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Old Apr 15, 2012, 09:25 AM
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Thank you for the heads up on all of your comments. I have made it 3/4 of the way thru this long thread. I have been flying for 15 yr now and will never have the stick skills many of our members have but i don't crash planes either. I'm not a serious 3d flyer but need this type of plane as i have limited landing and take off area when i fly at home.

I currently fly a 42slick and an old Attitude from Todd,s from many years ago while he was still doing design work not to mention 4 other planes that i fly on a daily basis based on weather.

Soon i will be picking up an Addicition to replace the rung out Attitude (i loved that plane)

Again thank you for your advice.
Craig

I am really drawn to this AMR it looks great and seems to have limited issues as most planes go.
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 09:50 AM
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if you can land a 42, than ultimate lands like 3x slower... it was kinda creepy, how slow it can fly and still remain in the air.. however slick can take more wind... the only real issue is colour scheme visibility... rest is just...so, nitpicking!
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 09:59 AM
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i hear ya!

I'm so ready to get this thing started. I just had spine surgery 2 weeks ago and will have some good time to build. I never build fast but enjoy the build to really see how it all ties together.

I did not mean to sound like a jerk by saying I don't crash planes but I fly conservitive. I fly low but know where my limits are and do not push it. I hate the thought of a $400.00 yard dart just to be cool when my skills do not warrent it. I just love to fly.

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Old Apr 15, 2012, 10:27 AM
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AND 42" can take a lot more beating than ultimate... >.< i simply harriered into bush and broke motor box off the first fuse former.. so be ready for that!
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 10:33 AM
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AND 42" can take a lot more beating than ultimate... >.< i simply harriered into bush and broke motor box off the first fuse former.. so be ready for that!
ehhh its all in how you hit, i have dropped the AMR on the wing in a harrier with no damage at all, but i dropped the 42" on the wing in a harrier and it crushed the side of the plane. But yeah the Motor box is about the only really big complaint i have about the AMR wish is was built like a EF or 3dhs
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 12:46 PM
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and how would you repair the motor box on an EF or DHS plane..? you would have to replace the whole fuselage.

I did crash my AMR some months ago, breaking the motor box and the first bulkhead. The motor box has been replace immediatly by the local dealer who did send me a few weeks later this broken bulkhead. What ask for more?

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Old Apr 15, 2012, 01:54 PM
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and how would you repair the motor box on an EF or DHS plane..? you would have to replace the whole fuselage.

I did crash my AMR some months ago, breaking the motor box and the first bulkhead. The motor box has been replace immediatly by the local dealer who did send me a few weeks later this broken bulkhead. What ask for more?

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...no you get a motor box kit and rebuild it.
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 02:06 PM
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and how would you repair the motor box on an EF or DHS plane..? you would have to replace the whole fuselage.

I did crash my AMR some months ago, breaking the motor box and the first bulkhead. The motor box has been replace immediatly by the local dealer who did send me a few weeks later this broken bulkhead. What ask for more?

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huh? motor box? every 3dhs plane has a motor boxes... question is, are they in stock! did it on my 48 and kit included motor box+ battery tray+ even LG formers and a bit of balsa for fuse sides......

and (im just guessing) if you get a PA motor box, it comes ready? and you just have to reglue it to first fuse former... (wich in 90%) will be damaged BEFORE motor box... (again im guessing) you can not get separately (or together with motor box) first fuse former? and to replace that you have to buy a new fuse... where in 3dhs planes, nothing will break from simple landing noseover, but if you DO break motor box, i give 90% you will have to swap a motor box, battery tray and most likely 1 or 2 fuse formers.... wich everything (at least on 48" edge) comes with a MB kit..
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 03:15 PM
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I naturally beef up all motor boxes and landing gear for all planes as i fly ROG 90 % of the time at home.

most times I go directly to aluminum gear as a rule regardless of who the manufacture is. I would not if i was flying off paved runway. the grass is abusive to landing gear. This is just what i have had to do over the years to keep them alive.

Craig
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huh? motor box? every 3dhs plane has a motor boxes... question is, are they in stock! did it on my 48 and kit included motor box+ battery tray+ even LG formers and a bit of balsa for fuse sides......

and (im just guessing) if you get a PA motor box, it comes ready? and you just have to reglue it to first fuse former... (wich in 90%) will be damaged BEFORE motor box... (again im guessing) you can not get separately (or together with motor box) first fuse former? and to replace that you have to buy a new fuse... where in 3dhs planes, nothing will break from simple landing noseover, but if you DO break motor box, i give 90% you will have to swap a motor box, battery tray and most likely 1 or 2 fuse formers.... wich everything (at least on 48" edge) comes with a MB kit..
I would suggest that a 3dhs motorbox kit is the best available in the hobby, for the reasons you just stated. With PA, no first former included, with EF, no option but a new fuse... must debond horizontal stab and cut rudder hinges :-(
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Old Apr 16, 2012, 06:07 AM
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Guessing is always the easiest way to go, when you don't know..

it is a matter of fact that in the five years we sell PA in Europe, we did only need two first formers..one for the Ultimate (the french customer) and one for the Addiction (for a german customer) . All other damages did only need the replacement of the motor box..and not a bit more

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Old Apr 16, 2012, 07:14 AM
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Guessing is always the easiest way to go, when you don't know..

it is a matter of fact that in the five years we sell PA in Europe, we did only need two first formers..one for the Ultimate (the french customer) and one for the Addiction (for a german customer) . All other damages did only need the replacement of the motor box..and not a bit more

Alvin Braeckman
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Than my serious apologies! As i said, that was only my guesswork... But yeah, looking at fuse, its kinda hard to believe that (fiberglassed an epoxy coated) motor box would break before first former...
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Old Apr 16, 2012, 07:56 AM
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Yes,
I have replaced more than a few motor boxes on Katana MD, AMR, and Extra 260. Most needed some rebuild of first former. At least some extra support. BUt I always made it work.
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Old Apr 16, 2012, 08:46 AM
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Guessing is always the easiest way to go, when you don't know..

it is a matter of fact that in the five years we sell PA in Europe, we did only need two first formers..one for the Ultimate (the french customer) and one for the Addiction (for a german customer) . All other damages did only need the replacement of the motor box..and not a bit more

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I can confirm that as the Czech distributor. It is either motor box and cowling or complete fuselage for the worst type of accidents where there is nearly nothing left from the fuselage and even the 3DHS spare parts with the first former would not help...

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Old Apr 16, 2012, 09:04 AM
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I can confirm that as the Czech distributor. It is either motor box and cowling or complete fuselage for the worst type of accidents where there is nearly nothing left from the fuselage and even the 3DHS spare parts with the first former would not help...

Jakub
Guess that makes me an exception, does it? breaking mb off the first former without a scratch on mb itself?
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