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Old Oct 01, 2008, 07:53 PM
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How do you set up an AP business?

Can anyone offer an insight into how to set up an AP business.
ie. what type of company to approach etc. I'm in W. Sussex UK so shouldn't be in direct competition with any of you.
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Old Oct 02, 2008, 06:12 AM
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I suspect the first thing you would want to do (assuming you don't mean Kite/Pole/Balloon) is to keep a close eye on the impending CAA rule changes that will effectively kill off R/C AP. Last I heard these were due to take effect in January - I've not been keeping up on it myself as I think it's already a done deal.

Anyone know the latest?

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Old Oct 02, 2008, 07:31 AM
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ignorance is bliss...... sorry but why do they see fit to "kill off" such a great hobby?


.....they can't stop me......
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Old Oct 02, 2008, 07:31 AM
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Turnbui, head on over to aplanding, where there is a mountain on the busiess aspect of AP.
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Old Oct 02, 2008, 07:46 AM
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Adam here is the latest posted by JohnC (CARVEC) on RR



Thank you for your email regarding the proposed changed to the Air Navigation Order to bring UAS of less than 7kg in to the scope for regulatory oversight. The comments you sent to Chris Finnigan on the 3rd June 2008 have been read carefully and recorded in our consultation analysis that will be published shortly. Although I cannot discuss the results before they are officially published, I can say that at the moment it appears likely we will proceed with a change to the ANO to require operators of UAS with a MTOM of less than 7kg to obtain permission from the CAA before conducting any non-recreational activities. There is no intention to interfere with well established recreational model aircraft flying activities.

Exactly what an operator will need to do to obtain permission is still undecided but the position is becoming clearer. Certainly there will be a proportional approach according to the nature of the operation and the vehicle itself. For example, we envisage that for a simple, lightweight, battery powered vehicle the CAA may only require the operator to sign a simple declaration of conformity to the guidelines in CAP 722. For larger more complex vehicles used in higher risk environments we envisage that an application for permission will be very similar, if not identical, to the existing requirements for 7-20kg vehicles. Where an operations manual is required it might be possible for the CAA to assist with the application process by providing a sample manual that can be tailored by an individual organisation to suit their specific requirements.

We have recently been made aware of a significant backlog in the Department of Transport that has resulted in the legislation programme for 2009 being delayed. Whereas we originally expected any law change to come about in February 2009, our target implementation date has now moved to October 2009. In spite of this delay we intend to proceed with issuing our Letter of Intent as originally planned.
What this means in practical terms is that we will publish our intentions before the end of this year but the actual law change will now happen in October 2009. We hope that by publicising our intentions in advance of the law change it will give the industry an opportunity to recognise and adapt to the new regulations.

Kind Regards
Ben Watkins

turnbui you want to get yourself a copy of Greg McNair book Ariel Photography The Essential How-To Guide, to answer the original question and most Pro operators (in the UK) are based in your neck of the wood BTW (in the South of the UK)
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Old Oct 02, 2008, 07:58 AM
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Just to add the BMFA are distancing themselves from commercially operated UAV's basically saying nowt to do with us and look how good normal modellers have been over the years.
At a resent conference they put them 2 pence across about using guidelines they have in place such as LMA BUT concludes is bugger all to do with them. Basically just protecting normal model flyers.

The only good point being the BMFA has now approved FPV under strict guidelines you will be insured to fly FPV.
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Old Oct 02, 2008, 10:00 AM
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Thanks people. [sigh]Oh well.
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Old Oct 02, 2008, 10:17 AM
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Sounds like you’re not too far from me! Personally, I have decided not peruse setting up in business. I will do it for fun then I get to fly on my terms without pressure form clients.

Just my 2p.

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Old Oct 02, 2008, 11:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turnbui
Thanks people. [sigh]Oh well.
Your not giving up that easy are you
Get hold of Greg's book and have a read I think being realistic an AP business in the UK would have to be tied into a larger setup. If nothing else it's just our shocking weather.

I run my own production business part time (for now) and AP/AV is just one tool in the box so to speak. But I'm coming from a photographic/video/3D/post production side rather than a flyer so the learning curve is steep and even steeper when you take into account the past two summers we have. For shooting portfolios etc..

If you tie it in to say another photographic discipline you maybe on your way but don't give up your day job so to speak.
BUT I really do not think in the UK you can JUST do RC AP/AV I do see it as a growing market though especially if you can tie your chosen platforms into specific areas you wish to work in, for commercial reason I'm not going to tell you mine BUT there area areas out there so far not even touched that I think could proves very fruitful .
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Old Oct 02, 2008, 12:00 PM
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Hey the hoops to jump through set up by the CAA won't be too high or far spaced.

I have held an air operators certificate in the UK and as long as you tick the boxes its easy to set one up.

In fact if anything I think it will protect people that are serious about it all.

You will be able to lean on the CAA when somebody sets up in your backyard without the proper permissions.

Also you will be able to say CAA approval AP123 or however they phrase it on your literature which will separate you from the chancers.

Of course on the flip side as you will no doubt have signed that you have read and understood the ANO should you be found to have contravened it they will slap your wrists.

The other angle on that is, once its signed in, anybody that breaks the rules can have CAP 722 or any such thrown at them.

Especially those that put posts in here with, just look how high I was, in the title!!

I know that at least one SRG chap often looks at this forum!!!!

So far the CAA have been far more accommodating than others, just look at the FAA and aerial work.
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Old Oct 03, 2008, 09:57 AM
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Thanks for the plug Ben!

www.aerialphotobook.com

While it won't answer direct questions about operating in your given aerospace environment, it will certainly give you a good idea of what is involved with setting up a professional business in this industry.
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Old Oct 03, 2008, 10:45 AM
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I have been very busy with my business in Aerial Photography. I work mostly with
Builders of large Hotels and City Parks. I also shoot large fields that may be dug out
To make leaves for New Orleans. Shooting a power plane Saturday.

Eddie Weeks
http://aerialphotobatonrouge.com/
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