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Old Mar 07, 2010, 11:04 PM
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I like the design of this plane. Can you post dimensions?
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my 10 gram motor plane auw 95 grams
need something my wife couldnt beat up and i dont think this is it. it will be to fast for a raw begener
350 2s 3.5 gram sevos and a gws rx 10 gram motor 10 amp esc 5/4.3
now i just need a clam wind day to maiden
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Very cool Robert, makes me want to make one. How many mph would you say the wind was?
Hi Jimmy,

I can't really say how many miles per hour the wind was. We use the metric system over here. I can say it was blowing quite hard. In the beginning of the film the plane wasn't trimmed for this kind of wind. to much up elevator build in and the hollow wing profile also provided to much lift. I had to trim down quite much to get her under control. By the way the plane gets smaller very fast you can imagine the speed the wind had.

If I have to make a wild guess, the wind blew at about 40/50 + km/h. I would have to say that it wasn't doing that all the time.

If you want to make one, the former COX molds are now being used by Gravity. My advise, make a zero for a stable easy flyer, take the FW-190 to make one for windy conditions. You might even get a hotter motor for that one. The plane itself is pretty cheap in costs and also the electronics to be used are cheap by comparison. Most of it comes from Hobby King in Hong Kong. I say, go for it! Be sure to post your plane!

For much fun, use carbon rods to strenghten the wings and convert to elevator & aileron control. Also use a BL-motor and a 3 cell lipo.

There is a thread on these birds if you need inspiration.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...133454&page=42

There are two more threads on the original COX-birds. Be warned, it is a lot of reading.... You can also check my posts. I made several of these planes and posted most of them in one of the mentioned threads.

I think it needless to say that none of my planes is stock. I did alter quite much. If you take the basic model and just add brushless and ailerons, you will end up with a nice plane with the power to bring a smile on your face .

build light!

Here is another one of the same series (ME-109, slightly altered to look more like the real thing), with a slightly bigger motor but in the same flying conditions.

ME-109 v2 (6 min 6 sec)


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Old Mar 08, 2010, 08:43 PM
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Thanks for the info Robert. The only building I do is scratch builds with different kinds of foam and the first thing I think of id just making one from scratch. Gotta admit though, if the Cox/Gravity planes are not too expensive, I could see my asking for one for a B-Day present or something like that.
I'll have to look through that thread.
Thx again for the inspiration.
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Robert,

Would like to see close up pics of the Me-109 if you have 'em. Thanks

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Old Mar 12, 2010, 04:08 PM
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I did rewind one of these 1811 that came with short circuit from Hobbycity. It worked!
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I did rewind one of these 1811 that came with short circuit from Hobbycity. It worked!
No kidding, thats great. What guage wire did you use & how many turns did you squeeze in there? Sure is tight on space on that little stator.
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Old Mar 12, 2010, 08:26 PM
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I think, not sure, the wire is 30 awg. I could not squeeze the 20 turns, like the original, in each stator, so I talked to my friend and told him I could do 18 in each, and he told that it was ok, and I did and worked very well.

I followed the pic bellow to squeeze it

Certainly it will be usefull!



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No kidding, thats great. What guage wire did you use & how many turns did you squeeze in there? Sure is tight on space on that little stator.
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Hey thx for the pics. That is how I wind mine too. I have wound all of my Blue Wonders but they are much bigger with a lot more room. I was able to get 20 turns on the first wire but after that, too hard. I saw someone demonstrate smoothing out each turn with a piece of plastic, like a broken prop blade to make the wind as sharp and smooth as possible which leaves room for more. But that seems so hard and takes a lot of time.

I am very curious to see how your rewound motor performs compared to the original wind. I was thinking about doing 18 turns also.
Have you run the motor yet? done any tests?

Somewhere here ther is a thread that is all about the 1811 and rewinding them. Very useful information.
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Robert,

Would like to see close up pics of the Me-109 if you have 'em. Thanks

Isaac
Hi Isaac,

I took some pictures of the Me-109 for you. I posted them in my blog here on RCgroups. Just click my Avatar to get there.

I hope you like them. Here is one of the pictures I took.

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Old Mar 16, 2010, 10:44 AM
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Hi Jimmy, sorry for the delay...

Is difficult to turn the wire in this little motor. One thing is good, if you can rewind this one, you are able and the others will be so easy to do!

I used a pen cover also to help to acomodate the wire, its a boring work, but when you see it working, its a worth job!

I dont know how to do the test, if you help me, we can try togheter

Here some pictures, Its already in my Starlite.

As the wires are very thin, I used a fishing line to lock the wire in the motor, and then I epoxied it to avoid a new broke wire...

Regards,
Luis

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Hey thx for the pics. That is how I wind mine too. I have wound all of my Blue Wonders but they are much bigger with a lot more room. I was able to get 20 turns on the first wire but after that, too hard. I saw someone demonstrate smoothing out each turn with a piece of plastic, like a broken prop blade to make the wind as sharp and smooth as possible which leaves room for more. But that seems so hard and takes a lot of time.

I am very curious to see how your rewound motor performs compared to the original wind. I was thinking about doing 18 turns also.
Have you run the motor yet? done any tests?

Somewhere here ther is a thread that is all about the 1811 and rewinding them. Very useful information.
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Old Mar 16, 2010, 12:17 PM
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"Alaska" Piper:

3mm Depron
5g motor
2x 2.5g servo (elevator/ ailerions)
2x Toki servo (ruder/flaps)
Penta 5Ch reciever
6A esc
2S 180 mAh Lipo
Wight 76g
Wingspan 58cm

Video:http://www.youtube.com/user/Fliegerb...12/wor4o5I7Uwc

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Old Mar 16, 2010, 12:31 PM
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Nice build and very cool video!
I've seen on youtube your others planes, and they are great!
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"Alaska" Piper:

3mm Depron
5g motor
2x 2.5g servo (elevator/ ailerions)
2x Toki servo (ruder/flaps)
Penta 5Ch reciever
6A esc
2S 180 mAh Lipo
Wight 76g
Wingspan 58cm

Video:http://www.youtube.com/user/Fliegerb...12/wor4o5I7Uwc

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Looks GREAT!!!

Do you have any detail pictures of how the flaps & ailerons work?
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Old Mar 16, 2010, 01:15 PM
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Thank you guys!

Here a detail picture with the ailerons and flaps:

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Very sweet set up Reto!
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Thank you guys!

Here a detail picture with the ailerons and flaps:

Reto
that is really slick!

does the wire slide in the tube mounted on each control surface, or is it glued in?
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that is really slick!

does the wire slide in the tube mounted on each control surface, or is it glued in?
Hi Habitforming,

The wire does slide in the tube.

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Retos, what a sweety bird! So scale! Which plan did you followed to build this beauty?
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So cool!
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Old Mar 20, 2010, 04:59 AM
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10gr Motor Micros

Here's my three, a Golden Age Reproductions "Corben Super Ace", scratch "Fly Baby" and a Gravity Hobby FW-190. All have 10 gram outrunners, 2s LiPOs and 3.6 to 5 gram servos. The Fly Baby is 2.4 with an AR6110e Rx, the others are 72mHZ with Berg MicroStamp Rx's. There's threads for the models on Wattflyer.com.
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Old Mar 20, 2010, 05:31 AM
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Nice work wich have the best flying charastics?
I found the Piper crop duster good.
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Old Mar 20, 2010, 07:10 AM
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Hello Olmod,
Thanks! So far the Fly Baby seems the easiest to fly. I would have thought it would be the Corben, being a high wing. But it's over-responsive to the rudder and has a habit of dropping the inside wing during turns. Tried C.G. shift (forward), warping in washout, less rudder throw. Still does it occasionally.
But the "Baby" flew well right off the board and isn't nearly as twitchy as other Micros I've tried.
The Gravity Warbirds seem to fly well but don't like low speeds, control response is much better if the airspeed is kept up. Makes for short, exciting flights!
Since the Fly Baby is the only 2.4gHZ Micro I've tried, it could be a radio issue, but I don't think so.
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Old Mar 20, 2010, 08:30 AM
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Very nice models Ron!

Did you made from scratchbuild the Fly baby? Do you have plans? How did you covered it? Please, if you have, post a link form the building process, I love this plane!
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Old Mar 20, 2010, 11:26 AM
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Hello Luis,
Thanks for the kind words, the Fly Baby is one of my favorites, too!
Yes, I have plans, I've sent out several copies already, the latest ones to Germany. The cost is $5.00 USD for folded plans, it's higher if you would like them rolled in a tube. It's one page of 18" x 24" (61mm x 45.5mm).
Payment can be through PayPal (user name rbefly), check or money order.
I used a set of controline plans from Randy Randolph to start with. These were for an solid-sheet balsa model. I drew a built-up structure from those outlines and used wood sizes typical of small rubber-powered planes. The wingspan is 24" (61mm) and length 15.5" (39mm). Ready-to-fly weight is 3.56 ounces or 101 grams. The battery is a 2S 300 mAH LiPoly. Here's the build thread;
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52781
The covering is SoLite from Solarfilm (aka Microlite).
It's a good-flying model and easy to build if you have experience with small models. The parts are all standard "Micro" components available online.
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Old Mar 22, 2010, 08:13 AM
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Thanks Ron! I copy the link for a future project!
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Hi Guys

This is my favorite indoor flyer .It is a great gym flyer but this is some action around the house.

The airplane is a scratchbuilt design from Leadfeather called the PbF .I built it smaller and it flew very well with a 10 gram 2000 KVA motor .Some time later I replaced the motor with a 14 gram powerhouse .

Good tough EPP flyer and super simple.

14 Inch version of Leadfeathers EPP PbF RC indoor (4 min 23 sec)


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Old Mar 25, 2010, 06:47 PM
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10 gre motor in a wing

The pictures and the video tells more than words..

Hope you all enjoy!

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=796711&page=4

Asinha Voadora (2 min 6 sec)
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Flying my 14 inch square PbF in the gym

Notice half way through the video my PbF gets hit with another airplane .It is batted down but did not hit the floor and kept on going .

Further on my new cameraman catches one roll but misses several others .

Nice rugged plane and lots of fun.

Charlie

Flying the 14 inch PbF indoors (2 min 38 sec)
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A link to my Guillow's DR-1 Triplane powered by the 1811. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...illow+s+fokker
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Hi Guys

This is my favorite indoor flyer .It is a great gym flyer but this is some action around the house.

The airplane is a scratchbuilt design from Leadfeather called the PbF .I built it smaller and it flew very well with a 10 gram 2000 KVA motor .Some time later I replaced the motor with a 14 gram powerhouse .

Good tough EPP flyer and super simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4dyHHlsEbA

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Charlie
Great Pbf, Charlie.
What thickness of EPP did you use?

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Hi Ron

I used a single sheet of 6 MM EPP with a single reinforcement rod of carbon fiber just behind the motor mount .

See page 43 of this forum line 634 for more information.

Thanks
Charlie
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Hi all,

something a little different although with the mandatory 10 g motor. My Nanomum v6 autogyro has a rotor diameter of 665 mm / 26" and an AUW of 85 g / 3 oz.

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Old Mar 30, 2010, 04:20 PM
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hi! this is my mini PC6 pilatus, whith hx 5gr brushless, 6A esc turigny, 2x 2,5gr servos, rx assan 2,4 g 4gr , 2s 200ma lipo: 50 cm wind , and 62gr
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Very nice! Any plans on the Pbf? Thats cool. I also like the pilatus.
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Very nice! Any plans on the Pbf? Thats cool. I also like the pilatus.
Hi Di

The original plane came from http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=981793

I followed the general scale of it but reduced it to 14 inches as apposed to 18 inches .I used one layer of 6 MM EPP instead of 2 in the front section .I also found it necessary to use a single carbon fiber rod 1.5 MM I think behind the motor mount .

If you need more detail I will be glad to help.

Here is a picture of both for comparison.


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Old Mar 31, 2010, 08:19 PM
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Thanks! Thats really cool! Maybe a little scaling down and I might put my 6400 in it.
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hi

this aero brid knock off weighs 4 oz! the only way i can fly it is in dead air
i can run as fast as it flys
10 gram motor 10 amp esc 3 gram servos
gws rt
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hi heres pic!
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Old Apr 06, 2010, 08:14 PM
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Cool! Is it just v-tail or ailerons too? Or tailerons? What foam, motor, battery, servos are you using?
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hi

just a v tail 350 two cell 10 gram motor climes strait up
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Hello Olmod,
Thanks! So far the Fly Baby seems the easiest to fly. I would have thought it would be the Corben, being a high wing. But it's over-responsive to the rudder and has a habit of dropping the inside wing during turns. Tried C.G. shift (forward), warping in washout, less rudder throw. Still does it occasionally.
But the "Baby" flew well right off the board and isn't nearly as twitchy as other Micros I've tried.
The Gravity Warbirds seem to fly well but don't like low speeds, control response is much better if the airspeed is kept up. Makes for short, exciting flights!
Since the Fly Baby is the only 2.4gHZ Micro I've tried, it could be a radio issue, but I don't think so.
Ron
I have two small models (22inch) that also show that characteristic dropping of a wing. Usually in right turns, which confuses me. Makes for non-relaxing flights. Does any one have an idea of what causes this? It's not tip stalling, pulling more up elevator corrects but the drop is fairly abrupt.
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To much rudder/fin area can cause this. Had it happen on a Fleet Canuck when I gave it more area thinking it would make it more stable. Did some research and found this was the reason.

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this aero brid knock off weighs 4 oz! the only way i can fly it is in dead air
i can run as fast as it flys
10 gram motor 10 amp esc 3 gram servos
gws rt
That's a nice plane, stroland. Did you build it by eyeball or did you have some plans? I'd be interested in trying one like that.
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It is my plane about 6 gramme the motor.
Full weight of 50 gramme.
http://vimeo.com/2838202
I combed the posts and REALLY like this one!.. this is his design constructed of carbon. Gotta love the little prop in the rear!!
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Wonderful!
- Can I buy this little modell somewhere?
- Plans?
- Building instructions?
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To much rudder/fin area can cause this. Had it happen on a Fleet Canuck when I gave it more area thinking it would make it more stable. Did some research and found this was the reason.

Gord.
Gord,

I researched your comment and found the same info. Picture attached of one of the culprits. You think?
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Good stuff. The opposite end of the scale with to little rudder area you can get Dutch Roll, where the tail oscilates back and forth sideways. I have a movie clip of test flying the B17 where coming in for a landing it is quite obvious. If you've seen early pics of the early B17 with no dorsal fin, that's the one. The large dorsal on the later ones cured the problem.

Gord.
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My Micro Cub

Here is the little micro cub I built. I used the Electric Orange plans and scaled them down, see this thread:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245311

Made from 6mm and 3mm EPP with CF along the leading edge of the wing. I heat formed the under-cambered wing. I didn't know you could heat form EPP, but I held to the shape and ran my heat gun across it. It partially melted the surface and held shape quite well when it cooled. It stiffened them a bit too.

Stats:

WS: 22"
Length: 16"
AUW: 209 Grams
Motor: 18-11 2000kv Micro Brushless Outrunner (10g)
ESC: TURNIGY Plush 6A /.8bec/6g Speed Controller
Rx: AR6110E DSM2 Microlite 6-Ch. End-Pin Receiver
Servos: 2x Hobby King S0361 3.6g / .45kg / .12sec Micro Servo
Battery: Rhino 360mAh 2S 7.4v 20C Lipoly Pack

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That's a nice plane, stroland. Did you build it by eyeball or did you have some plans? I'd be interested in trying one like that.
i used t.l.a.r.
it would make a good indoor plane.flew good but it needed a 1/3 power, seemed like you could control alt. by power setting. dosnt tolrate any wind at all. i striped it today to build this flying wing. the wing allso flys good is much faster handels wind better but was kinda squirly to fly. redused control thows and added nose weight and it helped a lot. still wasnt easy to fly but is quick for such a small plane.liked to drop a wing in a tight turn too

10 gram motor
10 amp esc
3.6 gram servos
350 2 cell
4 oz auw
going to wait and see if the wind stops and try agen and if i dont like ill build a mini slow stick
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Heres my wing update tunning after a crash in the wood goal!

1 x silver bullet 10gr
2 x HXT500 servos
1 x receiver berg 4
1 x 2s 300mah
1 x 6A esc

Asinha Voadora (2 min 6 sec)
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Sweet! I really want a flying wing like my 45" one, but I can't use the AR6400 because of the rear facing prop. The pushrods can't get past it.
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Stroland, does your wing have a foil? Or is it just flat?
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hi

it has one of those km step airfoils step at 50%
i built it useing the plan found here
this is the 20"
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1173701
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BL Dynex 2.4

At the request of Jim Marconnet, here are some pics of my Dynex Brushless conversion. I went with the Mighty Midget 13/3/12 "hot" wind for 1S. ESC is the XP-3A single cell.

http://www.microbrushless.com/productsG1.htm

Performance is solid. I have some micro 3D planes with 2S setups using the AP05, so it takes a lot to impress me power-wise. Amp draw seems consistent with manufacturer claims, but I haven't actually measured it. Flight times with the GWS 5030 are six minutes of aggressive flying on a Hyperion 180. It flies best on the 130, with 5 minute flights. Lighter is always better. At least indoors.
I used a pin drill to modify the control horns to work better with the long throw servos. On my first one, my ailerons would frequently lock up. Even when I dialed back the throws it will still do it on occasion, mostly if the speed gets up.
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I used a pin drill to modify the control horns to work better with the long throw servos. On my first one, my ailerons would frequently lock up. Even when I dialed back the throws it will still do it on occasion, mostly if the speed gets up.
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I hate it when it locks up! I always thought it was my bad beveling and hinging, but I guess not. With a HWC and two plywood boards, you can make perfect bevels!
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What battery are you using?

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Hi Guys

This may be a little off topic but I see you are model builders so I would like to share with you a kit that was built by one of my friends .

Here is a picture of my friend Hank's indoor airplane called the "Flying Flea" it has been inspired by an actual airplane built in France a number of years ago .The original plane did not have a elevator but rather changed the wing incident to climb or dive .The kit uses the same principal .Here are a few of the facts

Flying Flea Kit from Stevens Aero
Parkzone components
Sukoi motor
Ember servo/reciever (brick)
110 MAH battery
5-6 minutes fly time
17 3/4 inch wingspan

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Hanks indoor Stevens Aero "Flying Flea" (1 min 51 sec)
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What battery are you using?
Wide river 250ma and Rhino 350ma flew this morning ok.
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I've got an old partially built Golden Age Reproductions Boeing F4B-4 (22" ws).
Which motor would be most appropriate for something like this - 5g or 10g? I don't want it to zip around like a racer. Also, would the
I was thinking microlite/solite to cover it with, but it doesn't come in gray - I guess uising Pat Tritle's painting method it should be possible to spray on a light coat of gray on the fuselage.
Also, any suggestions on if the structure needs to be built up for strength anywhere, or pretty leave as is?
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Deperdussin monocoque

Hello,
This is my last little bird.
The Deperdussin racer, type Coupe Bennett 1913.
Span : 64 cm.
Weight : 220 grs.
Brushless 10 grs.
Prop 6 x 3 GWS.
ESC 6 A.
2 x 2,5 grs and 1 x 5 grs servos.
lipo 450 mAh 7,4 volts.
Autonomie 12 minutes.
Very nice flights, and .....turn LEFT !!!
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Now that is beautiful, excellent work.
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Hello,
This is my last little bird.
The Deperdussin racer, type Coupe Bennett 1913.
Span : 64 cm.
Weight : 220 grs.
Brushless 10 grs.
Prop 6 x 3 GWS.
ESC 6 A.
2 x 2,5 grs and 1 x 5 grs servos.
lipo 450 mAh 7,4 volts.
Autonomie 12 minutes.
Very nice flights, and .....turn LEFT !!!
Michel
Buid just like the originalDid you carve the fuselage or is it planked on a form?
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Mick62 - wow!... magnificent build!
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Yes...how did you do the fuselage? It looks like it's formed balsa.
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mick, beautiful model, museum quality workmanship.

I too am very interested in how you formed the fuse.
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Hello,
This is my last little bird.
The Deperdussin racer, type Coupe Bennett 1913.
Span : 64 cm.
Weight : 220 grs.
Brushless 10 grs.
Prop 6 x 3 GWS.
ESC 6 A.
2 x 2,5 grs and 1 x 5 grs servos.
lipo 450 mAh 7,4 volts.
Autonomie 12 minutes.
Very nice flights, and .....turn LEFT !!!
Michel
That's an amazing workmanship, wish I have a talent like that!
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Thank you everybody,
For the fuselage, I carved the form out of a block of balsa.
Then I hollowed out the interior.
I toke a picture of the scene .
Michel
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Well worth the effort..............but the cleaning after
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That's some serious whittling there! Absolutely worth the result.
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carved out of solid !!!! wow.
How long did it take for you to complete the model?
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Hello,
Approximately 2 days for the fuselage, and 100 hours for the complete model in flight.
Michel
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Just for fun...
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For what it's worth, I think the original was molded, laminated plywood. http://www.aviation-history.com/theory/plywood.htm It was popular right up to and including the WW II De Havilland Mosquito.
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I thought a true craftsman went away with the Stratovarius. I stand corrected. A true craftsman and artist you are. I admire your work with envy.
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Sidekick FV powered by 10g brushless motor

Here's a foam version of Aleg's Sidekick.

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OMG!

Ill show this picture to my wife that bothers me in my buildings

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Thank you everybody,
For the fuselage, I carved the form out of a block of balsa.
Then I hollowed out the interior.
I toke a picture of the scene .
Michel
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Lavochkin La-5FN

Should have put it in that tread since it uses a 5 grm motor:
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Zippy 240 mA X2
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cessna182 ,
翼展:五二零毫米
区巨龙:131克
电机: m1811 kv3000
支撑: xxd 5030
人事编制小组委员会: xxd 10A条
伺服: 3.7克* 2
电池: 2秒220mah 25C号
的RX :天地飞frpo06 6通道接收机72米
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Beautiful workmanship.

Gord.
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Very nice building... but.... what did you say

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这是我大约一年前做的cessna182,做得比较粗糙:(
翼展:520mm
重量:131克
马达:m1811 kv3000
桨:xxd 5030
电调:xxd 10a
舵机:3.7克*2
电池:2s 220mah 25c
接收:wfly frpo06 6 channel receiver 72m
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Near as I can tell.
Wingspan 520mm or about 20 in.
131 ?
Prop 5-3
10 amp motor
3.7 ?

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翼展:520mm
重量:131克
马达:m1811 kv3000
桨:xxd 5030
电调:xxd 10a
舵机:3.7克*2
电池:2s 220mah 25c
接收:wfly frpo06 6 channel receiver 72m
wingspan:520mm
AUW:131g
motor:m1811 kv3000
Prop:xxd 5030
ESC:xxd 10a
Servo:3.7g * 2
Battery:2s(7.4v) 220mah 25c
Rx:wfly frpo06 6 channel receiver 72m
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Thats better!
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A couple of questions...

I have powered up a hexTronik 2 gram BL 7700kv motor with GWS3020 prop. ESC is TGY DP 3A 1S and brick is AR6400. Been running on the bench and motor gets real hot. Is this normal / OK? Can someone suggest a plan for foam airframe made with 1mm Depron for this motor? Thinking about possible pusher configuration.
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Real hot as in can't hold it is not good. Extended bench running is not good as the motor never unloads as it would in flight. That is a pretty high kv motor and you may be over proped or need a gear box.

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These motors do run hot and pull high amps. There is a perfect mod for them if you have a lathe. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=895413&page=3
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cessna182 ,
翼展:五二零毫米
区巨龙:131克
电机: m1811 kv3000
支撑: xxd 5030
人事编制小组委员会: xxd 10A条
伺服: 3.7克* 2
电池: 2秒220mah 25C号
的RX :天地飞frpo06 6通道接收机72米
真好看。 很欣赏你的技术。 (really good looking, I admire your building skills)
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I have powered up a hexTronik 2 gram BL 7700kv motor with GWS3020 prop. ESC is TGY DP 3A 1S and brick is AR6400. Been running on the bench and motor gets real hot. Is this normal / OK? Can someone suggest a plan for foam airframe made with 1mm Depron for this motor? Thinking about possible pusher configuration.
Hello Piper J3,
I had the same problem.I rewound the motor with 30 coils per tooth with 0.1 mm copper wire.Connection in delta.For 3.8 volts, I have 1,4 A with one propeller 4x3 in carbon(Microinvent).My little Waco (28grs) flight at mi-gas for 600 mAh.
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Hello Piper J3,
I had the same problem.I rewound the motor with 30 coils per tooth with 0.1 mm copper wire.Connection in delta.For 3.8 volts, I have 1,4 A with one propeller 4x3 in carbon(Microinvent).My little Waco (28grs) flight at mi-gas for 600 mAh.
Michel
0.1mm is that 38 gauge and did you happen to try terminating in Wye. What you've done with this little motor is impressive. Did you find a way to cure the hot motor problem, I had 3 of these and they all ran hotter than hell. Trying to oil the back bushing didn't work to well either.
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0.1mm is that 38 gauge and did you happen to try terminating in Wye. What you've done with this little motor is impressive. Did you find a way to cure the hot motor problem, I had 3 of these and they all ran hotter than hell. Trying to oil the back bushing didn't work to well either.
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0.1mm wire is equivalent to awg38. Really small stuff.

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0.1mm wire is equivalent to awg38. Really small stuff.

Gary
Iv'e been rewinding my 3gram motor's with 34ga and I thought that was a pain this should be a real nightmare.
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0.1mm is that 38 gauge and did you happen to try terminating in Wye. What you've done with this little motor is impressive. Did you find a way to cure the hot motor problem, I had 3 of these and they all ran hotter than hell. Trying to oil the back bushing didn't work to well either.
TODD
Hello Todd,
Yes, it is 0,1 millimtre of diameter equals 38 gauge.
For the connection Wye (Stars) or Delta, I prefer the delta version because it gives 1,73 more KV and Power than Wye version.You can see this here :
http://www.bavaria-direct.co.za/models/motor_info.htm
For the rewinding, just be ZEN and use a good magnifying glass.....
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Here's a couple of pictures of my latest for a 10g motor. Rudder/elevator control and a 10g motor. AUW 95g.

Steve
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Here's a couple of pictures of my latest for a 10g motor. Rudder/elevator control and a 10g motor. AUW 95g.

Steve
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He has no dihedral, the sweep wing give the same effect and allow rudder/elevator control. Nice job!From Wikipedia:
"Dihedral angle and dihedral effect
Dihedral angle is the upward angle from horizontal of the wings of a fixed-wing aircraft, or of any paired nominally-horizontal surfaces on any aircraft. The term can also apply to the wings of a bird. Dihedral angle is also used in some types of kites such as box kites. Wings with more than one angle change along the full span are said to be polyhedral.

Dihedral angle has important stabilizing effects on flying bodies because it has a strong influence on the dihedral effect.

Dihedral effect[1] of an aircraft is a rolling moment resulting from the vehicle having a non-zero angle of sideslip. Increasing the dihedral angle of an aircraft increases the dihedral effect on it. However, many other aircraft parameters also have a strong influence on dihedral effect. Some of these important factors are: wing sweep, vertical center of gravity, and the height and size of anything on an aircraft that changes its sidewards force as sideslip changes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihedral_(aircraft)
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forward swept funjet thing

first post in my micro funjets build logs for this one .
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=91

waitting on the power plant motor & esc & lipo.



AUW ( as a glider ) 52g + micro Nimh RX flight pack 21g
using 5g servos , a full (un mod) ar6200 (without satalite rx )
( so a ar6400L would have been cool , in 2s mod , or a stripped down orange box RX)
it glides well. better than i expected LOL.
- now where's my motor .. looks at clock .. looks at HK tracking # .. LOL -

52g ~ all but powerplant
12.3g motor & mount + leads ( real mass of motor un modded )
6g esc ( plush 6A , un modded )
28.5g ( lipo , but can shave some off that as it has longa leas and long ballence plug )
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98.8g projected AUW +-~3g

"GWS 5030 / 127 gr / 3.21 A" :: from HK post below prod. ::
averag is 110g thrust with a 5x3gws ?

should have better than 1:1

WS is same as my UM P51 . LOL .
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If you go all out on dihedral and wing and tailplane incidences, you end up with this - very stable!
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If you go all out on dihedral and wing and tailplane incidences, you end up with this - very stable!

Hysterical!
Yep. the takeoffs are a little rough and the flight path is always the same.
Thanks for the laugh, Mack!
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Thanks guys,

I prefer rudder/elevator control to fly at our tiny indoor venue............

Aileron control (bank-and-yank).............. by the time you've banked there is no time to yank and you've hit the wall Alows me to fly a bigger model.

Yes indeed indoor_fr....... if the model flies well I shall fit wheel spats.

Steve
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