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Old Jan 30, 2003, 03:32 AM
Guzzler
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Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and it
doesn't
start.I am pissed with this engine!
I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
correcty
installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and connect
the
glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
should start.

Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the 3-4
first
times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in the
airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is not
heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
fuel.Even
fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the carburator.What
the
hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it impossible to
start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?

thanks a lot,
Guzzler
Old Jan 30, 2003, 06:02 AM
Fred Hambrecht Sr
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

You say, "I am sure it is glowing". How are you sure? What are you using for
the power for the glow plug?

An engine only needs 3 things to run Fuel, Air, and an ignition source. You
stated that their was plenty of fuel, unless you are on another planet we
can assume air is present. That leaves the ignition source.

The glow plug should be an orange color when properly heated. Remove the
glowplug and attach your battery and check it. Then either get a correct
battery or a new glowplug. Even if the mixture is wrong, if you managed to
get fuel in the engine, you should hear it attempt to run. At least you
should get a pop or two indicating it was trying to run.


"Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2ff8be1.0301300022.3b176e55@posting.google.co m...
> I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
> start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and it
> doesn't
> start.I am pissed with this engine!
> I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
> correcty
> installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
> Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
> anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and connect
> the
> glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
> anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
> should start.
>
> Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the 3-4
> first
> times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in the
> airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is not
> heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
> fuel.Even
> fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the carburator.What
> the
> hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it impossible to
> start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?
>
> thanks a lot,
> Guzzler



Old Jan 30, 2003, 02:02 PM
Dr1Driver
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

>I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
>start the engine but NOTHING


Leave the idle needle alone. Open the high speed needle about 2 turns. Choke
the engine 3-5 turns with the throttle fully open. Choking at idle does
nothing. Close the throttle until you have about a 1/16"-3/32" opening. Using
a FULLY CHARGED glow battery, light the plug and spin the engine with an
electric starter. If it doesn't start, pack it up and send it back.
Dr.1 Driver
"There's a Hun in the sun!"
Old Jan 30, 2003, 02:32 PM
Guzzler
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

Yes that's what I mean.I removed it and I checked it.I was glowing
like the sun.I could hear the fuel in the engine but I cannot
understand the sound of "trying to start".Probably it is not doing
it.How many turns should the engine turn to start?I am able to do only
one with the stick.Tried every speed.
I even droped drops of fuel directly on the cylinder,NOTHING.I ll keep
trying. The thing is that I don't know anybody here who can help
me,and the club is quit far without a car.



"Fred Hambrecht Sr" <w4jle@charter.net> wrote in message news:<v3i16a2ub5l6df@corp.supernews.com>...
> You say, "I am sure it is glowing". How are you sure? What are you using for
> the power for the glow plug?
>
> An engine only needs 3 things to run Fuel, Air, and an ignition source. You
> stated that their was plenty of fuel, unless you are on another planet we
> can assume air is present. That leaves the ignition source.
>
> The glow plug should be an orange color when properly heated. Remove the
> glowplug and attach your battery and check it. Then either get a correct
> battery or a new glowplug. Even if the mixture is wrong, if you managed to
> get fuel in the engine, you should hear it attempt to run. At least you
> should get a pop or two indicating it was trying to run.
>
>
> "Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2ff8be1.0301300022.3b176e55@posting.google.co m...
> > I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
> > start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and it
> > doesn't
> > start.I am pissed with this engine!
> > I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
> > correcty
> > installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
> > Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
> > anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and connect
> > the
> > glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
> > anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
> > should start.
> >
> > Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the 3-4
> > first
> > times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in the
> > airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is not
> > heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
> > fuel.Even
> > fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the carburator.What
> > the
> > hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it impossible to
> > start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?
> >
> > thanks a lot,
> > Guzzler

Old Jan 30, 2003, 02:32 PM
Fred Hambrecht Sr
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

Your running to rich and flooding. Removing the muffler leaned it out.

"Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2ff8be1.0301301057.484517f1@posting.google.co m...
> I ve got some progress.I did again and agian anything but nothing.I
> thought removing the muffler.The engine started easily!(Too loud sound
> of course).I cut it off and I tried the normal way.Agian nothing.The
> engine didn't appear trying to start like without the muffler.I
> started once with the muffler but with the pipe disconected.Is
> something with the presure?What is it suposed to be like the whole
> thing with the muffler.The pipe going from the muffler to the engine
> should be a metalic pipe going to the top of the tunk,Am i right?I
> used both pipes,the one of the muffler and the optinal one for
> refuling which i used to have it shild for leaks.The third was going
> down but I turn it going up to di the job.Nothing again.The muffler
> looks just fine.I blow in and the air is coming out.I don't thingh
> there is anything else I can test with the muffler.
> Any IDEAS?
>
>
> "Fred Hambrecht Sr" <w4jle@charter.net> wrote in message

news:<v3i16a2ub5l6df@corp.supernews.com>...
> > You say, "I am sure it is glowing". How are you sure? What are you using

for
> > the power for the glow plug?
> >
> > An engine only needs 3 things to run Fuel, Air, and an ignition source.

You
> > stated that their was plenty of fuel, unless you are on another planet

we
> > can assume air is present. That leaves the ignition source.
> >
> > The glow plug should be an orange color when properly heated. Remove the
> > glowplug and attach your battery and check it. Then either get a correct
> > battery or a new glowplug. Even if the mixture is wrong, if you managed

to
> > get fuel in the engine, you should hear it attempt to run. At least you
> > should get a pop or two indicating it was trying to run.
> >
> >
> > "Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:2ff8be1.0301300022.3b176e55@posting.google.co m...
> > > I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
> > > start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and it
> > > doesn't
> > > start.I am pissed with this engine!
> > > I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
> > > correcty
> > > installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
> > > Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
> > > anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and connect
> > > the
> > > glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
> > > anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
> > > should start.
> > >
> > > Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the 3-4
> > > first
> > > times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in the
> > > airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is not
> > > heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
> > > fuel.Even
> > > fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the carburator.What
> > > the
> > > hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it impossible to
> > > start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?
> > >
> > > thanks a lot,
> > > Guzzler



Old Jan 30, 2003, 03:22 PM
Guzzler
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

I ve got some progress.I did again and agian anything but nothing.I
thought removing the muffler.The engine started easily!(Too loud sound
of course).I cut it off and I tried the normal way.Agian nothing.The
engine didn't appear trying to start like without the muffler.I
started once with the muffler but with the pipe disconected.Is
something with the presure?What is it suposed to be like the whole
thing with the muffler.The pipe going from the muffler to the engine
should be a metalic pipe going to the top of the tunk,Am i right?I
used both pipes,the one of the muffler and the optinal one for
refuling which i used to have it shild for leaks.The third was going
down but I turn it going up to di the job.Nothing again.The muffler
looks just fine.I blow in and the air is coming out.I don't thingh
there is anything else I can test with the muffler.
Any IDEAS?


"Fred Hambrecht Sr" <w4jle@charter.net> wrote in message news:<v3i16a2ub5l6df@corp.supernews.com>...
> You say, "I am sure it is glowing". How are you sure? What are you using for
> the power for the glow plug?
>
> An engine only needs 3 things to run Fuel, Air, and an ignition source. You
> stated that their was plenty of fuel, unless you are on another planet we
> can assume air is present. That leaves the ignition source.
>
> The glow plug should be an orange color when properly heated. Remove the
> glowplug and attach your battery and check it. Then either get a correct
> battery or a new glowplug. Even if the mixture is wrong, if you managed to
> get fuel in the engine, you should hear it attempt to run. At least you
> should get a pop or two indicating it was trying to run.
>
>
> "Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2ff8be1.0301300022.3b176e55@posting.google.co m...
> > I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
> > start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and it
> > doesn't
> > start.I am pissed with this engine!
> > I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
> > correcty
> > installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
> > Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
> > anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and connect
> > the
> > glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
> > anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
> > should start.
> >
> > Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the 3-4
> > first
> > times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in the
> > airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is not
> > heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
> > fuel.Even
> > fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the carburator.What
> > the
> > hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it impossible to
> > start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?
> >
> > thanks a lot,
> > Guzzler

Old Jan 30, 2003, 06:12 PM
Lee Jarvis
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

I bought an Irvine .46 about 18 months ago for a Somethin' Extra. I was
impressed with how easily it started - right out of the box. An altogether
delightful engine. I may never buy another O.S.

Try choking the carb with your finger and turning the prop 3-5 times with
the throttle wide open, not at idle. Trying to choke with the throttle
closed will not work.

Good luck!


"Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2ff8be1.0301300022.3b176e55@posting.google.co m...
> I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
> start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and it
> doesn't
> start.I am pissed with this engine!
> I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
> correcty
> installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
> Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
> anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and connect
> the
> glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
> anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
> should start.
>
> Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the 3-4
> first
> times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in the
> airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is not
> heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
> fuel.Even
> fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the carburator.What
> the
> hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it impossible to
> start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?
>
> thanks a lot,
> Guzzler
>



Old Jan 30, 2003, 07:32 PM
Guzzler
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

I see,I let too much fuel to get into the carb.But what do you mean
"removing the muffler leaned it out"?What should I do to avoid it?I
tried with leaner mixture through the mixture needle but the same.


"Fred Hambrecht Sr" <w4jle@charter.net> wrote in message news:<v3itk7hnldk41f@corp.supernews.com>...
> Your running to rich and flooding. Removing the muffler leaned it out.
>
> "Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2ff8be1.0301301057.484517f1@posting.google.co m...
> > I ve got some progress.I did again and agian anything but nothing.I
> > thought removing the muffler.The engine started easily!(Too loud sound
> > of course).I cut it off and I tried the normal way.Agian nothing.The
> > engine didn't appear trying to start like without the muffler.I
> > started once with the muffler but with the pipe disconected.Is
> > something with the presure?What is it suposed to be like the whole
> > thing with the muffler.The pipe going from the muffler to the engine
> > should be a metalic pipe going to the top of the tunk,Am i right?I
> > used both pipes,the one of the muffler and the optinal one for
> > refuling which i used to have it shild for leaks.The third was going
> > down but I turn it going up to di the job.Nothing again.The muffler
> > looks just fine.I blow in and the air is coming out.I don't thingh
> > there is anything else I can test with the muffler.
> > Any IDEAS?
> >
> >
> > "Fred Hambrecht Sr" <w4jle@charter.net> wrote in message

> news:<v3i16a2ub5l6df@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > You say, "I am sure it is glowing". How are you sure? What are you using

> for
> > > the power for the glow plug?
> > >
> > > An engine only needs 3 things to run Fuel, Air, and an ignition source.

> You
> > > stated that their was plenty of fuel, unless you are on another planet

> we
> > > can assume air is present. That leaves the ignition source.
> > >
> > > The glow plug should be an orange color when properly heated. Remove the
> > > glowplug and attach your battery and check it. Then either get a correct
> > > battery or a new glowplug. Even if the mixture is wrong, if you managed

> to
> > > get fuel in the engine, you should hear it attempt to run. At least you
> > > should get a pop or two indicating it was trying to run.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:2ff8be1.0301300022.3b176e55@posting.google.co m...
> > > > I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
> > > > start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and it
> > > > doesn't
> > > > start.I am pissed with this engine!
> > > > I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
> > > > correcty
> > > > installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
> > > > Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
> > > > anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and connect
> > > > the
> > > > glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
> > > > anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
> > > > should start.
> > > >
> > > > Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the 3-4
> > > > first
> > > > times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in the
> > > > airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is not
> > > > heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
> > > > fuel.Even
> > > > fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the carburator.What
> > > > the
> > > > hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it impossible to
> > > > start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?
> > > >
> > > > thanks a lot,
> > > > Guzzler

Old Jan 30, 2003, 08:32 PM
Fubar
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

Are you sure the glowplug is good, the glow igniter is good, and you are
getting a good glow? From your posting, it sounds like something you didnt
check. You say you removed it but never mentioned testing it.
--
Dan
AMA605992
I've heard the screams of the vegetables.
http://fubar1.freeservers.com
"Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2ff8be1.0301300022.3b176e55@posting.google.co m...
> I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
> start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and it
> doesn't
> start.I am pissed with this engine!
> I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
> correcty
> installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
> Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
> anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and connect
> the
> glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
> anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
> should start.
>
> Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the 3-4
> first
> times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in the
> airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is not
> heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
> fuel.Even
> fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the carburator.What
> the
> hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it impossible to
> start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?
>
> thanks a lot,
> Guzzler



Old Jan 31, 2003, 03:02 AM
Guzzler
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

Of course I tested.I plug it on the starter and watch the glow for
several seconds.It is medium F5 model technics.I tested for more than
three times to be sure.

"Fubar" <Fubar1@socal.rr.comme> wrote in message news:<C8k_9.45225$h9.11766421@twister.socal.rr.com >...
> Are you sure the glowplug is good, the glow igniter is good, and you are
> getting a good glow? From your posting, it sounds like something you didnt
> check. You say you removed it but never mentioned testing it.
> --
> Dan
> AMA605992
> I've heard the screams of the vegetables.
> http://fubar1.freeservers.com
> "Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2ff8be1.0301300022.3b176e55@posting.google.co m...
> > I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
> > start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and it
> > doesn't
> > start.I am pissed with this engine!
> > I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
> > correcty
> > installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
> > Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
> > anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and connect
> > the
> > glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
> > anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
> > should start.
> >
> > Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the 3-4
> > first
> > times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in the
> > airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is not
> > heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
> > fuel.Even
> > fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the carburator.What
> > the
> > hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it impossible to
> > start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?
> >
> > thanks a lot,
> > Guzzler

Old Jan 31, 2003, 08:42 AM
Mathew Kirsch
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk (Guzzler) wrote in message news:<2ff8be1.0301301620.46c8b0a4@posting.google.c om>...
> I see,I let too much fuel to get into the carb.But what do you mean
> "removing the muffler leaned it out"?What should I do to avoid it?I
> tried with leaner mixture through the mixture needle but the same.


The muffler provides pressure to the fuel tank through the tube that
connects them. That pressure helps the carburetor get an even flow of
fuel in the air when the plane is going every which way. When you
removed that pressure, you cut the flow of fuel to the carburetor by
about half, the same as you would if you closed the needle valve.

Everyone says that all an engine needs is air, fuel and fire to run.
Well, if you have too much fuel, it doesn't matter how much fire and
air you've got. That engine isn't going to run for love or money. The
excess fuel will put the fire out and all you'll have left is wet
air...

How many turns open is the main needle valve? Many engine
manufacturers will tell you to open the needle valve 3, 4 or even 5
turns for the first start. I have never been able to get an engine to
start with the needle valve open more than 2 turns. My first engine
gave me several hours of grief because the instructions said to open
the needle valve 2-1/2 turns. It would not run, let alone fire. In
desperation, I started closing the needle valve a little at a time,
and as I closed the needle valve, the engine started to run for brief
moments. When it finally caught and ran, guess where the needle valve
was set... It was exactly two turns out. I've used that setting on
every engine I've owned since, and it's never failed.
Old Jan 31, 2003, 09:42 AM
TX_QBALL@webtv.net
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

The only thing that caught my eye was the choking..You said you put your
finger over the opening with the throttle closed.It's suppose to be open
(wide open) and as soon as you suck fuel into the carb then you close
it. Then open it slightly when your ready to try and start it.The high
speed needle should be open a couple of rounds or slightly less.
This one really sounds like a mystery.I have a 53 and it starts super
easy.Best engine I've had and with a 10X6,a real screamer..Good
luck...Walt

Old Feb 01, 2003, 01:32 PM
Guzzler
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

I repeat.I tested it.I removed the glow plug,I attached it to the
starter with the battery and it was glowing.I waited for more than 10
sec and was glowing the same and even more after a while.I don't think
I can test anything more.
I decided it.On tuesday,I ll take it to the local model shop,the
engine and the fuselage. It is 25 minites walk but there is nothing
else I can do. At least he will know, he can tell me what is wrong and
if the engine is failed, so I ll return it and have a new one.




"Fubar" <Fubar1@socal.rr.comme> wrote in message news:<C8k_9.45225$h9.11766421@twister.socal.rr.com >...
> Are you sure the glowplug is good, the glow igniter is good, and you are
> getting a good glow? From your posting, it sounds like something you didnt
> check. You say you removed it but never mentioned testing it.
> --
> Dan
> AMA605992
> I've heard the screams of the vegetables.
> http://fubar1.freeservers.com
> "Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2ff8be1.0301300022.3b176e55@posting.google.co m...
> > I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
> > start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and it
> > doesn't
> > start.I am pissed with this engine!
> > I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
> > correcty
> > installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
> > Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
> > anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and connect
> > the
> > glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
> > anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
> > should start.
> >
> > Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the 3-4
> > first
> > times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in the
> > airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is not
> > heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
> > fuel.Even
> > fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the carburator.What
> > the
> > hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it impossible to
> > start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?
> >
> > thanks a lot,
> > Guzzler

Old Feb 04, 2003, 09:42 PM
Penguin254
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Re: Problem irvine 46 ABC MK3 first time start.

Sounds like you might want to try removing the baffel in the muffler to get
it to run. It will still be louder than with the full muffler, but it iwll
be a whole lot more quiet than an open head.
It dies strike me as odd that the thing won't run though. I would get with
one of hte engine guru's at the local hobby shop or the flying field and see
what they have to say.
Mark

"Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2ff8be1.0301301620.46c8b0a4@posting.google.co m...
> I see,I let too much fuel to get into the carb.But what do you mean
> "removing the muffler leaned it out"?What should I do to avoid it?I
> tried with leaner mixture through the mixture needle but the same.
>
>
> "Fred Hambrecht Sr" <w4jle@charter.net> wrote in message

news:<v3itk7hnldk41f@corp.supernews.com>...
> > Your running to rich and flooding. Removing the muffler leaned it out.
> >
> > "Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:2ff8be1.0301301057.484517f1@posting.google.co m...
> > > I ve got some progress.I did again and agian anything but nothing.I
> > > thought removing the muffler.The engine started easily!(Too loud sound
> > > of course).I cut it off and I tried the normal way.Agian nothing.The
> > > engine didn't appear trying to start like without the muffler.I
> > > started once with the muffler but with the pipe disconected.Is
> > > something with the presure?What is it suposed to be like the whole
> > > thing with the muffler.The pipe going from the muffler to the engine
> > > should be a metalic pipe going to the top of the tunk,Am i right?I
> > > used both pipes,the one of the muffler and the optinal one for
> > > refuling which i used to have it shild for leaks.The third was going
> > > down but I turn it going up to di the job.Nothing again.The muffler
> > > looks just fine.I blow in and the air is coming out.I don't thingh
> > > there is anything else I can test with the muffler.
> > > Any IDEAS?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Fred Hambrecht Sr" <w4jle@charter.net> wrote in message

> > news:<v3i16a2ub5l6df@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > > You say, "I am sure it is glowing". How are you sure? What are you

using
> > for
> > > > the power for the glow plug?
> > > >
> > > > An engine only needs 3 things to run Fuel, Air, and an ignition

source.
> > You
> > > > stated that their was plenty of fuel, unless you are on another

planet
> > we
> > > > can assume air is present. That leaves the ignition source.
> > > >
> > > > The glow plug should be an orange color when properly heated. Remove

the
> > > > glowplug and attach your battery and check it. Then either get a

correct
> > > > battery or a new glowplug. Even if the mixture is wrong, if you

managed
> > to
> > > > get fuel in the engine, you should hear it attempt to run. At least

you
> > > > should get a pop or two indicating it was trying to run.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Guzzler" <beros_abdn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > news:2ff8be1.0301300022.3b176e55@posting.google.co m...
> > > > > I was working all day on my plane and is ready.I tried to
> > > > > start the engine but NOTHING.I am trying the last 30 minutes and

it
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > start.I am pissed with this engine!
> > > > > I mounted the fuel tank.The engine is mounted too and the pipes
> > > > > correcty
> > > > > installed.I followed the instuctions which are:
> > > > > Place your finger in the carb. air intaker and turn 3-4 times
> > > > > anticlockwise(with no throutle).Place the throutle in 1/4 and

connect
> > > > > the
> > > > > glow starter.(I am sure it is glowing).smartly flip the propeller
> > > > > anticlockwise with a chicken-stick or electric starter.The engine
> > > > > should start.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well it's not.I have tried any other combination.No fliping the

3-4
> > > > > first
> > > > > times without starter,different heigh of fuel tank.Droping fuel in

the
> > > > > airtaker.(advice in instruction in case it is not starting.)It is

not
> > > > > heledric block,cause I removed the glow plug and I remove the
> > > > > fuel.Even
> > > > > fliping clockwise which makes the fuel jump from the

carburator.What
> > > > > the
> > > > > hell am I doing wrong?Does anybody own this engine?Is it

impossible to
> > > > > start it without an electric starter? Is that the problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks a lot,
> > > > > Guzzler



 


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