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Old Aug 14, 2008, 12:19 AM
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The prop is a microinvent prop and I got it at http://airmidimicros.com/MIProps.htm. The prop I got on there was:


Prop Description:
Maximum Diameter: 127 mm (5.0")
Prop Gradient: 76 mm (3.0")
Weight: 0.35 g
Hole Diameter: 1.0 mm
Maximum Thrust: 25 g
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Old Aug 14, 2008, 07:21 AM
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vapor thrust

Over in the ParkZone Vapor RTF thread:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...7#post10340447
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Yes! on fully charged, mine created 16 grams of thrust, and at near dead it created 11 grams, making my vapor hover. can all of your vapors hover? or is mine a fluke?
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Old Aug 16, 2008, 10:32 PM
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Hey Ched
Did you ever get your landing gear fixed? If so, can you provide any helpful hints on the process? I'm new to this like you and am a bit intimidated by pulling off the front motor and gear. Any help on fixing a broken landing gear would be most appreciated.
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Old Aug 17, 2008, 02:09 AM
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The entire airframe is held together by CA, so parkzone will say to use debonder... problem is debonder is going to melt the plastic of the gearbox, it doesn't seem to have much of an affect on the carbon though.

If the gearbox is broken then it's not a huge deal because it's going to melt anyways. If it's not broken then your guess is as good as mine
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Old Aug 17, 2008, 01:53 PM
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Does anyone sell rolls of the pet film? Nothing wrong with mine, I would just like a change.
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Old Aug 17, 2008, 09:28 PM
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more thrust please

I would like to get a bit more thrust out of the Vapor.

Has any body looked into using a different Parkzone gearbox on the Vapor?

The Cessna and Citabria seem to have a 4.25:1 (34:8) gearbox (vapor is 6:1 using 48:8 gears). I have not found the ratio for the Ember yet.

Seems the Vapor motor will fit the Cessna and Citabria (CandC) gearbox(s). Vapor motor is supposed to be more powerfull.The Vapor prop will also fit.

The CandC gearbox will need a mount for the Vapor fuselage. The Ember has the same square fuselage. Ember seems to have much more downthrust but that can be hacked.

Thanks, Mitch

PS. Just replaced my prop. Vapor prop measured 0.9g plus 0.3g for the spinner.
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Old Aug 18, 2008, 02:44 AM
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Does anyone sell rolls of the pet film? Nothing wrong with mine, I would just like a change.
I've not done it on any of my planes, but some locals use: Reynolds Color Plastic Wrap (see your local grocery store), held to the airframe with Duck brand blue Glue Stick for ultralight covering. Yes, after they glue it on, they heat shrink it a tiny bit, very carefully. Since it's clear, and it only has a tiny bit of color, you'd have to then figure out a safe way to add your desired color scheme, possibly with colored Sharpies.

To see a clear blue tail of a GymSwallow covered this way, see: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=396

I sure don't want to modify my Vapor while it still flys. But I'd like the tail to look significantly different from the wing. Too often in flight I lose orientation. And when flying several at a time in a gym or similar, it would be nice to have them look different.

Here's an old thread on this covering technique: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=reynolds+wrap They mention planes exploding on impact, so be forewarned!

Do let us know what you try and how it works.

Jim
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Old Aug 18, 2008, 06:03 AM
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I would like to get a bit more thrust out of the Vapor.

Has any body looked into using a different Parkzone gearbox on the Vapor?

The Cessna and Citabria seem to have a 4.25:1 (34:8) gearbox (vapor is 6:1 using 48:8 gears). I have not found the ratio for the Ember yet.
I believe the vapor gets way more thrust than the cessna,citrabria (and probably ember) because of its combination of larger prop and higher gear ratio. If you went to a lower gear ratio with that same large prop you would probably be out of the power band for the motor. Haven't tried different combinations, but the fact that they are getting around 12-14 grams of thrust out of that little 6mm motor tells me it is already pretty darn near optimal. If you wanted more, you'd have to go to an even higher gear ratio and larger prop.

Tim
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Old Aug 18, 2008, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by msburko
I would like to get a bit more thrust out of the Vapor.

Has any body looked into using a different Parkzone gearbox on the Vapor?

The Cessna and Citabria seem to have a 4.25:1 (34:8) gearbox (vapor is 6:1 using 48:8 gears). I have not found the ratio for the Ember yet.

Seems the Vapor motor will fit the Cessna and Citabria (CandC) gearbox(s). Vapor motor is supposed to be more powerfull.The Vapor prop will also fit.

The CandC gearbox will need a mount for the Vapor fuselage. The Ember has the same square fuselage. Ember seems to have much more downthrust but that can be hacked.

Thanks, Mitch

PS. Just replaced my prop. Vapor prop measured 0.9g plus 0.3g for the spinner.
I don't know how to get more thrust but I don't need any now that I have lightened the Vapor. My Vapor will shoot straight up with a dead battery until it hits LVC. Lighten your Vapor just one gram and see the difference!
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Old Aug 18, 2008, 09:29 AM
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Ched,

Could you list the weight saving mods?

Which have the most weight savings?

Which are the easiest/most bang for the buck?

Dan
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Old Aug 18, 2008, 10:34 AM
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Ched,

Could you list the weight saving mods?

Which have the most weight savings?

Which are the easiest/most bang for the buck?

Dan

I'm at work now, so I'm going from memory. I removed the prop spinner .3 grams. I removed the battery tray .3 grams and then you don't need the velcro or battery stickers (.03 grams ) . I use scotch tape. One little piece holds the battery better than the velcro and lasts about 20 or more battery changes. I put my battery behind the brick anyway. I cut half the wing braces away .25 grams. I replaced the wire tail dragger with a carbon fiber one, saved .1 grams. I replaced the wire wrap that holds the battery wires to the fuse. I used unwaxed dental floss, saved maybe .03 grams there. I made new landing gear that saved me .1 grams, not worth the trouble but mine broke anyway. I can use a 50mah havoc heli battery that saved me another .85 grams! The easy ones are the prop spinner, battery tray, wing ribs, and that is about a gram.
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Old Aug 18, 2008, 11:31 AM
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Touch-and-goes off the kiddie pool?

Has anyone besides me thought about making floats for their vapor? Seems like there should be enough thrust to lift off water if you could make the floats light enough.
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Old Aug 18, 2008, 07:59 PM
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Has anyone besides me thought about making floats for their vapor? Seems like there should be enough thrust to lift off water if you could make the floats light enough.
I'm thinking something inflateable. Mylar balloon material maybe?
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Old Aug 18, 2008, 08:31 PM
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Balloons -- great idea! I would have never thought of that.
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Old Aug 18, 2008, 08:44 PM
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Really not that original. Full lotus has been making inflatable floats for full scale aircraft for years. Does anyone here have experience sealing this material together?
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