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Old May 21, 2008, 06:59 AM
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MSH Protos Owners Thread

We have start this thread for Protos owners to talk about their power setup and also to share their findings, problems, and fixes. People will be running this helicopter on everything from 4s up.

The Protos is a 425mm blade helicopter brought to us by MSH. The guys running MSH brought you Gorilla gear/paddles and other Heliup performance upgrades. The Protos is different in many ways some of which are:
  • All Belt Driven
  • Light Weight Composite
  • One-Way Bearing in Pinion

As much as possible stories and conversations should be centered around the Protos. Vendors are welcome to comment and share, but please no blatant advertisement. I reserve the right to update this post with more guidelines for this thread.

Please share with me in PM any information I might find useful and anything that you think is wrong concerning this thread. I will do my best.

Have fun!

J

Thanks kgfly, Hoverup, RealRaptors, and Corrado
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Old May 21, 2008, 07:00 AM
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A list of power setups (battery, motor, servos, pinion, HS...) in an almost standard format
So you can contact people with setups like yours:

HighFreq
Stock Motor 15T Pinion
6S 2500 Flightpower
3x9650 Servos
Spartan + 9257 on tail
MSH prototype ESC
Peak at 1264 Watts

JGoodwin
JR DS3405MG Cyclic
Hitec HSG5083mg Tail
Hitec HG5000 Gyro
Align 60a
Hyperion 4a BEC (removed)
Stock Motor W/ 15T Pinion
2250 6s lipo
Grounded: Tail Boom and Motor Mount to Neg.

jdanks
Futaba 9650 cyclic
Futaba 9257 Tail
Futaba GY401 Gyro
Hobbywing Pentium 60A ESC
Stock Motor W/ 15T Pinion
6S A123 Battery

geneween
9650's
DS760 / 9254
AR6200
Align 100A ESC
Kool Flight 6V BEC
Scorpion 1000kv motor
Two thunder power 2150's 6S
RFT weight :1580g (3.4ish lbs)

Kepler
Cyclic: Hyperion HP-DS13TCB Programmable Digital
Tail: Hyperion HP-DS12GCP Programmable Digital
Futaba 401 Gyro
Align 60A ESC with built in BEC
Z20 980 kv motor
18 tooth pinion
Hyperion 3700 mah 4S pack.
RFT weight :1495g (3.3lbs)

cfrank2005
Scorpion COMMANDER 26v 90A ESC SBEC
Scorpion SCHK3026-1000Kv Motor
AR7000 Rx
Ino-lab HGD-250MG on the swash
Futaba GY401 & 9257 combo for the tail
Spectrum DX7 Tx

Mashem Marv
Stock motor
5s tp 3300 batts
fut9650 servos for swash
401gyro with 9650 on rudder holds like a rock almost scary
40-6-18 kontronik
ultimate bec
5min 2800mh
18th pinion
weighs 3.52lb or 1598g

kth
Cyclic servo: Ino Labs HG-D251MG cyclic
Tail servo: Ino Labs HG-D261HB
Gyro: Spartan DS760
Speed control: Castle Creations 60
BEC: Dimension engineering SportBEC

buzzsaw 46
3x S3155 cyclic
KO PROPO PDS-3014 tail servo
LGT-2100T gyro
Stock motor
JR 790 RX
SJM 60a ESC
6s FP EVO light 2100's or 6-7s A123's

Ted U
JR z3650s
9257 tail servo
Jazz 55 with CC BEC
VBar
Stock motor w/ 15T
TPX 2600 6S V2s

JiriK
Align 75A esc (Not happy with turnigy)
Castle bec
6S A123
Stock motor
HG-D260HB cyclic servos
Spartan ds760 + S9257 servo
AR6200 rx.

laughingstill
Protos kit with blades (SAB) and motor (Lipotech)
Align 60 amp ESC running @ 6v
Ino Labs HG-D251MG HT Metal Gear Digital Cyclic
Ino Labs HG-D261HB High Performance Digital Tail Servo
GY401
Spektrum Ar 6200 rx
2x FP EVO 3s 2200 (in series for a 6s setup)

mahbouni
Stock motor + 15T pinion
2 x TPV2 3s 2600mAh (in series)
Kontronik Jive 80+ LV
Spartan ds760 gyro
JR DS3500G tail servo
JR DS3405 cyclic

McLaren
Cyclic: HS-5085MG
ESC: Scorpion Commander 60A (no soft start!)
Gyro / Tail Servo: D770 / 3500G
Battery: 6s FP EVO light 2500
Pinion: 15 tooth
Rx: Spectrum 6200
ST2 flat 95% with 2830HS
Tail grounded with SS shim stock and wire from tail box to motor mount


Clicky
Stock Protos
Align 60 amp ESC running @ 5v (for now - because of S9257)
HS5245MG for cyclic
S9257 + GY401 on tail
Spektrum Ar 6200 rx
2x any 3s ... in series

Wesp
Infinity CF frame
MKS 9660 on cyclic
CSM 720 + Ino Labs HG-D261HB
CC60 + CC BEC
7S A123
Ar6100E
2800HS governed on 16T pinion
5:20 flight time
1730g RTF
lubed belt

Mrktplayer
Scorpion 3026 1000kv + 15T
Jazz 55 + external BEC
JR Z3650 Cyclic @6v
Spartan Ds760
Futaba 9257 on tail @5v
FP 6S 2500
Mods:
K&B Trex500 dampeners
3K tail blades
Ground from tail boom to motor mount


RCHeliForum
Stock Motor 15T Pinion
6S 2500 Flightpower EVO
3 x JR DS3517 Servos
JR G7703D Gyro + JR DS3500G on tail
Align 60A ESC

Speed Stick 3D
Plastic Protos (Tail boom grounded)
Stock motor/15T pinion
MKS 9670A+ cyclic servos
JR 3517 Tail servo
PG800 Gyro
Castle Creations Ice 75 Lite

Note: anybody who wants their setup information here should PM me. It will only be added if it is sufficiently different than other setups. If your setup is the same as another user I will just add your name. This is all so people can contact you for help, not so you can show off. -J
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Old May 21, 2008, 07:01 AM
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A list of servos known to fit swash:
Code:
MSH Protos (500-class) Swash Servo Roundup
==========================================
kgfly, 29 Apr 2009


--------  ---------  ---  -----  -----  ------  ---- ---- -------  ----
Mfr       Model      Ftr  W (g)  Speed  Torque   H    L    W (mm)  USD$
--------  ---------  ---  -----  -----  ------  ---- ---- -------  ----
Align     DS510      DP?  25.9   0.13    3.7    29.2 35   15        45
          DS520      DP?  25.9   0.09    1.9    29.2 35   15        45
--------  ---------  ---  -----  -----  ------  ---- ---- -------  ----
Futaba    S9257      DP2  26     0.08    2.0    28.6 35.5 15        65
          S9650      DP2  26     0.14    3.6    28.6 35.5 15        55
          S3155      DP2  18     0.15    1.5    29   30   11        29
--------  ---------  ---  -----  -----  ------  ---- ---- -------  ----
HiTec     HS-81MG    AM0  19.6   0.12    2.3    30   30   12        22
          HS-82MG    AM0  19     0.11    2.6    30   30   12        22
          HS-85MG    AM1  22.3   0.16    3.0    30   29   13        31
          HS-5085MG  DM2  21.9   0.17    3.6    30   29   13        47
          HS-5245MG  DM2  32     0.15    4.4    32   31   17        45
--------  ---------  ---  -----  -----  ------  ---- ---- -------  ----
Hyperion  DS12ACB    DP1  16.9   0.16    2.6    26.0 29.5 12        35
          DS13ACB    DP1  17.9   0.16    2.6    27.6 29.5 13        45
          DS13TCB    DP1  17.9   0.20    3.6    27.6 29.5 13        52
          DS13TMB    DP1  19.2   0.20    3.6    27.6 29.5 13        52
--------  ---------  ---  -----  -----  ------  ---- ---- -------  ----
InoLabs   HG-D251MG  DM1  24.4   0.15    4.8    33.3 31.5 13.0      65
          HG-D260HB  DP1  16.9   0.12    2.4    31.5 30.0 13.0      51
          HG-D260MG  DM1  20.6   0.16    3.4    31.5 30.0 13.0      58
--------  ---------  ---  -----  -----  ------  ---- ---- -------  ----
JR        Z3650      DM2  29.5   0.09    3.0    25.9 33.0 14.7      75
          DS3400G    DP2  29     0.11    3.7    25.9 33.0 14.7      75
          DS3405     DP2  30     0.13    2.8    26.5 33.0 15.0     Ģ50
--------  ---------  ---  -----  -----  ------  ---- ---- -------  ----
MKS       DS9660     DM2  35     0.12    3.8    28.6 35.5 15        50
          DS9670     DM2  28     0.09    2.2    28.6 35.5 15        50
--------  ---------  ---  -----  -----  ------  ---- ---- -------  ----
SJM       SDG-502MG  DM1  21.6   0.16    2.7    31.5 30.0 13.0      40
--------  ---------  ---  -----  -----  ------  ---- ---- -------  ----

Notes:
a) Speed & Torque shown is for 4.8V
b) "Ftr" = "Feature" = Digital/Analog (D/A), Plastic/Metal gears (D/P), No. of ball bearings (0/1/2)
   so AM0 = Analog, Metal gear, 0 ball bearing and DP2 = Digital, Plastic gears, 2 ball bearings
   
Opinions
========
Based on what I have learned, my suggestions for swash servos would be:

-----------------------------------  ----------------  ----------------------
Priorities                           Servo              g   s    kg.cm   USD$
-----------------------------------  ----------------  ----------------------
weight + performance + price         Hyperion DS13ACB  18  0.16   2.6     45
price  + performance + weight        Align    DS510    26  0.13   3.7     45
MG     + price       + performance   MKS      9660     35  0.12   3.8     50
-----------------------------------  ----------------  ----------------------
speed  + price                       Align    DS520    26  0.09   1.9     45
speed  + MG          + price         MKS      9670     28  0.09   2.2     50
-----------------------------------  ----------------  ----------------------

The JR DSxxxx servos are much admired but for me too expensive when there
are so many other good candidates that are significantly cheaper.
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A list of main and tail blades known to fit:

Need Info...

Data:

Tailblade size: 65mm T/R blade span (4mm root thickness) (MSH Gorilla tail blades included in kit)

Mainblade size: 415mm-430mm (9.16mm root thickness) (3mm mounting holes) (SAB 425 Carbon Fiber blades included in kit)
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Useful Websites:

MSH Plastic Link Tutorial
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=869412

MSH

MSH Protos 3D e-heli (425mm mains) Build & Review

Design Thread:
***** New 500 Size Electric Helicopter by MSH *****
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My kit has been shipped from Realraptors. Should be here tomorrow, but ahhh no 16/17T pinions yet. Damn.
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MSH 500 Protos Original Specifications
kgfly, 19 June 2008

- Main blade: 415mm-430mm (9.16mm root thickness) EDIT: 10mm grips now available
- Tail blade: 65mm (4mm root thickness)
- Flybar: 2mm x 280mm with Gorilla Gear programmable paddles
- Maingear: 93T
- Pinion: from 15T to 20T (integrated OWB) 13T and 14T to be added to the range in the future 15T ships as stock in the kits
- Main hub: CNC aluminium
- Swash: CNC aluminium
- Mainshaft: 8mm (originally solid aluminium with a special coating - never sand it! but now steel, solid = cheaper and hollow = more expensive)
- Frame: FRP (plastic + 30% carbon = conductive)
- Grips: FRP, main with thrust bearings, tail without
- Tailbox: FRP (2010 ones are conductive)
- Canopy: Plastic, pre-painted (white also available). FG also available
- Boom: 17mm OD aluminum (recommended to remove 15mm of anodising at tailbox end when used with conductive tailbox)
- Main to tail ratio: 4.33
- Stock motor: MSH 800KV, 1100W, 14 poles, 4s-6s, 5mm shaft, body height 48.7mm (50.2mm incl. circlip), max diameter: 37.3mm, weight 185g
- Stock blades: SAB 425mm CF (Grip: 9mm, Hole: 3mm, Chord: 40mm)
- Stock tail blades: MSH Gorilla Gear 65mm (Grip: 4mm)
- Stock LG: MSH Gorilla Gear
- Stock paddles: MSH Gorilla Gear programmable paddles

Special features
- Innovative single belt drive (motor->main gear->tail)
- Programmable flybar-to-mainblade ratio
- Tail grips with integrated Chinese weights so a mini size tail servo can have the same performance as a full size tail servo
- As low as 1520g all-up-weight with a 6s lipo 2500
- As low as 1680g all-up-weight with a 7s A123 2300
- Supports mini sized servos having double or single mounting holes
- Designed for LiPo from 4S (~3700mAh) to 6S (~2500mAh)
- A123 7S 2300mAh humpback slab pack (2 cells over 5 cells) fits and balances
- Gorilla Gear paddles, tail blades and landing gear

Setup info
Swash servo ball position: 16mm
Tail servo ball position: 13.5mm

Typical swash servos
- Hitech HS81/82/85
- Futaba S9650, S3155
- JR z3650
- Ino lab HG-D251MG, HG-D260HB
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For incorporation if you wish.

Tailblade size: 65mm T/R blade span (4mm root thickness) (MSH Gorilla tail blades included in kit)

Mainblade size: 415mm-430mm (9.16mm root thickness) (3mm mounting holes) (SAB 425 Carbon Fiber blades included in kit)

Pinion: from 15T to 20T (integrated OWB) Corrado has promised 13T and 14T as options.

Cheers - Boyd
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It will be good to know the real rotor diameter with the supplied sabīs as a comparison purpose . I have come to my attention how big can a 425 heli be (Logo 400) depend on head span.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hb888
My kit has been shipped from Realraptors. Should be here tomorrow, but ahhh no 16/17T pinions yet. Damn.
So has my Protos

Tried to order 15t pinion but they didnīt have any.
So Iīll propably take one cell off from my 7S A123 packs so I can test it..
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I just could not resist. I had to start building mine at lunch at my desk!

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I just could not resist. I had to start building mine at lunch at my desk!

J
How do you like it so far?
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It will be good to know the real rotor diameter with the supplied sabīs as a comparison purpose . I have come to my attention how big can a 425 heli be (Logo 400) depend on head span.
Head assembly is 100mm blade bolt center to blade bolt center. Add two 425mm blades and you have a 950mm rotor span. Math verified with metric stick physical measurement.
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That car in the pic has the steering wheel on the wrong side
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Old May 21, 2008, 05:11 PM
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I am looking forward to participating here. My Protos has landed in country and just waiting on customs clearance.
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