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Old Feb 17, 2009, 03:10 PM
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Looking really great DAG, are you going to have NAV lights or any other eye candy? I also have read a lot about what you think your watts needed will be, I bet if you have full throttle set for 100-110 watts per pound you will be great, after all it is a bomber.

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Old Feb 17, 2009, 03:42 PM
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Looking really great DAG, are you going to have NAV lights or any other eye candy? I also have read a lot about what you think your watts needed will be, I bet if you have full throttle set for 100-110 watts per pound you will be great, after all it is a bomber.

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I am planning on a NAV light and landing light system, but first have to get my dang cowls sheeted, 6 is going to take awhile. About the watt thing, I am not sure what to think, most people say that 120watts is plenty, but I got a e-mail last week from a guy that said that 150 watts was not enough for what my plane weighed, I will have a wing load under 35 ounces, and to me a plane that weighs 80 pounds with 58 pounds of thrust should fly great. But I will wait and see.

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Old Feb 17, 2009, 04:03 PM
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Here is a little more work on my cowling's, go very slow, I am also feeling a little under the weather and think I might be catching something, Oh well.

I am still about 2 weeks behind schedule, but might try to take a week off the first of March.

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Old Feb 17, 2009, 04:07 PM
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I am planning on a NAV light and landing light system, but first have to get my dang cowls sheeted, 6 is going to take awhile. About the watt thing, I am not sure what to think, most people say that 120watts is plenty, but I got a e-mail last week from a guy that said that 150 watts was not enough for what my plane weighed, I will have a wing load under 35 ounces, and to me a plane that weighs 80 pounds with 58 pounds of thrust should fly great. But I will wait and see.

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Dag,

Who said that?! 150 W/lb. will put this puppy in orbit. Weight is no object, that's the point of watts per pound, I wonder what he is thinking?

Also remember, I calculated 108.9 lbs of thrust with your setup (when it was 60 lbs. AUW), so if your more conservative numbers are correct, you have a sport-capable bomber, if mine are correct, you have a hover-capable one ;-)

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Old Feb 17, 2009, 04:15 PM
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Care to share who said that? 150 W/lb. will put this puppy in orbit. Weight is no object, that's the point of watts per pound, I wonder what he is thinking?

Jack
Hi Jack,
I would rather not start something here on the tread about his e-mail. It is just depressing sometimes when most the people you are networking with tell you that you have a good solid design, and a well thought out power plant system, then I get a e-mail saying that I should really think about my 8C packs being to low of voltage for the power I need. I know he probably has a wire crossed when he did his math, but it is just a drag to get this much time and money invested to start second guessing. All the data I have says that she will fly like a bomber at 100-120 watts per pound. I am sure he is reading this and hopefully will fill us in on where we are ALL wrong.

Thanks Jack, and are you getting really pumped up about SEFF???

I am still planning on going, just not sure if she will be airworthy yet.

DAG
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Old Feb 17, 2009, 04:27 PM
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Hi Jack,
I would rather not start something here on the tread about his e-mail. It is just depressing sometimes when most the people you are networking with tell you that you have a good solid design, and a well thought out power plant system, then I get a e-mail saying that I should really think about my 8C packs being to low of voltage for the power I need. I know he probably has a wire crossed when he did his math, but it is just a drag to get this much time and money invested to start second guessing. All the data I have says that she will fly like a bomber at 100-120 watts per pound. I am sure he is reading this and hopefully will fill us in on where we are ALL wrong.

Thanks Jack, and are you getting really pumped up about SEFF???

I am still planning on going, just not sure if she will be airworthy yet.

DAG
No, you're right, no names! I ran the numbers again and everything I know says she'll fly like a sport plane. I am planning on standing behind her at least once and feeling what 6 x 20" props moving all that air feels like! I still think the sound will be spectacular as well, especially if you happen to get some resonance from the airframe.

SEFF is great, I've been primed for 9 months already (the minute I got home I thought of next year), hotel room and week off work already done, I'm even making mods to my trailer to get more gear in it! No matter if she's ready or not you'll have a ball if you go, all the guys at this event are e-fliers and very supportive and creative, you'll see quite a bit of war birds as well.

Keep up the great work, I know sheeting is no fun but it looks to me like you make are making fast work of it, the fuse seemd to go quite fast when you were posting pics of it a month or so back. I am wondering if we can get 50 mini-water balloons in her and get permission from the "tower" for a "fly-over" at SEFF, heheh...

Jack
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Old Feb 17, 2009, 04:34 PM
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DAG - I was just looking at your latest pics, and now I'm wondering, how many pieces will this plane break down into? I would guess a van is part of the transport package.
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Old Feb 17, 2009, 05:06 PM
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Dag, sorry your not feeling well, I hope you get better soon !!

As far as the mystery person saying you wont have enough power ...

Well, you have to remember that now days there are few people that understand flying scale.

Even at my own field I have several people tell me I dont have enough engine on my planes but I have no interest in a nice looking 1/6th scale Corsair flying 150 mph !!
Or even worse a 1/6th scale Sopwith Pup fling 80 or so...lol lol lol...
As a matter of fact I try to fly my Pup as slow as I can !!

Oh well
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Old Feb 17, 2009, 06:41 PM
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As a matter of fact I try to fly my Pup as slow as I can !!
But then thats just the way "pleasantly plump" red headed guys would like to fly... Of course I am a "pleasantly plump" ex-red head.. (t'is all grey now), and feel the same way... in fact, I was really getting off on watching a vid of the Sig "Demoiselle" float around the sky... Scale flying speed is great as far as I am concerned... That said, I also have no problem with trying to rip the wings off of a semi-scale L-39 if the opportunity arises...

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Old Feb 17, 2009, 06:48 PM
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DAG - I was just looking at your latest pics, and now I'm wondering, how many pieces will this plane break down into? I would guess a van is part of the transport package.
Angelo,
She will break down like this, and the H-stabs slide of their stab tubs. I hope she fits in my wifes van, if not I might just have to trade in my 18' car hauler that I pull my buggies around on and buy a real 18' box type trailer.

I think it is official, I feel like crap. Got something.

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Old Feb 17, 2009, 06:53 PM
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Angelo,
She will break down like this, and the H-stabs slide of their stab tubs. I hope she fits in my wifes van, if not I might just have to trade in my 18' car hauler that I pull my buggies around on and buy a real 18' box type trailer.

I think it is official, I feel like crap. Got something.

DAG
A giant scale pot of chicken soup will help.

I don't know if you get Hight Flight magazine but there is a B-36 on the cover.

Saul
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Old Feb 17, 2009, 06:53 PM
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Hi Dag...

If you have a cold, get some ZICAM ....it will most definitely shorten the length of a cold. I keep that stuff on hand at all time, and at the first symptom I start using it...Believe me, it works...

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Old Feb 17, 2009, 07:04 PM
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But then thats just the way "pleasantly plump" red headed guys would like to fly... Of course I am a "pleasantly plump" ex-red head.. (t'is all grey now), and feel the same way... in fact, I was really getting off on watching a vid of the Sig "Demoiselle" float around the sky... Scale flying speed is great as far as I am concerned... That said, I also have no problem with trying to rip the wings off of a semi-scale L-39 if the opportunity arises...

SteveT
That was funy Steve !!...lol lol lol...

I guess I must confess,
I do have a couple that are fast ...lol lol lol...
But I built those years ago when I didnt know how fun scale flying is...lol lol lol...

Seeya, Tim
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Old Feb 17, 2009, 07:36 PM
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A giant scale pot of chicken soup will help.

I don't know if you get Hight Flight magazine but there is a B-36 on the cover.

Saul
Yea, I just got my Highflight and it is a cool build. Maybe the B-36 will become a household word.

I think it is the bug that all of the kids smear all over each other when it is to cold to go out and play, I still sometimes catch my little 7 year old girl with a thumb in her mouth and a finger parked in her nose, then she grabs the fridge door handle and smears her slobber all of the milk jug handle .

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Old Feb 17, 2009, 08:00 PM
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Yea, I just got my Highflight and it is a cool build. Maybe the B-36 will become a household word.

I think it is the bug that all of the kids smear all over each other when it is to cold to go out and play, I still sometimes catch my little 7 year old girl with a thumb in her mouth and a finger parked in her nose, then she grabs the fridge door handle and smears her slobber all of the milk jug handle .

DAG
Oh, she is going to love you for that post if she reads it when she is a little older ...lol lol lol...

Seeya, Tim
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