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Old Oct 03, 2012, 04:40 AM
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This won't help any but France just permitted flights out to 100km for sUAS

Yep you heard it right, well done to Delair-Tech for getting the nod. Historic sUAS day me think.

http://www.suasnews.com/2012/10/1900...n-authorities/

@prelator that NPRM date is interesting, first we have heard of it for a while the last known date is the one on our miss-o-matic so nice find. Sort of smells of adding something to a doc and then when we point out the miss date they will say no your wrong its only this many days........ The bottom line is nothing is happening with it all and the real elephant in the room is ASTM F-38
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Old Oct 03, 2012, 09:39 AM
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This won't help any but France just permitted flights out to 100km for sUAS

Yep you heard it right, well done to Delair-Tech for getting the nod. Historic sUAS day me think.
Any idea what Delair-Tech is doing that satistfied French air safety authorities about collision avoidance 100 km away from the launch site?
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Old Oct 03, 2012, 10:42 AM
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The real key message in that article is:

"This text is a world first. It defines the regulatory framework to allow the French UAS industry to begin its development, a step ahead of other countries, in a key and growing market.

Look at the French :-) You can love or hate them, but they definitely see potentials.
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Old Oct 03, 2012, 04:03 PM
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Any idea what Delair-Tech is doing that satistfied French air safety authorities about collision avoidance 100 km away from the launch site?
Perhaps they realise that with some basic safety precautions and common sense the potential for collision is minute.
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Old Oct 04, 2012, 01:21 PM
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I read elsewhere you need a PPL with at least 100 hours and some UA currency. Very low bar me thinks, very sensible.
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Old Oct 04, 2012, 10:15 PM
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Does this mean that the FAA isn't leading the way?
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Old Oct 04, 2012, 11:34 PM
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ATTENTION EVERYONE!

We are holding a VPAOA Organization Kickoff Meeting this Sunday, October 7th, 2012 at 2PM PDT, that's: 3PM MDT, 4PM CDT and 5PM EDT.

Anyone interested to be part of the Board/Leadership (not regular member) please send a e-mail to registration@vpaoa.org with your Name, E-Mail, Phone and a short introduction why you should be part of the board/leadership of the VPA. Please also include a resume if available. Deadline is Saturday Evening.

Depending on the group size, we will either use Google Hangouts or Skype.

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Old Oct 12, 2012, 03:54 PM
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Hands up all those that still think the FAA will allow FPV beyond line of sight

Another VLOS definition from the FAA in the 112 page report as well

Unaided visual contact between a PIC (or designated UAS crewmember) and a UA sufficient to maintain safe operational control of the aircraft, know its location, and be able to scan the airspace in which it is operating to see and avoid other air traffic or objects aloft or on the ground.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 04:47 PM
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One thing to take note of is, that the VLOS distinction pretty much separates
that entire Conops document from normal Model Aircraft operations, including any FPV
ops performed within VLOS. Does seem to leave the small commercial A/P & A/V operator
totally in limbo though.

Two sections of note:
"1.3 Concept overview
This document contains six sections. Section 2 describes the current operations of UAS in
the NAS. Section 3 describes the capability shortfalls of these operations and provides a
justification for change. Section 4 presents the concept of a future NAS in which UAS are
integrated. This section pertains to all UAS operations, except for small UAS (aircraft
weighing less than 55 pounds) operating exclusively within visual line-of-sight (VLOS) of the
flight crew.
Section 5 presents operational scenarios for various UAS types within all classes
of airspace. Section 6 summarizes the anticipated impacts of UAS integration from the
perspectives of the FAA and the users of the NAS. Section 6 also examines this concept’s
relationship with other NextGen concept documents
...
4.2 General Requirements and Assumptions for Integration
The following general requirements and assumptions apply to all UAS operations that are
integrated into the NAS. Requirements for integration apply universally, regardless of type
of user or operational domain. Subsequent sections discuss each of these requirements and
assumptions in more detail. Small UAS (aircraft weighing less than 55 pounds) designed to
operate exclusively within visual line-of-sight (VLOS) of the flight crew are not addressed in
the concept narrative and are not bound by these requirements for integration.
"

ian
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 04:52 PM
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Hands up all those that still think the FAA will allow FPV beyond line of sight
*I still don't understand why anyone thinks they should.

(Except perhaps very small, light, and low)
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 05:42 PM
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*I still don't understand why anyone thinks they should.

(Except perhaps very small, light, and low)
Because the risk is small enough that a complete prohibition isn't necessary.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 06:51 PM
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Hands up all those that still think the FAA will allow FPV beyond line of sight.
*Puts both hands against the floor*

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Old Oct 12, 2012, 07:10 PM
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Out of curiosity, Gary, where did you see that definition of VLOS? I couldn't find it at least with a cursory scan of the document.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 07:49 PM
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Im happy with that definition it means I can still fly out two miles laterally at night all lit up, I can fulfill each of the requirements no prob.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 08:08 PM
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Out of curiosity, Gary, where did you see that definition of VLOS? I couldn't find it at least with a cursory scan of the document.
Appendix A - Glossary of Terms near the bottom of the doc.

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