Clubs on Public Property - Help Please!

Hi there!
If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public property
for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are AMA
chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if any, items
you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.

We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't have
any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only for the
property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is the
charter? No fun flys, contests or other non-club events are held. All members
are AMA members (although we may allow UMA in the future) if we do not charter.

Thanks for your help!

Fred

RedFred1 wrote:
>
> Hi there!
> If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public property
> for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are AMA
> chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if any, items
> you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.
>
> We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't have
> any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only for the
> property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is the
> charter? No fun flys, contests or other non-club events are held. All members
> are AMA members (although we may allow UMA in the future) if we do not charter.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Fred

We fly on the Cook County Forest Preserve land in Illinois. The county
requires us to have liability insurance on their behalf, which we do
through AMA. We are, therefore, chartered.

I think you will find this situation pretty standard. All of the clube I
have belonged to were on public land and the "owners" required liability
insurance.

"john" <john@kallend.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> RedFred1 wrote:
> >
> > Hi there!
> > If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public
property
> > for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are
AMA
> > chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if
any, items
> > you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.
> >
> > We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't
have
> > any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only
for the
> > property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is
the
> > charter? No fun flys, contests or other non-club events are held. All
members
> > are AMA members (although we may allow UMA in the future) if we do not
charter.
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > Fred
>
> We fly on the Cook County Forest Preserve land in Illinois. The county
> requires us to have liability insurance on their behalf, which we do
> through AMA. We are, therefore, chartered.

>If the AMA charter club insurance is only for the
>property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is the
>charter?

Even though it's "public" property, someone owns it, either the city ,county,
or state you live in. Most people in that situation like to feel they are
protected in case of an accident. This is what the AMA insurance does.

Chartering a club is easy and cheap. All you need is 5 AMA members. If all
your people are AMA members, then why NOT charter?

Unless you fly 'way out in the middle of nowhere, alone, chartering and AMA
membership is the way to go.
Dr.1 Driver
"There's a Hun in the sun!"

We fly at a public park in a Texas city and the city does not require anything.
City government claims they can't be held liable for anything due to our laws
in Texas. However we are chartered because we do hold fun fly events which
makes us liable as a club so by being chartered we are covered during those
events.

Ken

We fly at a city owned field in New Mexico. The city attorney informed us
that no liability insurance is needed due to state laws protecting the city
government. We are chartered but always wonder what good it does us since
we don't hold AMA sanctioned events. But, it's only $20, so we keep
renewing.

Rein

"RedFred1" <redfred1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030209225938.11123.00000361@mb-dh.aol.com...
> Hi there!
> If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public
property
> for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are AMA
> chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if any,
items
> you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.
>
> We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't
have
> any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only for
the
> property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is the
> charter? No fun flys, contests or other non-club events are held. All
members
> are AMA members (although we may allow UMA in the future) if we do not
charter.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Fred

>If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public property
>for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are AMA
>chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if any,
>items
>you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.
>
>We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't have
>any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only for
>the
>property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is the
>charter?

We have a flying field on Federal Nat. Park Land . They require us to have
insurance to have the Fed. Permit to have a field in the Park. The Insured is
the U.S. Dept. of the Interior. AMA Charter and Insurance was the cost
effective way to go for us. Your local liability laws may vary.

Cheers!
Ron L.

But it's not $20. It's $20 plus the forced $50 each member has to pay. Why
not do your membership a good turn and drop the AMA bullshit?


"Mitch" <bro@bebop.com> wrote in message
news:b28dnv$2si7$1@reader.nmix.net...
> We fly at a city owned field in New Mexico. The city attorney informed us
> that no liability insurance is needed due to state laws protecting the
city
> government. We are chartered but always wonder what good it does us since
> we don't hold AMA sanctioned events. But, it's only $20, so we keep
> renewing.
>
> Rein
>
> "RedFred1" <redfred1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030209225938.11123.00000361@mb-dh.aol.com...
> > Hi there!
> > If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public
> property
> > for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are
AMA
> > chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if
any,
> items
> > you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.
> >
> > We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't
> have
> > any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only
for
> the
> > property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is
the
> > charter? No fun flys, contests or other non-club events are held. All
> members
> > are AMA members (although we may allow UMA in the future) if we do not
> charter.
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > Fred
>
>

It also covers the club against liability.

"Mitch" <bro@bebop.com> wrote in message
news:b28dnv$2si7$1@reader.nmix.net...
> We fly at a city owned field in New Mexico. The city attorney informed us
> that no liability insurance is needed due to state laws protecting the
city
> government. We are chartered but always wonder what good it does us since
> we don't hold AMA sanctioned events. But, it's only $20, so we keep
> renewing.
>
> Rein
>
> "RedFred1" <redfred1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030209225938.11123.00000361@mb-dh.aol.com...
> > Hi there!
> > If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public
> property
> > for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are
AMA
> > chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if
any,
> items
> > you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.
> >
> > We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't
> have
> > any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only
for
> the
> > property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is
the
> > charter? No fun flys, contests or other non-club events are held. All
> members
> > are AMA members (although we may allow UMA in the future) if we do not
> charter.
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > Fred
>
>

We have a field located on a closed county land fill. The AMA insurance
package was very helpful in acquiring this field. Without it we would not
have been able to do it.

Red S.
Alachua R/C Club
Alachua, FL

"Lecisron" <lecisron@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030210101849.25742.00000583@mb-me.aol.com...
> >If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public
property
> >for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are
AMA
> >chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if any,
> >items
> >you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.
> >
> >We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't
have
> >any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only
for
> >the
> >property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is the
> >charter?

Thanks everyone for your assistance.

Fred

Fred,

The Loopers site (the $1M Field) is on Wrentham Developmental Center
property. The WDC is part of the Mass Dept of Mental Retardation. Thus
our site is owned by the Commonwealth of Mass. Other WDC property is
used for events such as soccer, fairs, circuses, football, etc etc.
All groups that use WDC property must have insurance that protects the
Comm of Mass.

The LLFC have the special wording document that names the WDC as
owner.

BTW, when some members decided to go with SFA they showed the WDC the
SFA's insurance policy, it was approved, and the SFA'ers were allowed
to fly on our field.

If it weren't for the AMA policy, Mr Mulligan would never have had
it's initial flights on the $1M field <BG>

BTW, I do not believe we have assets of the club named specifically on
any insurance document, we have no structures either.

-Bill

On 10 Feb 2003 03:59:38 GMT, redfred1@aol.com (RedFred1) wrote:

>Hi there!
>If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public property
>for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are AMA
>chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if any, items
>you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.
>
>We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't have
>any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only for the
>property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is the
>charter? No fun flys, contests or other non-club events are held. All members
>are AMA members (although we may allow UMA in the future) if we do not charter.
>
>Thanks for your help!
>
>Fred

Of which less than $10 of the $50 takes care of all insurance costs.

Where does the $40 go to?

Perhaps it's all the good ol' boy projects.

But then they now have enough reserves to do as they please regardless
of the wishes of the members.

Suckers!!!



Andriod 72 wrote:
>
> But it's not $20. It's $20 plus the forced $50 each member has to pay. Why
> not do your membership a good turn and drop the AMA bullshit?
>
> "Mitch" <bro@bebop.com> wrote in message
> news:b28dnv$2si7$1@reader.nmix.net...
> > We fly at a city owned field in New Mexico. The city attorney informed us
> > that no liability insurance is needed due to state laws protecting the
> city
> > government. We are chartered but always wonder what good it does us since
> > we don't hold AMA sanctioned events. But, it's only $20, so we keep
> > renewing.
> >
> > Rein
> >
> > "RedFred1" <redfred1@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20030209225938.11123.00000361@mb-dh.aol.com...
> > > Hi there!
> > > If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public
> > property
> > > for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are
> AMA
> > > chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if
> any,
> > items
> > > you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.
> > >
> > > We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't
> > have
> > > any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only
> for
> > the
> > > property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is
> the
> > > charter? No fun flys, contests or other non-club events are held. All
> > members
> > > are AMA members (although we may allow UMA in the future) if we do not
> > charter.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help!
> > >
> > > Fred
> >
> >

We are on the city land-fill property. The city requires the site
owner's insurance and a Special Wording Certificate from AMA's insurer.
It's going to cost us $170 to renew for 2003.

The price of fun keeps going up. ;^)

Cheers,

CR

Bill Archibald wrote:

> Fred,
>
> The Loopers site (the $1M Field) is on Wrentham Developmental Center
> property. The WDC is part of the Mass Dept of Mental Retardation. Thus
> our site is owned by the Commonwealth of Mass. Other WDC property is
> used for events such as soccer, fairs, circuses, football, etc etc.
> All groups that use WDC property must have insurance that protects the
> Comm of Mass.
>
> The LLFC have the special wording document that names the WDC as
> owner.
>
> BTW, when some members decided to go with SFA they showed the WDC the
> SFA's insurance policy, it was approved, and the SFA'ers were allowed
> to fly on our field.
>
> If it weren't for the AMA policy, Mr Mulligan would never have had
> it's initial flights on the $1M field <BG>
>
> BTW, I do not believe we have assets of the club named specifically on
> any insurance document, we have no structures either.
>
> -Bill
>
> On 10 Feb 2003 03:59:38 GMT, redfred1@aol.com (RedFred1) wrote:
>
>
>>Hi there!
>>If you are a club officer who is a member of a club that uses public property
>>for your flying site, can you please let me know wether or not you are AMA
>>chartered and who you have on the insurance certificate and what, if any, items
>>you have insurance for, ie. club assets, structures, etc.
>>
>>We are discussing the need for chartering (to do it or not) as we don't have
>>any club items at the field. If the AMA charter club insurance is only for the
>>property owner ( in this case the public property) what real value is the
>>charter? No fun flys, contests or other non-club events are held. All members
>>are AMA members (although we may allow UMA in the future) if we do not charter.
>>
>>Thanks for your help!
>>
>>Fred
>>
>

Hugh wrote:
>
> Of which less than $10 of the $50 takes care of all insurance costs.
>
> Where does the $40 go to?
>
> Perhaps it's all the good ol' boy projects.
>
> But then they now have enough reserves to do as they please regardless
> of the wishes of the members.
>
> Suckers!!!
>


Don't join if you don't want to. Buy your insurance directly, if you
need it. Does someone have a gun to your head, or something? Whine
whine whine,