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Old May 04, 2012, 02:53 AM
It only takes one good idea
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Dag - I think he is right.
FWIW I built a twin CAP 232 from 1.5 Stevens Aero kits. It looks like an F-82. I had one receiver in one fuse and extensions running all over. The rudder and elevator servos are in the tail. At SEFF I got the idea (on my own) to buy a second receiver and put it in the other fuse. That night I rewired it at the hotel. The next day early in the morning and though it was windy I maidened it. Works great. To assemble I just have to hook up the ailerons.
You were at SEFF?????? My god man...... did we meet?

Thanks, DAG
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Old May 04, 2012, 03:03 AM
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These are going to be on TX2 in the fuse.

DAG is playing with the option of each wing panel being 100% self contained and thus only requiring mechanical fastening when assembling the plane, no systems interconnect. This would mean 2-3 receivers in each wing panel and a corresponding power distribution and redundancy design.

- Birger
Spot on right.

I will end up with something like this if I make the wings self contained:

TX#1:

RX#1-Fuse Systems A
Left Elevator
Rudder-A
Landing Gear System
Flaps #3
Motor#3

RX#2-Fuse Systems B
Right Elevator
Rudder-B
Nose Steering
Flaps #4
Motor#4

RX#3-Left Wing Systems A
Motor #1
Motor #2
Flap #1
Flap #2
Aileron-Left

RX#4-Right Wing Systems A
Motor #5
Motor #6
Flap #5
Flap #6
Aileron-Right

TX#2
RX#5-Fuse
Bomb Bay #1 Doors
Bomb Bay #2 Doors
Fake Bomb Release
Lights

RX#6-Left Wing
Jets #1&#2

RX#7-Right Wing
Jets #3&#4


Wow, she just keeps getting more expensive????????

DAG
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Old May 04, 2012, 03:05 AM
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hey dag where can i get that chair
LOL, that is great!!!!!

Menard's, Lowes, Home Depots have them.

I was beat after a 13 hour drive..........

LOL,

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Old May 04, 2012, 04:47 AM
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You were at SEFF?????? My god man...... did we meet?

Thanks, DAG
It was not this SEFF. I think it was '08 or so.
In that chair picture - being tired must make you small too.
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Old May 04, 2012, 05:15 AM
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Spot on right.

I will end up with something like this if I make the wings self contained:

TX#1:

RX#1-Fuse Systems A
Left Elevator
Rudder-A
Landing Gear System
Flaps #3
Motor#3

RX#2-Fuse Systems B
Right Elevator
Rudder-B
Nose Steering
Flaps #4
Motor#4

RX#3-Left Wing Systems A
Motor #1
Motor #2
Flap #1
Flap #2
Aileron-Left

RX#4-Right Wing Systems A
Motor #5
Motor #6
Flap #5
Flap #6
Aileron-Right

TX#2
RX#5-Fuse
Bomb Bay #1 Doors
Bomb Bay #2 Doors
Fake Bomb Release
Lights

RX#6-Left Wing
Jets #1

RX#7-Right Wing
Jets #3


Wow, she just keeps getting more expensive????????

DAG
Damon,

On my tiny DC-6 I have an Rx on the Wing as well as in the fuselage. I think this is an ecellent idea.

Cheers Alexander
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Old May 04, 2012, 06:40 AM
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I was reading the Emmaselle build thread, this should make you chuckle. Ah just blame it on inflation:
THAT! Was a long time ago in a place far far away.............

LOL,

DAG
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Old May 04, 2012, 06:43 AM
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Damon,

On my tiny DC-6 I have an Rx on the Wing as well as in the fuselage. I think this is an ecellent idea.

Cheers Alexander
Thanks!!!

Even though it will make it much more complex on the design and build side, it will make it much easier and more simple at the set-up when going to fly it. It also gives me less things to go wrong with the set up at the field.

Rock ON!

Damon
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Old May 04, 2012, 06:52 AM
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My Next Challenge!!!

1 radio or 2?

I am at the point where I have to decided on this............

I know I will be taking the B-36 out and flying a lot, if I have 2 radio's thats means always briefing someone as FO (first officer/co pilot). I wonder how much stress it will put on me with my FO standing next to me and me wondering if he/she is going to want to look at me fly, more than looking at the radio so he/she can flip the right bomb bay door switch when needed? Or flip the right switch when I need my MK17 nuke dropped (fake MK17 as a 1/11th scale would take out about 13 miles).

If I keep it all in 1 radio then my work load goes up when I need to be throttling my jets up or down, as they are only used for take off, and go-arounds.

There is a part of me that wants to use only 1 radio as it will save on an entire set of TX#2 RX's and batteries.



DAG
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Old May 04, 2012, 07:02 AM
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I think you need a flight engineer, not a copilot. The copilot looks outside to back up the pilot while the flight engineer keeps his eye on the engine instruments and ignition analyzer on planes with R4360 engines. On the C97 and C124, the flight engineer can't even see outside.
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Old May 04, 2012, 07:15 AM
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Can you set the jets to come on only at full throttle? That would make one less thing to worry about.
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Old May 04, 2012, 07:26 AM
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Can you set the jets to come on only at full throttle? That would make one less thing to worry about.
The plane is a bit over powered, I doubt I really ever use 100% power. I also want to do scale take off's. Line up, props to about 50%, jets up to full, release the brakes, then add a bit more prop power as needed, then take off, once gear is up jets back to idle, then props back to cruise.... That's why I want a second person on the jets.

DAG
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Old May 04, 2012, 08:24 AM
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The plane is a bit over powered, I doubt I really ever use 100% power. I also want to do scale take off's. Line up, props to about 50%, jets up to full, release the brakes, then add a bit more prop power as needed, then take off, once gear is up jets back to idle, then props back to cruise.... That's why I want a second person on the jets.

DAG
For what it's worth:

I'm sure that we can come up with some very fancy programming that will give you the ability to have some interesting mixed throttle profiles between props and jets based on a condition switch and a throttle position. That being said, I would personally vote for having the jets and all other non-flight controls on a separate TX as this will ultimately simplify the actual flying of the plane and lend to less stress and potential mistakes on your part.

I understand the negatives of having two TXs and a wing-man that is not 100% familiar with what is going on at a given event but at the end of the day, if the throttles don't come on at the right time for take off or if the bombs don't get dropped at the right time will ultimately not have an effect on the survivability of the model.

One thing that you could implement in case you have concerns is a global kill switch on TX1 that cuts power to all RX2's and thus sets all the Jet engines to OFF.

Just my two cents.

- Birger
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Old May 04, 2012, 08:26 AM
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The plane is a bit over powered, I doubt I really ever use 100% power. I also want to do scale take off's. Line up, props to about 50%, jets up to full, release the brakes, then add a bit more prop power as needed, then take off, once gear is up jets back to idle, then props back to cruise.... That's why I want a second person on the jets.

DAG
If you are using a TX with sliders on the back (JR 11X, for instance) the pods could be controlled via those, unless you were planing on using those for flaps of course... I am sure there is a workable solution with using 1 TX...
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Old May 04, 2012, 09:02 AM
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Dag,

That pilot has such a deadpan expression, he is more stoic than I am. He looks like he is having no fun at all. You need to paint him so he has that "going into a loop" expression on his face:

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Old May 04, 2012, 10:39 AM
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Might need some sunscreen for his dome too.
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