaba FF6 or am I going
to have to buy a decent Tx. I was hoping setting up a GV-1 would mean
I would not have to upgrade to a set with pitch curves etc.

Scott.
Old Feb 17, 2003, 07:22 PM
Carl Farrington
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Re: using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX

"crouisk" <scottwil5on@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1f42ecb0.0302171542.3c2911d7@posting.google.c om...
> Any chance I can setup the GV-1 on a "lowly" Futaba FF6 or am I going
> to have to buy a decent Tx. I was hoping setting up a GV-1 would mean
> I would not have to upgrade to a set with pitch curves etc.
>
> Scott.


You'll be able to us he governor with your set, but you wont be able to
change speeds in flight - it'll only have 1 speed (rpm) setting. You would
have to use the Throttle-stick switching, whereby the GV1 turns itself on
when you bring the throttle stick up to 17% (and the engine is at 70% of the
desired rpm already)

This, however, has absolutely nothing to do with pitch curves. It would
allow you to disregard throttle curve settings (dangerous though!, if the GV
fails), but pitch curves are a totally different thing all together

Carl


Old Feb 18, 2003, 07:12 AM
crouisk
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Re: using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message news:<b2rvud$a7k$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>...
> "crouisk" <scottwil5on@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1f42ecb0.0302171542.3c2911d7@posting.google.c om...
> > Any chance I can setup the GV-1 on a "lowly" Futaba FF6 or am I going
> > to have to buy a decent Tx. I was hoping setting up a GV-1 would mean
> > I would not have to upgrade to a set with pitch curves etc.
> >
> > Scott.

>
> You'll be able to us he governor with your set, but you wont be able to
> change speeds in flight - it'll only have 1 speed (rpm) setting. You would
> have to use the Throttle-stick switching, whereby the GV1 turns itself on
> when you bring the throttle stick up to 17% (and the engine is at 70% of the
> desired rpm already)
>
> This, however, has absolutely nothing to do with pitch curves. It would
> allow you to disregard throttle curve settings (dangerous though!, if the GV
> fails), but pitch curves are a totally different thing all together
>
> Carl



OK , thanks. Would it be a worthwhile thing to do given the
limitations of the Tx ?
Now I'm only a few months into this game but I was under the
(mis?)impression that pitch curves were pitch vs throttle , using a
GV-1 significantly reduces throttle variations so I could run the FF6
with Normal and Idle1 giving me two pitch ranges. I figured this was
a good enough step forward to reduce the need for me to get a better
Tx.
Old Feb 18, 2003, 09:32 AM
Steve Simpson
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Re: using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX


> OK , thanks. Would it be a worthwhile thing to do given the
> limitations of the Tx ?


While you may eventually want to upgrade to a better TX for whatever reason,
adding a GV-1 governor does not require it.

Zero extra channels are needed to add a GV-1.

Changing head speed in flight would require an additional channel . . . but
changing head speed in flight is not required (nor beneficial, in my
opinion).

> Now I'm only a few months into this game but I was under the
> (mis?)impression that pitch curves were pitch vs throttle


Pitch curves set the maximum pitch of the rotor blades and the linearity
with which pitch-changes follow stick movement.

Throttle curves are for the purpose of attempting to create a synthetic
governor by matching throttle to load . . . . but a real governor eliminates
that need.

There are those who claim to have refined the 'art' of throttle curve
setting to the point of perfection . . . . but only through the proper
'special knowledge' attained from years of experience together with
'secret' linkage theory.

This delusion relies on physics being alterable by a model helicopter . . .
.. and that is pretty unlikely. The load imposed by 5 degrees of pitch, for
example, is not always the same and there is no mechanism by which a static
curve can compensate for this.

The throttle curve specifies 'x' throttle for that pitch amount regardless
of whether the heli is in a lazy hover or reversing momentum in a aerobatics
maneuver. Some amount of compensation is available though multiple flight
modes (i.e. multiple curves), but the curve is still static and has no
ability to sense current load as does a real governor.

> GV-1 significantly reduces throttle variations so I could run the FF6
> with Normal and Idle1 giving me two pitch ranges. I figured this was
> a good enough step forward to reduce the need for me to get a better


Adding a GV-1 is a great move! Most users look back on it as their best
addition (short of a HH gyro). There were two things that made heli set-up a
pain in the butt. Revo mixing and Throttle curves. Revo mixing went away
with modern gyros and Throttle curves went away with governors.

Avoid both only if you enjoy screwing around with your heli set-up for two
hours for every 10 minutes of flight time. Not to mention enduring endless
debates about the 'best' way to set-up your curves . . . and then trying to
decide which of the diametrically opposed opinions is correct.

Governors are not likely to suddenly disappear from the earth so there is no
need to fear 'relying' on them. The now antiquated skill of throttle curve
setting is simply no longer needed . . . much to the chagrin of the
'experts' at same.

On the other hand, a reason you might want more than one pitch curve is to
have more positive collective for autorotations.

You might benefit from a 'learning' curve (no pun intended) with less
negative pitch so that you will be less likely to slam the heli down in an
instant of over-control brought on by the Natural Newbie Thumb Reflex to
having your underwear suddenly sucked up your butt when the heli
unexpectedly blooms up from a wind gust.

Personally, I do not subscribe to that method. I think that it is better to
set the pitch curve to the maximum the heli can tolerate and use a simulator
to learn to resist NNTR rather than impose a mechanically enforced limit.

Setting up multiple 'special use' curves only creates a habit that you must
then un-learn at some future point. Different flight modes with their
various head speeds, throttle curves, pitch limits, etc. are really a hold
over from the pre-governor, pre-simulator days when such things were
actually beneficial . . . . and perhaps even necessary.

There have always been various arguments against governors and simulators
and single flight modes and so forth, but then again there are still
arguments against the automobile . . . . after all, horses worked fine for
thousands of years . . . .:-)






Old Feb 18, 2003, 02:12 PM
Beav
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Re: using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX


"Steve Simpson" <simpsons34@NIXcox.net> wrote in message
news:bgs4a.63733$QU2.1761736@news2.west.cox.net...
>
> > OK , thanks. Would it be a worthwhile thing to do given the
> > limitations of the Tx ?

>
> While you may eventually want to upgrade to a better TX for whatever

reason,
> adding a GV-1 governor does not require it.
>
> Zero extra channels are needed to add a GV-1.
>
> Changing head speed in flight would require an additional channel . . .

but
> changing head speed in flight is not required (nor beneficial, in my
> opinion).
>
> > Now I'm only a few months into this game but I was under the
> > (mis?)impression that pitch curves were pitch vs throttle

>
> Pitch curves set the maximum pitch of the rotor blades and the linearity
> with which pitch-changes follow stick movement.
>
> Throttle curves are for the purpose of attempting to create a synthetic
> governor by matching throttle to load . . . . but a real governor

eliminates
> that need.
>
> There are those who claim to have refined the 'art' of throttle curve
> setting to the point of perfection . . . . but only through the proper
> 'special knowledge' attained from years of experience together with
> 'secret' linkage theory.


Steve, as a long time "secret linkager" I thought I could "build" a good
relationship between throttle and collective, and so I can, but it's nowhere
near what a gov can do. As an experiment I tach'd my Futura on the pitch
cirves and we saw a rev variation of 150rpm during a single flight. With the
gov switched on (A robbe CSC 2200 not the GV-1) I had a variation of TEN
revs for a similar flight. That's not easy to better.

>
> This delusion relies on physics being alterable by a model helicopter . .

..
> . and that is pretty unlikely. The load imposed by 5 degrees of pitch,

for
> example, is not always the same and there is no mechanism by which a

static
> curve can compensate for this.
>
> The throttle curve specifies 'x' throttle for that pitch amount regardless
> of whether the heli is in a lazy hover or reversing momentum in a

aerobatics
> maneuver. Some amount of compensation is available though multiple flight
> modes (i.e. multiple curves), but the curve is still static and has no
> ability to sense current load as does a real governor.
>
> > GV-1 significantly reduces throttle variations so I could run the FF6
> > with Normal and Idle1 giving me two pitch ranges. I figured this was
> > a good enough step forward to reduce the need for me to get a better

>
> Adding a GV-1 is a great move! Most users look back on it as their best
> addition (short of a HH gyro). There were two things that made heli set-up

a
> pain in the butt. Revo mixing and Throttle curves. Revo mixing went away
> with modern gyros and Throttle curves went away with governors.
>
> Avoid both only if you enjoy screwing around with your heli set-up for two
> hours for every 10 minutes of flight time. Not to mention enduring endless
> debates about the 'best' way to set-up your curves . . . and then trying

to
> decide which of the diametrically opposed opinions is correct.
>
> Governors are not likely to suddenly disappear from the earth so there is

no
> need to fear 'relying' on them. The now antiquated skill of throttle curve
> setting is simply no longer needed . . . much to the chagrin of the
> 'experts' at same.


I don't know a single modeller who's pissed off at the benefits a gov
brings.

>
> On the other hand, a reason you might want more than one pitch curve is to
> have more positive collective for autorotations.
>
> You might benefit from a 'learning' curve (no pun intended) with less
> negative pitch so that you will be less likely to slam the heli down in an
> instant of over-control brought on by the Natural Newbie Thumb Reflex to
> having your underwear suddenly sucked up your butt when the heli
> unexpectedly blooms up from a wind gust.
>
> Personally, I do not subscribe to that method. I think that it is better

to
> set the pitch curve to the maximum the heli can tolerate and use a

simulator
> to learn to resist NNTR rather than impose a mechanically enforced limit.


Well that's a "horses for courses" opinion but it relies heavily (wholly) on
the FNG having a sim. Not all do and not all will buy one as some feel that
the 200 "whatevers" are better spent on a better radio/gyro/governor/woman.
The top flyers in FAI don't use a full 20 degree pitch curve when they fly
the hovering manoeuvres in comps either, because they find it more
comfortable to "restrict" the collective throw for this mode of flight.


>
> Setting up multiple 'special use' curves only creates a habit that you

must
> then un-learn at some future point. Different flight modes with their
> various head speeds, throttle curves, pitch limits, etc. are really a hold
> over from the pre-governor, pre-simulator days when such things were
> actually beneficial . . . . and perhaps even necessary.


For the majority of flyers, they're still as much a necessity as they ever
were too. Not everyone wants to fly 3D and that's where the plus/minus
everything comes into it's own. Making the throttle stick as sensitive as it
NEEDS to be for 3D flying all the time doesn't help. But that's just my
opinion.

>
> There have always been various arguments against governors and simulators
> and single flight modes and so forth, but then again there are still
> arguments against the automobile . . . . after all, horses worked fine

for
> thousands of years . . . .:-)


And cars are still having a hard time jumping fences and fording rivers :-)

There's more cars been pulled out of the shit by horses than there's been
horses pulled out of the shit by cars:-)


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk


Old Feb 18, 2003, 04:52 PM
crouisk
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Re: using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX

"Steve Simpson" <simpsons34@NIXcox.net> wrote in message news:<bgs4a.63733$QU2.1761736@news2.west.cox.net>. ..
> > OK , thanks. Would it be a worthwhile thing to do given the
> > limitations of the Tx ?

>
> While you may eventually want to upgrade to a better TX for whatever reason,
> adding a GV-1 governor does not require it.
>
> Zero extra channels are needed to add a GV-1.
>
> Changing head speed in flight would require an additional channel . . . but
> changing head speed in flight is not required (nor beneficial, in my
> opinion).
>
> > Now I'm only a few months into this game but I was under the
> > (mis?)impression that pitch curves were pitch vs throttle

>
> Pitch curves set the maximum pitch of the rotor blades and the linearity
> with which pitch-changes follow stick movement.
>
> Throttle curves are for the purpose of attempting to create a synthetic
> governor by matching throttle to load . . . . but a real governor eliminates
> that need.
>
> There are those who claim to have refined the 'art' of throttle curve
> setting to the point of perfection . . . . but only through the proper
> 'special knowledge' attained from years of experience together with
> 'secret' linkage theory.
>
> This delusion relies on physics being alterable by a model helicopter . . .
> . and that is pretty unlikely. The load imposed by 5 degrees of pitch, for
> example, is not always the same and there is no mechanism by which a static
> curve can compensate for this.
>
> The throttle curve specifies 'x' throttle for that pitch amount regardless
> of whether the heli is in a lazy hover or reversing momentum in a aerobatics
> maneuver. Some amount of compensation is available though multiple flight
> modes (i.e. multiple curves), but the curve is still static and has no
> ability to sense current load as does a real governor.
>
> > GV-1 significantly reduces throttle variations so I could run the FF6
> > with Normal and Idle1 giving me two pitch ranges. I figured this was
> > a good enough step forward to reduce the need for me to get a better

>
> Adding a GV-1 is a great move! Most users look back on it as their best
> addition (short of a HH gyro). There were two things that made heli set-up a
> pain in the butt. Revo mixing and Throttle curves. Revo mixing went away
> with modern gyros and Throttle curves went away with governors.
>
> Avoid both only if you enjoy screwing around with your heli set-up for two
> hours for every 10 minutes of flight time. Not to mention enduring endless
> debates about the 'best' way to set-up your curves . . . and then trying to
> decide which of the diametrically opposed opinions is correct.
>
> Governors are not likely to suddenly disappear from the earth so there is no
> need to fear 'relying' on them. The now antiquated skill of throttle curve
> setting is simply no longer needed . . . much to the chagrin of the
> 'experts' at same.
>
> On the other hand, a reason you might want more than one pitch curve is to
> have more positive collective for autorotations.
>
> You might benefit from a 'learning' curve (no pun intended) with less
> negative pitch so that you will be less likely to slam the heli down in an
> instant of over-control brought on by the Natural Newbie Thumb Reflex to
> having your underwear suddenly sucked up your butt when the heli
> unexpectedly blooms up from a wind gust.
>
> Personally, I do not subscribe to that method. I think that it is better to
> set the pitch curve to the maximum the heli can tolerate and use a simulator
> to learn to resist NNTR rather than impose a mechanically enforced limit.
>
> Setting up multiple 'special use' curves only creates a habit that you must
> then un-learn at some future point. Different flight modes with their
> various head speeds, throttle curves, pitch limits, etc. are really a hold
> over from the pre-governor, pre-simulator days when such things were
> actually beneficial . . . . and perhaps even necessary.
>
> There have always been various arguments against governors and simulators
> and single flight modes and so forth, but then again there are still
> arguments against the automobile . . . . after all, horses worked fine for
> thousands of years . . . .:-)


Thanks for that. From what you say I don't see me needing to shell
out 1K for a F9Z type Tx or anything for that matter.

What could really justify it other than .....what ? Anyone ?

The simplicity of your approach appeals. The less 'magic' and 'darks
arts' the better.

So is this the way to go now that I can hover and have started basic
circuits : throttle -> GV-1 single speed.
Maximum mechanical pitch range
Different max and mins for Normal (-2 0 7) , Idle 1 (-9 0 9) and
Throttle Hold (-2 0 12).
Centre on 0 pitch and learn to hover at 3/4 stick.

Or what would be the best settings to cover most options with minimum
fuss ?

Scott.
Scott.
Old Feb 19, 2003, 08:42 AM
Steve Simpson
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Re: using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX


> The simplicity of your approach appeals. The less 'magic' and 'darks
> arts' the better.
>
> So is this the way to go now that I can hover and have started basic
> circuits : throttle -> GV-1 single speed.
> Maximum mechanical pitch range
> Different max and mins for Normal (-2 0 7) , Idle 1 (-9 0 9) and
> Throttle Hold (-2 0 12).
> Centre on 0 pitch and learn to hover at 3/4 stick.
>


Presuming that like most pilots, you intend to eventualy progress to
aerobatics, I'd say you have a winner.

I learned to hover with the then recommended 'hover' setup and after all
the time I had spent getting comfortable with 1/2 stick over, I had to
un-learn that and re-learn 3/4 stick hovering . . . . not the most
efficient approach and one that can plant a heli when you stop a fast decent
with only half stick . . . only to find out that now you need 3/4 . . .
hopefully in time to keep the bird out of the dirt.

Once you become a good pilot, the 'normal' mode will be of no use . . . .
except to startle you when you do that first roll of your flight and only
then realise you are in the wrong fligt mode . . . . as the heli rolls on
it's back and tried to maintain altitude with only 2 degrees of collective .
.. .

Another disadvantage is that on a windy day, -2 may not be enough negative
to get the bird down without literally pushing the nose over and flying it
down . . this creates an abrupt 'mood' change in the heli which can be
unnerving for a newbie.

If you feel safer at first with a 'normal' mode, you can still work your way
out of it by adding a degree at a time to the negative as you become more
confident in your ability to not panic slam the stick.

In any event, most of this stuff just boils down to personal preference.
Collect as many opinions as you can and then do what seems best to you.

BTW, the ultra adjustibility and ultra mixability of the ultra-fancy (and
ultra expensive) Tx's are far less usefull in these days of superb on-board
electronics (gyros, governors, etc) . . . . I wouldn't waste the money on
top-of-the-line Tx because with a good grro and governor, you simply have no
use for the miriad of fine adjustments and mixes available.

That said, I would strongly suggest you get a Tx/Rx set that utilizes PCM.
Arguments against PCM are without merit. Unfortunately, some of the worst
advice still being handed out is that FM is somehow 'better' because it will
'warn' you of problems so that you can then land and fix them. This bit of
stupidity ignores the fact that more often than not, the heli will save you
that trouble by 'landing' itself without your help . . . . particularly if
the 'warning' comes in the form of full left aileron when the heli is 2 feet
off the ground.


Old Feb 20, 2003, 02:22 PM
crouisk
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Re: using GV1 with 7-ch JR-X378 TX

"Steve Simpson" <simpsons34@NIXcox.net> wrote in message news:<MzM4a.2672$ub.328490@news2.west.cox.net>...
> > The simplicity of your approach appeals. The less 'magic' and 'darks
> > arts' the better.
> >
> > So is this the way to go now that I can hover and have started basic
> > circuits : throttle -> GV-1 single speed.
> > Maximum mechanical pitch range
> > Different max and mins for Normal (-2 0 7) , Idle 1 (-9 0 9) and
> > Throttle Hold (-2 0 12).
> > Centre on 0 pitch and learn to hover at 3/4 stick.
> >

>
> Presuming that like most pilots, you intend to eventualy progress to
> aerobatics, I'd say you have a winner.
>
> I learned to hover with the then recommended 'hover' setup and after all
> the time I had spent getting comfortable with 1/2 stick over, I had to
> un-learn that and re-learn 3/4 stick hovering . . . . not the most
> efficient approach and one that can plant a heli when you stop a fast decent
> with only half stick . . . only to find out that now you need 3/4 . . .
> hopefully in time to keep the bird out of the dirt.
>
> Once you become a good pilot, the 'normal' mode will be of no use . . . .
> except to startle you when you do that first roll of your flight and only
> then realise you are in the wrong fligt mode . . . . as the heli rolls on
> it's back and tried to maintain altitude with only 2 degrees of collective .
> . .
>
> Another disadvantage is that on a windy day, -2 may not be enough negative
> to get the bird down without literally pushing the nose over and flying it
> down . . this creates an abrupt 'mood' change in the heli which can be
> unnerving for a newbie.
>
> If you feel safer at first with a 'normal' mode, you can still work your way
> out of it by adding a degree at a time to the negative as you become more
> confident in your ability to not panic slam the stick.
>
> In any event, most of this stuff just boils down to personal preference.
> Collect as many opinions as you can and then do what seems best to you.
>
> BTW, the ultra adjustibility and ultra mixability of the ultra-fancy (and
> ultra expensive) Tx's are far less usefull in these days of superb on-board
> electronics (gyros, governors, etc) . . . . I wouldn't waste the money on
> top-of-the-line Tx because with a good grro and governor, you simply have no
> use for the miriad of fine adjustments and mixes available.
>
> That said, I would strongly suggest you get a Tx/Rx set that utilizes PCM.
> Arguments against PCM are without merit. Unfortunately, some of the worst
> advice still being handed out is that FM is somehow 'better' because it will
> 'warn' you of problems so that you can then land and fix them. This bit of
> stupidity ignores the fact that more often than not, the heli will save you
> that trouble by 'landing' itself without your help . . . . particularly if
> the 'warning' comes in the form of full left aileron when the heli is 2 feet
> off the ground.


I've read through a few of the threads for PCM vs PPM so I won't go
there. Needless to say upgrading my radio gear in 50-80 chunks
(servo's,Rx,gv-1) is a much more appealing option than ditching my Tx.
Thanks for the advice. :-)
 


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