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Old Aug 09, 2008, 10:48 AM
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It won't hurt to leave the Panther the same. You might make a footnote about it on the plans and the builder can change it easily if he desires. It's actually less work as conventional too.
Don't take those hot glue birds to SEFF. I have major heat damage to my 120% F-16 from setting out in the sun all day. I was stupid for doing it. At least a weeks work on repairing it. Wing tanks have bubbles and it even swelled and SPLIT! the foam aft turtledeck and the front section under the canopy. Canopy needs ripped off and all that reworked. Really pi$$ed me off.

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Old Aug 09, 2008, 07:39 PM
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Thanks Beanie!

I do the opposite! I use the the rough (ruff) side to the inside leave the skin on so it looks smoother. I don't care about the dimples, you can't see 'em at 50 ft away. I glue edges to rough side so I don't do any peeling. I need to try the hot glue gun. Right now I use 5 min epoxy and UHU mostly.
Build looks great! Thanks for your answer.

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Old Aug 09, 2008, 09:57 PM
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I'm the exact opposite. I went to Lowes today to buy fencing. Naturally I went down the foam aisle. Scored a bundle of fanfold without ANY skin, either side. I pull all the skin off anyway so it just saves me the trouble.

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Old Aug 09, 2008, 10:02 PM
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had to stop skinning to install the servos before i cover everything up. first off, i just threw in a pic showing that i use the hole that is 1cm from the servo pivot point (pic 1). i used 1cm with +/-40degree travel to calculate the other control horns. so, if you're using something different, then the control horn sizes/distances have to be modified.

next, i installed my elevator servo (pic 2). i try to keep the tubing housing as close to the servo as possible without infringing upon the servo arm's movement. that way, the tubing can be braced and reduce slop. i build up a little nest of FFF to support the servo. i use 2 layers and use a brick layer's approach to diffuse stresses.

once that's settled, one aileron servo can go in (pic 3). the next series of 3 pics (pic 4, 5, 6) just show a mini-nest that i use to support the aileron servos. i only used 1 layer because the aileron servos are sitting within the wing layer itsef and that acts as a layer.

after all 3 servos are install, it should look something like pic 7. i made approapriate cuts to route the wiring back to the receiver.

then i plugged everything into the receiver (pic 8). i used some velcro to secure the receiver.
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Old Aug 09, 2008, 10:09 PM
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looking good Ben! i see you have discovered the golden servo...HXT 900...i use them on just about everything!
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Old Aug 10, 2008, 04:07 PM
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excellent work Beanie, I appreciate its work very, I forgive for my weak English
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Old Aug 10, 2008, 05:50 PM
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CN- yeah, gotta love how cheap these servos are. i try and buy in bulk when i can. how is your build coming along?

sartor- thanks! hope you enjoy the rest of the build as she slowly comes along.

didn't get much done this weekend because i was at Thunder Over Michigan on saturday and Michigan Jets rally on Sunday. Thunder Over Michigan was awesome once again. they had 2 ground battle scenes with re-enactors and their US/German/British armor/motorcycles/howitzers/transports with 4 P-47's flying air cover. it was amazing. i missed the morning re-enactment. i think that one had an Me-109 flying air cover for the Germans. between the 2 re-enactments, as part of the aerial show, they had 3 C-47/DC-3's done up in invasion stripes fly overhead. there were 16 re-enactors that simulated a drop from a static line using the old round parachutes used in WWII. that was an amazing sight. i attached a few pics i took.
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Old Aug 10, 2008, 08:29 PM
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Man, I need a MIG-17 to go with my 15!

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Old Aug 10, 2008, 09:05 PM
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-17 plans are a comin'!! gonna try and work on calculating some of the skins tonight.

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Old Aug 11, 2008, 12:39 AM
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Great biuld Beanie ! Glad to see that you are using Protection Board 111 ( I think ) I'm all out of Blue Core and was wondering about PB 111.

Those pictures that you took of todays airshow are Priceless !!! Look at the second picture of the C 47 dropping jumpers. Now look at the very bottom near the center of the picture. See that Funny looking canopy ? Thats a geniune MALFUNTION! We call that a " Line Over " these days , but in WW2 they called it a " May West " ! BTW those canopies are T-10's , still used by the Army today. Thier are no airworthy WW2 parachutes left. How do I know all of this? Next Tuesday will mark my 38th anniversary of Sky Diving ! And I am an FAA Senior Parachute Rigger.

Back on topic , I'm leaning with C/N on the EDF Thing , I'm converting my second SkyRay built from his plans to EDF, its been quite a journey , but am heading toward the home stretch I think ! Once you get your feet wet with this EDF thing ( well a little more wet !! ) I think you'll be just fine !

Blue Skies ............R Dub
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Old Aug 11, 2008, 12:46 AM
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Love that Mig 17!!
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Old Aug 11, 2008, 01:11 AM
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Ben, im hoping to start cutting foam this week...i wan to make sure ive got the edf part worked out before i begin to cut. the good news is, ive got all the elec to get it in the ait...JS1400, HET fan, HET gear coming, and ive got the foam, and the rest so once i fire up production, it wont take too long ive been studying the plans, and trying figure out my final changes its going to be awsome, im itching to start it!
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Old Aug 11, 2008, 07:34 AM
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Incredible work, beanie!

Im very interested in the 17 as well.

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Old Aug 11, 2008, 12:27 PM
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Hallo Beanie !

I`m very interested too for the Mig 17....... and the Mig 15....... and the Panther....... and Cougar....... and the F-111 Aardvark....... and the de Havilland Mosquito....... and the F-105D Thud....... and the Mig-25 Foxbat....... and the Mig-23 Flogger....... and the Boeing 727??????? and I hope that my Mig-21 Fishbed will fly great.

Great work all the time Beanie !

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Old Aug 11, 2008, 01:30 PM
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I canīt wait to see the MiG-17 RTF, Ben!!

The heritage flight picture is my favorite one!!
Ohh, .. but the first picture is hard to bite for me.
They are much too close together and donīt use the natural cover.

Greetings
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