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Old Nov 12, 2008, 11:24 PM
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Very nice Ed !!!

Thanks for shareing it with us !!!

Seeya, Tim

Thanks Tim!
Hey I'll give you a tip!
If you want to invest insomething that pays off nicely, give aviation art a try!
One of the pictures you see here just went up nicely in value and I sold an extra copy I had stored away

I bought it 3 years ago for 400 dollars, I sold it this week for substantially more than this.
Keeps me in balsa and glue! LOL!


Ed

As the stock market declines , good aviation art continues to go up in value!!!
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Old Nov 12, 2008, 11:34 PM
Balsa for me, thanks.
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More fuse pics. Been working a bunch and not much more done, just a few bulkheads. Will try to get more cut out tonight.

DAG

That is so cool! I love the look of a built-up wood structure, no matter what it is. I'm curious, how are you planning to cover/skin this thing?

~Jake
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Old Nov 13, 2008, 04:05 AM
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That is so cool! I love the look of a built-up wood structure, no matter what it is. I'm curious, how are you planning to cover/skin this thing?

~Jake
Jake,
I plan on just using ultracote, and then maybe a very light coat of paint, but in the back of my mind I keep thinking of a C-130 I made about 15 years ago, it had a 100" wing but was powered with 4 .09 glow engines. I covered the plane in dope and tissue and the put a light coat of paint on, was not real durable, but was very light. The whole plane weighed about 4.5 pounds with a 100” wing. It flew really great until I only put fuel in the left wing. Just couldn’t get it back to the field on 2 engines. I Stalled spin it into the ground. Bad flying on my part should have just landed it off the field.

DAG
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Old Nov 13, 2008, 06:17 AM
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Wow, I could not imagine doing a 100" wing in tissue! Maybe silk.

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Old Nov 13, 2008, 08:16 AM
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Jake,
I plan on just using ultracote, and then maybe a very light coat of paint, but in DAG
At least consider something like Koverall...it'll be a heck of a lot more durable and look a ton better than Ultracote. It's fabric, but the weave fills nicely with a few coats of dope (or water-based poly, I've heard), then you can paint it with latex house paint in the exact colors you want.

Of course I'm biased 'cause I like Koverall alot. But on a project of this magnitude...I just can't imagine using a film covering. Of course, it's your baby so whatever works best for you

Gorgeous, by the way! I do a lot of CAD work for my models, too, but this is a whole other level!

Chris
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Old Nov 13, 2008, 08:34 AM
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At least consider something like Koverall...it'll be a heck of a lot more durable and look a ton better than Ultracote. It's fabric, but the weave fills nicely with a few coats of dope (or water-based poly, I've heard), then you can paint it with latex house paint in the exact colors you want.

Of course I'm biased 'cause I like Koverall alot. But on a project of this magnitude...I just can't imagine using a film covering. Of course, it's your baby so whatever works best for you

Gorgeous, by the way! I do a lot of CAD work for my models, too, but this is a whole other level!

Chris
Chris,
I to love Koverall, but it gets heavy when painted, I have a couple of planes that I covered in crome monokote, then I scratched it up to look like bare metal showing thru the paint, it looked really good. To keep this beast under 55 pounds I would be scared of the weight gain filling in the weave. I guess I could take a 1 square' section of 1/8 balse sheet and cover it with film, then weigh it, then take and Koverall it and see what the differance is. Just watching the weight is 110% my first concern, then it looking good, not great, but good, I am sorry to say it like that, but this will not ever be a Top gun project, just a huge cow of a B-36D that will fly great.

The CAD is just lots of hours of finding out what does not work first.

Thanks, DAG
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Old Nov 13, 2008, 08:58 AM
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At least consider something like Koverall...it'll be a heck of a lot more durable and look a ton better than Ultracote. It's fabric, but the weave fills nicely with a few coats of dope (or water-based poly, I've heard), then you can paint it with latex house paint in the exact colors you want.

Of course I'm biased 'cause I like Koverall alot. But on a project of this magnitude...I just can't imagine using a film covering. Of course, it's your baby so whatever works best for you

Gorgeous, by the way! I do a lot of CAD work for my models, too, but this is a whole other level!

Chris
Chris, I just noticed that you are just up the road from me. When this is done I will be test flying it at the AMA field in Muncie. You will have to come down.

DAG
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Old Nov 13, 2008, 04:46 PM
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Some more fuse pics, I test fitted the fuse tube, as well as what the nacell might looking like with a belt drive.

DAG
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Old Nov 13, 2008, 04:56 PM
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Nice drawings, DAG!!1

Did you reccomend a tutorial or something for the 3DSMax??? I have it on my pc but I just can plot cubes... Too complicated to me.

I have a couple projects in my mind and the 3D drawing helps a lot...
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Old Nov 13, 2008, 05:06 PM
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Nice drawings, DAG!!1

Did you reccomend a tutorial or something for the 3DSMax??? I have it on my pc but I just can plot cubes... Too complicated to me.

I have a couple projects in my mind and the 3D drawing helps a lot...
Thanks,
It took me 3 years to teach myself 3Dmax, there are some great books on the basics, I will see what info I have a post it later.

DAG
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Old Nov 13, 2008, 07:10 PM
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Why not a carbon fuse tube? It seems that would save you a little weight.

Or is it carbon and im just blind?
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Old Nov 13, 2008, 08:25 PM
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Why not a carbon fuse tube? It seems that would save you a little weight.

Or is it carbon and im just blind?
It would save a ton of weight, but I can not find any that are 8' long with out costing $200.00 each .

If the plane ends up over 55 pounds I can save 5.5 pounds just by going to carbon, but it will cost me over $800.00.

Now if some one knows were I can get 2 each at 8'X1.5" and 3 each at 8'X1" for under $250.00 I would do it in a heart beat.

Thanks, DAG
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Old Nov 13, 2008, 08:36 PM
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http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/newsi...wingtubes.html

You might look there...it still isn't cheap, but you might be able to find something that is cheaper.

Also, instead of one big long piece, why not splice 3 shorter pieces together? if you had a 1" OD and a 7/8" ID, you could splice two pieces together with a piece with an OD 7/8", that might also make it easier and cheaper


EDIT: just looked at the link. You could get a 1.5"x48"x .XXX tube for 50 about 50 dollars. That would be 200 bucks give or take a few.
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Old Nov 14, 2008, 04:39 AM
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http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/newsi...wingtubes.html

You might look there...it still isn't cheap, but you might be able to find something that is cheaper.

Also, instead of one big long piece, why not splice 3 shorter pieces together? if you had a 1" OD and a 7/8" ID, you could splice two pieces together with a piece with an OD 7/8", that might also make it easier and cheaper


EDIT: just looked at the link. You could get a 1.5"x48"x .XXX tube for 50 about 50 dollars. That would be 200 bucks give or take a few.
I would love to try this, but I have not found a good way of joining them. I took 2 48" carbon tubes and turn an aluminum insert that was 12", 6" in each tube and no matter what I did I got deflection. If I had a way of joining them I would try it. Maybe by the time I am done with this that will be an option.

I looked at 2 RC sites that sell carbon tubes, and 5 aerospace companies, but once you get more than 60" these tubes price going out of sight.

Thanks, DAG
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Old Nov 14, 2008, 07:41 AM
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Chris, I just noticed that you are just up the road from me. When this is done I will be test flying it at the AMA field in Muncie. You will have to come down.

DAG
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