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Old Feb 03, 2003, 08:21 PM
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Need your input on Kontronick

I am getting ready to place a large order with Kontronick what would you guys like for me to keep in stock ?
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Old Feb 03, 2003, 08:41 PM
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Kontronik?

Is not NESail the exclusive distributor of Kontronik products in the US? Sal has always had any motor or controller that Kontonik has in production.
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Old Feb 03, 2003, 09:45 PM
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augusta,

I guess he has become a dealer.

EAMRC (Dave?)....

Not that I can afford to buy too many brushless setups, but around here it seems the FanDriveS (Fun400-36 and smile 40-16-12) and Fun 400-42 are the one's I recall getting alot of mention here. Maybe someone else with chip in with more info...

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Old Feb 03, 2003, 10:03 PM
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Arbo has the mini fan covered.

The 600-18 and 600-15 are good for 90mm fans on 16 and 20'ish cells respectively.

The 500-21 is good for 12-14 cells in 86-90mm fans.
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Old Feb 03, 2003, 11:18 PM
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Kontronick suggestions

Ok sounds good so far, has anyone out there used one in one of our F-18's ? If so which set up and what were your results? I am looking for a good setip to package as a combo
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Old Feb 03, 2003, 11:41 PM
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Arbo has the mini fan covered...
Perhaps ...

Fun 480-42 & MF480 in MiG-15: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...5&pagenumber=7

Fun 480-33 & MF480 in Eurofighter 2000: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...5&pagenumber=8
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Old Feb 03, 2003, 11:44 PM
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If memory serves me right, Haldor had/has a KC Bug that was Kontronics powered, and he used to hand launch it. I think he mainly uses the 400-42, but I'd wait for him to come along and notice this.

Because besides the 400, they have the 480's which are a bit longer, and of course stronger. But with power is extra weight (30 g or so) and of course your battery weight is going to go up if you want any duration.

I think the guys across the pond have more experience with the Kontronics stuff, so I'd wait for one of them to chip in.

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Old Feb 04, 2003, 12:45 AM
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Just my 5 cent on Wemo 480

I try to use always Rc1600 (CP1700) in such models for the Wemo 480.

Except in models like the TA183 from RBC, the new BV212, Pampa from Gloeckner i do use 12 x TS1700AUP with the 400-28 or 480-28.

Normally i prefer the 400-36 or 480-36 at 10 normal or zapped batteries depends on model and CG. I want power and duration and the current is ok without zapped batteries. My flying style is often part load, i fly normally 5min + 12 batteries will be ok with 480 type, too.

Others prefer the -42 at 10 normal or zapped batteries, the current draw is higher and you have more trust etc...I use this setup for meetings and in future, when the capacity of the batteries are growing. (2000mAh in 4/5 size and same power handling as RC1600, i hope this is soon from anyone coming)

If you are Herb you take Motors with 4700RPm and put 12 zapped batteries in it, short runnin time but very much power.
In my opinion it's to much for most customers, but very funny.
You need very good batteries and controllers which handle very high current.

Motor depends on that, what the user want. I try to get the information from the customer via EMail or telephone and try to get the correct motor for him. I try to stay always in a 35 to 40A range if possible.
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Old Feb 04, 2003, 12:56 AM
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Midifan measurements with the new RPMS

FUN 500-24 8,50 Volt 27,20 A 18532 U/min 231 Watt 2400 U/Volt 675 gr.
FUN 500-24 8,70 Volt 27,90 A 18710 U/min 243 Watt 705 gr.
FUN 500-24 9,60 Volt 33,30 A 20331 U/min 320 Watt 836 gr.
FUN 500-24 10,80 Volt 39,50 A 22723 U/min 427 Watt 1020 gr.
FUN 500-24 11,10 Volt 41,20 A 23173 U/min 457 Watt 1053 gr.
FUN 500-24 13,80 Volt 53,60 A 26775 U/min 740 Watt 1458 gr.


FUN 600-13 9,10 Volt 6,30 A 11595 U/min 57 Watt 1300 U/Volt 266 gr.
FUN 600-13 7,40 A 12775 U/min 75 Watt 322 gr.
FUN 600-13 11,20 Volt 8,80 A 13974 U/min 99 Watt 387 gr.
FUN 600-13 12,20 Volt 10,20 A 15095 U/min 124 Watt 465 gr.
FUN 600-13 13,70 Volt 12,60 A 17105 U/min 173 Watt 576 gr.
FUN 600-13 16,60 Volt 18,10 A 20577 U/min 300 Watt 851 gr.
FUN 600-13 18,60 Volt 22,50 A 22728 U/min 419 Watt 1050 gr.
FUN 600-13 20,10 Volt 25,20 A 23927 U/min 507 Watt 1161 gr.
FUN 600-13 20,60 Volt 27,00 A 24817 U/min 556 Watt 1259 gr.
FUN 600-13 22,50 Volt 32,20 A 26958 U/min 725 Watt 1431 gr.

I was out of batteries, i need to get 24 and 30 cell packs....

FUN 600-17 8,10 Volt 10,60 A 13340 U/min 86 Watt 1700 U/Volt 302 gr.
FUN 600-17 10,00 Volt 14,10 A 15210 U/min 141 Watt 455 gr.
FUN 600-17 11,20 Volt 15,50 A 17003 U/min 174 Watt 559 gr.
FUN 600-17 12,10 Volt 18,20 A 18860 U/min 220 Watt 683 gr.
FUN 600-17 13,30 Volt 25,40 A 20688 U/min 338 Watt 806 gr.
FUN 600-17 16,40 Volt 33,00 A 25100 U/min 541 Watt 1208 gr.
FUN 600-17 18,00 Volt 38,00 A 26789 U/min 684 Watt 1387 gr.
FUN 600-17 19,30 Volt 43,70 A 28730 U/min 843 Watt 1591 gr.
FUN 600-17 19,80 Volt 47,60 A 29500 U/min 942 Watt 1650 gr.

All measure with Beat50-8-30 and 65cm cables


Schuebi

FUN 500-24 7,70 Volt 19,90 A 17051 U/min 153 Watt 2400 U/Volt 524 gr.
FUN 500-24 8,90 Volt 24,70 A 18690 U/min 220 Watt 658 gr.
FUN 500-24 10,20 Volt 25,30 A 20004 U/min 258 Watt 757 gr.
FUN 500-24 12,00 Volt 38,10 A 23754 U/min 457 Watt 1040 gr.
FUN 500-24 12,60 Volt 41,20 A 24880 U/min 519 Watt 1142 gr.
FUN 500-24 13,00 Volt 46,50 A 25776 U/min 605 Watt 13,80 Volt 53,00 A 27115 U/min 731 Watt 1410 gr.


FUN 600-13 7 Sanyo. 8,60 Volt 4,90 A 10885 U/min 42 Watt 1300 U/Volt 207 gr.
FUN 600-13 8 Sanyo. 9,80 Volt 6,20 A 12866 U/min 61 Watt 287 gr.
FUN 600-13 11,20 Volt 8,10 A 14855 U/min 91 Watt 394 gr.
FUN 600-13 12,60 Volt 9,30 A 15577 U/min 117 Watt 492 gr.
FUN 600-13 14,50 Volt 12,10 A 18003 U/min 175 Watt 594 gr.
FUN 600-13 18,20 Volt 18,70 A 22223 U/min 340 Watt 921 gr.
FUN 600-13 18,90 Volt 19,90 A 23060 U/min 376 Watt 996 gr.
FUN 600-13 20,80 Volt 23,50 A 24877 U/min 489 Watt 1183 gr.
FUN 600-13 22,10 Volt 25,60 A 25775 U/min 566 Watt 1282 gr.
FUN 600-13 23,90 Volt 30,20 A 28290 U/min 722 Watt 1529 gr.
FUN 600-13 28,20 Volt 38,00 A 31452 U/min 1072 Watt 1920 gr.


FUN 600-17 7 Sanyo. 8,10 Volt 8,20 A 12780 U/min 66 Watt 1700 U/Volt 301 gr.
FUN 600-1710,00 Volt 12,10 A 15836 U/min 121 Watt 460 gr.
FUN 600-17 11,20 Volt 14,10 A 17317 U/min 158 Watt 551 gr.
FUN 600-17 12,10 Volt 16,30 A 18723 U/min 197 Watt 640 gr.
FUN 600-17 13,30 Volt 19,10 A 20306 U/min 254 Watt 751 gr.
FUN 600-17 16,40 Volt 28,20 A 24632 U/min 462 Watt 1105 gr.
FUN 600-17 18,00 Volt 33,40 A 26789 U/min 601 Watt 1332 gr.
FUN 600-17 19,30 Volt 39,20 A 28730 U/min 757 Watt 1526 gr.
FUN 600-17 19,80 Volt 40,20 A 29210 U/min 796 Watt 1593 gr.
FUN 600-17 21,20 Volt 46,20 A 31067 U/min 979 Watt 1871 gr.
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Old Feb 04, 2003, 12:59 AM
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... If you are Herb you take Motors with 4700RPm and put 12 zapped batteries in it...
Interesting ... Never used a 4700 motor, did not even know it existed...

We don't use zapped cells either, all our $3 CP 1700 etc cells are directly from our local Sanyo distributor (TNR)...
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Old Feb 04, 2003, 02:06 AM
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I thought u did something like that with a motor from an other manufacturer, my mistake

10 Zapped Rc1600 are like 11 normal batteries. Wanna try? I send you some if you want.
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Old Feb 04, 2003, 05:46 AM
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Herb - Kontronik has 7 new motors within their Fun line - http://www.hoellein.com/websites_neu...untango_eu.htm

My KC F18 is using the Fun400-36/Smile40-6-12 on 10zapped CP1700's - IMO the best compromise between power and duration for typical 480MF's EDFs.

If one want more power get a bigger ESC and a 400-42 or 480-42 will do on 10cells.

So for 480MF I'd stock 400-28 (better for twins), 400-36 , 400-42 and the same kv'd Fun480.

For larger fans go with what Chris said. I'm using a 500-21 i a Schubi with 14-15cells.
For 900+W the larger case 600series are good.

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Old Feb 04, 2003, 05:52 AM
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Re: Kontronick suggestions

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Ok sounds good so far, has anyone out there used one in one of our F-18's ? If so which set up and what were your results? I am looking for a good setip to package as a combo
Here are two combo's, sport and ultimate

Sport:
FanDriveS combo, 400-36/Smile40-6-12 on 10CP1700's 420W peak/350W avg. (~37A)
Ultimate:
Fun480-42 and Beat70-6-12 on 10CP1700s (~55A)

-Haldor
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