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Old Jun 02, 2011, 09:08 AM
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I think a large part of the issue is the FAA needs to rely on outside efforts to provide the science- NASA, DoD, the odd study here and there. It's sad, but they do not get the budget to do the work.


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Old Jun 02, 2011, 10:49 AM
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After 6 years I'm skeptical...

It doesn't take too much money to put in writing what you are looking for from the standards groups. Neither does looking at the data they've offered by universities, military or the RCAPA Proposed Guidelines. (Mel was a big part of those) We have to look at who is driving the proses, the lack of experience and will. Couple this with a lack of accountability and you have the U.S. NAS integration process
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Old Jun 03, 2011, 11:54 AM
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Interesting development.

http://tinyurl.com/3er59aa
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Old Jun 03, 2011, 11:57 AM
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Bad link.
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Old Jun 03, 2011, 11:57 AM
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Nothing at that URL.
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Old Jun 03, 2011, 12:08 PM
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Link worked for me...

http://www.suasnews.com/2011/06/5696...orized-by-faa/
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Old Jun 03, 2011, 12:51 PM
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That's f'ed up
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Old Jun 03, 2011, 12:55 PM
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So basically they won't allow film companies to use SUAS platforms anymore, because they think current FAA regs already ban them? Or just because the union for the pilots who fly Hollywood's camera helicopters were mad about competing with RC planes?
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Old Jun 03, 2011, 01:06 PM
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I'm guessing their lawyers went ape at the perceived liability.


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Old Jun 03, 2011, 01:11 PM
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Are there permits available for commercial use?
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Old Jun 03, 2011, 02:53 PM
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I'm surprised this is even news. Everyone has known for years that commercial use
of sUAS for AP and AV has been illegal, and the FAA clarified that further a few years ago
when they said that sUAS could not be operated commercially under AC91-57.
The only existing legal path involves getting an air worthiness certificate
for your aircraft a license for the pilot and jumping through lots of hoops that
1. just don't make sense for a small sUAS and 2. the FAA generally hasn't bothered to actually
make available to anyone outside the military or for scientific community.

*This* is what is driving the FAA to craft new sUAS regs. Massive pressure
from those who want to make money off sUAS ops, because there's no practical way
to do so today. We may be the most public face of sUAS right now, but we're
just a tiny blip compared to what will happen when there is finally a legal and
practical way to do commercial sUAS ops.

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Old Jun 03, 2011, 05:14 PM
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For what it is worth the news article was about the position taken by the California Film Commission on 5/31/11.

http://tinyurl.com/3pe4jdw

Note the last paragraph.
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Old Jun 03, 2011, 06:32 PM
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The referenced FAA doc http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m.../N7210.766.pdf
It still just looks to be a clarification of what was already known, which is that
licensed operation of sUAS in the NAS is a major PITA. My guess is the CFC
was simply operating outside the legal process on a "case by case" basis and got
their hands slapped.

The FAA doc does re-iterate this as well
"(3) Hobbyist.
(a) Hobbyists should follow the guidance contained in Advisory Circular (AC) 91-57.
(b) For model aircraft, the authority is AC 91-57. "

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Old Jun 04, 2011, 12:46 PM
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The FAA doc does re-iterate this as well
"(3) Hobbyist.
(a) Hobbyists should follow the guidance contained in Advisory Circular (AC) 91-57.
(b) For model aircraft, the authority is AC 91-57. "\
I guess my confusion is around the idea that we "should follow the guidelines" and that "AC 91-57 is the authority".

Is that idea the same as we should "follow the laws" set by our state and that the police are the "authority"?... meaning if one chooses to not follow the laws there are actions that the police can take to reprimand them?

To me it seems:

Like FAA sub contracted laws (although that would suggest they cared to come up with these 'guidelines') to say..."uh, yeah, those are the rules those guys came up with. You should go by them since we don't really have anything else, and uh, yeah they are the authority."

I also find it interesting going into the 6th month of me learning heavily about FPV, that I've yet to see anyone official in these threads talking to us about whatever laws, guidelines, recommendations, etc. It's mostly speculative back and forth about how the hobby is going to die, and then it's not.... well, if this is such a big concern where are the officials who care.

Wouldn't they want to talk to us, educate themselves on how we can do what we do safely... have an open and insightful discussion about the real concerns and get that dialog going?

To me the open sky is like the open ocean. Lots of space for us all to play, and if we respect our areas and perform safely then there should be minimal blanket limits and conscious decisions on what those are.

Honestly, 400' ceiling is like saying you can only swim on the steps of the swimming pool. Buddy box shows people have little understanding of how FPV can be does safely. I'd like to see how many accidents have been avoided because of a Buddy Box. And LOS flying.... mostly what I do, but again, a blanket of LOS is flat out silly. Anyway, that's my confusion and mini-rant. Its raining and I can't fly so maybe that's my problem
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Old Jun 04, 2011, 01:26 PM
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Like FAA sub contracted laws (although that would suggest they cared to come up with these 'guidelines') to say..."uh, yeah, those are the rules those guys came up with. You should go by them since we don't really have anything else, and uh, yeah they are the authority."
Meaning?
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