Okay, so you've been onto eDonkey or eMule and gotten yourself a copy of
Realflight G2.

You are a *bad* person. But you don't need me to tell you that.

Well, since you've already broken the law and risked your house, life,
business and any chance of ever have a clear conscience, you might as well
get something out of it, right?

Let me explain the score. Actually, I better start off by saying that I do
not have a pirate copy of Realflight, and that I would never do anything
like this. In fact, everything explained here was done by a person who will
hereafter be referred to as SWIM (someone who isn't me), since I don't want
to drop her in the shit either.

Realflight G2 does *not* have a dongle, as has been suggested by someone
here. The R/C Interface is an optional component, not a dongle or other
hardware necessity. During the initial installation of RFG2, you are
required to enter a serial number (actually two serial numbers, but more on
this later). SWIM says typing '22989276-G2-1890206976' or
'96911351-G2-4590104232' (without quotes) in the serial number box will
satisfy this requirement. SWIM thinks that this is not actually a genuine
Realflight G2 serial number, and that it is simply a way of telling RFG2
that you don't have a serial number but would like to try the program
anyway.

Cool.

The program also requires that you enter a name. SWIM has noticed that this
must be a minimum of three (3) characters, and that anything less is
unacceptable and means you won't be able to carry-on (the 'next' button will
remain greyed out).

The second serial number is for the transmitter interface. If you *do* have
the Realflight transmitter interface, say for example if you bought your
RFG2 from a pawn shop, but still don't have the proper serial numbers, then
SWIM says you can type '4133025-RT-021078' in this box. Again SWIM thinks
this is for special circumstances such as in the example given.

If you do *not* have the transmitter interface, then you must leave this
second serial number field blank, or else RFG2 will not start, complaining
of a missing Interface box.

Okay, now onto the interesting part.
SWIM really wanted to understand what makes this program tick, or not tick
as is quite often the case. She decided to buy the Ripmax Joystick Interface
cable which plugs into the Game port on your computer and see how things
faired, since many people were having difficulty getting this to work with
Realflight, in particular the Throttle axis was stuck on 33% and was
completely ignored by RF.
There were numerous posts on the greatplanes knowledgebase about this
non-working throttle control, and it seems nobody had the answer to it.

SWIM has now discovered that the problem lies *solely* within RealFlight
working under Windows 2000 or XP. She has concluded that under Windows Me
(Millennium Edition), and most likely 98 (possibly 95 too), all works
PERFECTLY.

She also points out that the initial release of RF had problems with some
video cards, most notably nVidia GeForce 2 or TNT cards, and that an update
to the program is required. Update 2.00.533 is available from eDonkey also,
and is also on a website which features Sceadu models for FMS and
RealFlight. She mentioned that this was a website owned by a French person.
Try google searching for Realflight G2 update 533.

Hasn't she done us proud?

SWIM has summarised that anybody wanting to evaluate RFG2, or get a
legitimate copy working that is missing the TX interface should do the
following:

1. If you are running Win 2000 or XP, Install Windows 98/Me as a second O/S,
or stick an old hard drive in and whack it on there, or remove Win 2000 / XP
if you don't mind the 'downgrade'.

2. Install the Ripmax Joystick Interface Driver, which you should download
from
http://www.ripmax.com/Home/drivers95.htm

3. Install RealFlight G2 from the CD, which you either bought second-hand,
or downloaded and burned using CloneCD.
Enter your name, the program serial number, and leave the TX Interface
serial number box blank.

Update RealFlight to version 2.00.533 *BEFORE* starting RealFlight.

Start RealFlight, go to controls and pick the Joystick Interface and setup
accordingly.

----------------
I had serious issues about posting this information, but it seems
GreatPlanes won't even tell people on their support knowledgebase that the
Throttle problem only occurs with Win2000/XP. They are just leaving people
in the dark about why it doesn't work.
It's not that though. I talked with SWIM for a while, and I think her
feelings on the matter make pretty good sense. She thinks RFG2 is a very
good product, but that it is too much money for newbies to spend, which
leaves a bit of a conundrum. She feels that the hobby would benefit from
more enthusiasts, but sees a catch-22 situation.

1. The initial cost outlay for a Heli setup is felt as huge for many
newbies, and that these newbies know they will crash, and that this will
definitely cost them even more

2. She feels that RealFlight would help people get the hang of flying to a
certain extent, and thus settle some of their fears about crashing, but that
RealFlight adds substantially to the first issue of cost.

Some of the cost for RFG2 must go to paying for the Transmitter
Interface/Dummy transmitter combo thing (hardware).
SWIM would like to see a 'cut down' version of RealFlight which could be
bundled with genuine Helicopter or Transmitter kits, with the inexpensive
Ripmax Interface.
Perhaps an 'OEM' copy of RealFlight, which can only be bought with a
JR/Futaba/Whatever proper transmitter, and which is limited because it is
only really suitable for training newbies (she hasn't thought this through
all the way, but perhaps no 3D flying... throttle/pitch curves fixed or
something. Limited number of Airports & Models, inability to modify or add
Airports & Models.

She thinks that for a SUBSTANTIALLY reduced cost, almost EVERYBODY would buy
this product, in fact, it could become an accepted norm to buy it if you're
a newbie, or as said before some kind of control on bundling it with
hardware.
Since GreatPlanes would not need to supply any of their hardware, they
should be able to reduce the cost to something like £40. Whatever. Let the
user pay the £15 for the Ripmax interface.

Surely SWIM is onto something here, even if she hasn't thought through the
whole business-strategy for them.

Obviously they would have to fix the Win2000/XP throttle problem in this
OEM/bundle version of RFG2, but this would give them a reason too. Right now
the only reason for fixing the problem is to help people use pirate copies.

unfortunately many people on this NG have forked out their hard earned money
to buy a legit copy of this sim and although they probably agree that the
price is high, don't agree in software piracy.

People come and go in this group but the message to piracy is always the
same.

Have your fire jacket handy, prepare for a flaming.


"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:b07ahe$t5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Okay, so you've been onto eDonkey or eMule and gotten yourself a copy of
> Realflight G2.
>
> You are a *bad* person. But you don't need me to tell you that.
>
> Well, since you've already broken the law and risked your house, life,
> business and any chance of ever have a clear conscience, you might as well
> get something out of it, right?
>
> Let me explain the score. Actually, I better start off by saying that I do
> not have a pirate copy of Realflight, and that I would never do anything
> like this. In fact, everything explained here was done by a person who
will
> hereafter be referred to as SWIM (someone who isn't me), since I don't
want
> to drop her in the shit either.
>
> Realflight G2 does *not* have a dongle, as has been suggested by someone
> here. The R/C Interface is an optional component, not a dongle or other
> hardware necessity. During the initial installation of RFG2, you are
> required to enter a serial number (actually two serial numbers, but more
on
> this later). SWIM says typing '22989276-G2-1890206976' or
> '96911351-G2-4590104232' (without quotes) in the serial number box will
> satisfy this requirement. SWIM thinks that this is not actually a genuine
> Realflight G2 serial number, and that it is simply a way of telling RFG2
> that you don't have a serial number but would like to try the program
> anyway.
>
> Cool.
>
> The program also requires that you enter a name. SWIM has noticed that
this
> must be a minimum of three (3) characters, and that anything less is
> unacceptable and means you won't be able to carry-on (the 'next' button
will
> remain greyed out).
>
> The second serial number is for the transmitter interface. If you *do*
have
> the Realflight transmitter interface, say for example if you bought your
> RFG2 from a pawn shop, but still don't have the proper serial numbers,
then
> SWIM says you can type '4133025-RT-021078' in this box. Again SWIM thinks
> this is for special circumstances such as in the example given.
>
> If you do *not* have the transmitter interface, then you must leave this
> second serial number field blank, or else RFG2 will not start, complaining
> of a missing Interface box.
>
> Okay, now onto the interesting part.
> SWIM really wanted to understand what makes this program tick, or not tick
> as is quite often the case. She decided to buy the Ripmax Joystick
Interface
> cable which plugs into the Game port on your computer and see how things
> faired, since many people were having difficulty getting this to work with
> Realflight, in particular the Throttle axis was stuck on 33% and was
> completely ignored by RF.
> There were numerous posts on the greatplanes knowledgebase about this
> non-working throttle control, and it seems nobody had the answer to it.
>
> SWIM has now discovered that the problem lies *solely* within RealFlight
> working under Windows 2000 or XP. She has concluded that under Windows Me
> (Millennium Edition), and most likely 98 (possibly 95 too), all works
> PERFECTLY.
>
> She also points out that the initial release of RF had problems with some
> video cards, most notably nVidia GeForce 2 or TNT cards, and that an
update
> to the program is required. Update 2.00.533 is available from eDonkey
also,
> and is also on a website which features Sceadu models for FMS and
> RealFlight. She mentioned that this was a website owned by a French
person.
> Try google searching for Realflight G2 update 533.
>
> Hasn't she done us proud?
>
> SWIM has summarised that anybody wanting to evaluate RFG2, or get a
> legitimate copy working that is missing the TX interface should do the
> following:
>
> 1. If you are running Win 2000 or XP, Install Windows 98/Me as a second
O/S,
> or stick an old hard drive in and whack it on there, or remove Win 2000 /
XP
> if you don't mind the 'downgrade'.
>
> 2. Install the Ripmax Joystick Interface Driver, which you should download
> from
> http://www.ripmax.com/Home/drivers95.htm
>
> 3. Install RealFlight G2 from the CD, which you either bought second-hand,
> or downloaded and burned using CloneCD.
> Enter your name, the program serial number, and leave the TX Interface
> serial number box blank.
>
> Update RealFlight to version 2.00.533 *BEFORE* starting RealFlight.
>
> Start RealFlight, go to controls and pick the Joystick Interface and setup
> accordingly.
>
> ----------------
> I had serious issues about posting this information, but it seems
> GreatPlanes won't even tell people on their support knowledgebase that the
> Throttle problem only occurs with Win2000/XP. They are just leaving people
> in the dark about why it doesn't work.
> It's not that though. I talked with SWIM for a while, and I think her
> feelings on the matter make pretty good sense. She thinks RFG2 is a very
> good product, but that it is too much money for newbies to spend, which
> leaves a bit of a conundrum. She feels that the hobby would benefit from
> more enthusiasts, but sees a catch-22 situation.
>
> 1. The initial cost outlay for a Heli setup is felt as huge for many
> newbies, and that these newbies know they will crash, and that this will
> definitely cost them even more
>
> 2. She feels that RealFlight would help people get the hang of flying to a
> certain extent, and thus settle some of their fears about crashing, but
that
> RealFlight adds substantially to the first issue of cost.
>
> Some of the cost for RFG2 must go to paying for the Transmitter
> Interface/Dummy transmitter combo thing (hardware).
> SWIM would like to see a 'cut down' version of RealFlight which could be
> bundled with genuine Helicopter or Transmitter kits, with the inexpensive
> Ripmax Interface.
> Perhaps an 'OEM' copy of RealFlight, which can only be bought with a
> JR/Futaba/Whatever proper transmitter, and which is limited because it is
> only really suitable for training newbies (she hasn't thought this through
> all the way, but perhaps no 3D flying... throttle/pitch curves fixed or
> something. Limited number of Airports & Models, inability to modify or add
> Airports & Models.
>
> She thinks that for a SUBSTANTIALLY reduced cost, almost EVERYBODY would
buy
> this product, in fact, it could become an accepted norm to buy it if
you're
> a newbie, or as said before some kind of control on bundling it with
> hardware.
> Since GreatPlanes would not need to supply any of their hardware, they
> should be able to reduce the cost to something like £40. Whatever. Let the
> user pay the £15 for the Ripmax interface.
>
> Surely SWIM is onto something here, even if she hasn't thought through the
> whole business-strategy for them.
>
> Obviously they would have to fix the Win2000/XP throttle problem in this
> OEM/bundle version of RFG2, but this would give them a reason too. Right
now
> the only reason for fixing the problem is to help people use pirate
copies.
>
>

..............too bad napster is closed,i just wanted to download a Raptor60
with all digital servos and maybe a new transmitter........lol. (just
kidding)

"Paris" <par ap*o@hot*mail.c om> wrote in message
news:b07hao$1vka$1@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr...
> .............too bad napster is closed,i just wanted to download a
Raptor60
> with all digital servos and maybe a new transmitter........lol. (just
> kidding)

:-) hah

I have spent a lot of money on legit copies of real flight. I wouldn't let
anyone copy mine (because they cost me so much) but I don't mind people
having copies in general. I can understand the drive to copy because of the
ridiculous amounts that Real Flight and Ripmax charge.

In particular, in the UK I felt particularly hard done buy. For one, the
products are imported at a rate of 1USD = 1GBP. I had Real Flight Deluxe
which cost me 180GBP. 14 months later G2 was out. Was I entitled to any
rduced price upgrade or money back voucher like in the States (No). Instead
I had to buy an upgrade for 100GBP. Ripmax claim this to be reduced price
upgrade but to be honest if you take away the cost of the controller or
interface from the full retail package it wouldn't be far off 100GBP.

What's more we pay more than in the USA but but don't get the support. Sure
there's the online updates but if you try to speak to Ripmax you get little
sense and RealFlight (in my experience) don't seem to respond to enquiries
from the UK.

A word of warning about illegal copies though. Nothing over the internet is
private. Because you have to register online, even if you fill out bogus
details you leave your IP address (plus other info) as your calling card.
If you have done this using a static IP address (like the majority of
broadband connections) then you have as good as given their prosecutors your
name and address and clear evidence of your crime. Even if you have used a
dynamic IP it wouldn't take much detective work to track you down.

I shouldn't imagine that they will bother but one day, when theft has gone
too far, the suppliers just may well decide to make an example of someone.

Cheers,

Nigel


"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:b07ahe$t5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Okay, so you've been onto eDonkey or eMule and gotten yourself a copy of
> Realflight G2.
>
> You are a *bad* person. But you don't need me to tell you that.
>
> Well, since you've already broken the law and risked your house, life,
> business and any chance of ever have a clear conscience, you might as well
> get something out of it, right?
>
> Let me explain the score. Actually, I better start off by saying that I do
> not have a pirate copy of Realflight, and that I would never do anything
> like this. In fact, everything explained here was done by a person who
will
> hereafter be referred to as SWIM (someone who isn't me), since I don't
want
> to drop her in the shit either.
>
> Realflight G2 does *not* have a dongle, as has been suggested by someone
> here. The R/C Interface is an optional component, not a dongle or other
> hardware necessity. During the initial installation of RFG2, you are
> required to enter a serial number (actually two serial numbers, but more
on
> this later). SWIM says typing '22989276-G2-1890206976' or
> '96911351-G2-4590104232' (without quotes) in the serial number box will
> satisfy this requirement. SWIM thinks that this is not actually a genuine
> Realflight G2 serial number, and that it is simply a way of telling RFG2
> that you don't have a serial number but would like to try the program
> anyway.
>
> Cool.
>
> The program also requires that you enter a name. SWIM has noticed that
this
> must be a minimum of three (3) characters, and that anything less is
> unacceptable and means you won't be able to carry-on (the 'next' button
will
> remain greyed out).
>
> The second serial number is for the transmitter interface. If you *do*
have
> the Realflight transmitter interface, say for example if you bought your
> RFG2 from a pawn shop, but still don't have the proper serial numbers,
then
> SWIM says you can type '4133025-RT-021078' in this box. Again SWIM thinks
> this is for special circumstances such as in the example given.
>
> If you do *not* have the transmitter interface, then you must leave this
> second serial number field blank, or else RFG2 will not start, complaining
> of a missing Interface box.
>
> Okay, now onto the interesting part.
> SWIM really wanted to understand what makes this program tick, or not tick
> as is quite often the case. She decided to buy the Ripmax Joystick
Interface
> cable which plugs into the Game port on your computer and see how things
> faired, since many people were having difficulty getting this to work with
> Realflight, in particular the Throttle axis was stuck on 33% and was
> completely ignored by RF.
> There were numerous posts on the greatplanes knowledgebase about this
> non-working throttle control, and it seems nobody had the answer to it.
>
> SWIM has now discovered that the problem lies *solely* within RealFlight
> working under Windows 2000 or XP. She has concluded that under Windows Me
> (Millennium Edition), and most likely 98 (possibly 95 too), all works
> PERFECTLY.
>
> She also points out that the initial release of RF had problems with some
> video cards, most notably nVidia GeForce 2 or TNT cards, and that an
update
> to the program is required. Update 2.00.533 is available from eDonkey
also,
> and is also on a website which features Sceadu models for FMS and
> RealFlight. She mentioned that this was a website owned by a French
person.
> Try google searching for Realflight G2 update 533.
>
> Hasn't she done us proud?
>
> SWIM has summarised that anybody wanting to evaluate RFG2, or get a
> legitimate copy working that is missing the TX interface should do the
> following:
>
> 1. If you are running Win 2000 or XP, Install Windows 98/Me as a second
O/S,
> or stick an old hard drive in and whack it on there, or remove Win 2000 /
XP
> if you don't mind the 'downgrade'.
>
> 2. Install the Ripmax Joystick Interface Driver, which you should download
> from
> http://www.ripmax.com/Home/drivers95.htm
>
> 3. Install RealFlight G2 from the CD, which you either bought second-hand,
> or downloaded and burned using CloneCD.
> Enter your name, the program serial number, and leave the TX Interface
> serial number box blank.
>
> Update RealFlight to version 2.00.533 *BEFORE* starting RealFlight.
>
> Start RealFlight, go to controls and pick the Joystick Interface and setup
> accordingly.
>
> ----------------
> I had serious issues about posting this information, but it seems
> GreatPlanes won't even tell people on their support knowledgebase that the
> Throttle problem only occurs with Win2000/XP. They are just leaving people
> in the dark about why it doesn't work.
> It's not that though. I talked with SWIM for a while, and I think her
> feelings on the matter make pretty good sense. She thinks RFG2 is a very
> good product, but that it is too much money for newbies to spend, which
> leaves a bit of a conundrum. She feels that the hobby would benefit from
> more enthusiasts, but sees a catch-22 situation.
>
> 1. The initial cost outlay for a Heli setup is felt as huge for many
> newbies, and that these newbies know they will crash, and that this will
> definitely cost them even more
>
> 2. She feels that RealFlight would help people get the hang of flying to a
> certain extent, and thus settle some of their fears about crashing, but
that
> RealFlight adds substantially to the first issue of cost.
>
> Some of the cost for RFG2 must go to paying for the Transmitter
> Interface/Dummy transmitter combo thing (hardware).
> SWIM would like to see a 'cut down' version of RealFlight which could be
> bundled with genuine Helicopter or Transmitter kits, with the inexpensive
> Ripmax Interface.
> Perhaps an 'OEM' copy of RealFlight, which can only be bought with a
> JR/Futaba/Whatever proper transmitter, and which is limited because it is
> only really suitable for training newbies (she hasn't thought this through
> all the way, but perhaps no 3D flying... throttle/pitch curves fixed or
> something. Limited number of Airports & Models, inability to modify or add
> Airports & Models.
>
> She thinks that for a SUBSTANTIALLY reduced cost, almost EVERYBODY would
buy
> this product, in fact, it could become an accepted norm to buy it if
you're
> a newbie, or as said before some kind of control on bundling it with
> hardware.
> Since GreatPlanes would not need to supply any of their hardware, they
> should be able to reduce the cost to something like £40. Whatever. Let the
> user pay the £15 for the Ripmax interface.
>
> Surely SWIM is onto something here, even if she hasn't thought through the
> whole business-strategy for them.
>
> Obviously they would have to fix the Win2000/XP throttle problem in this
> OEM/bundle version of RFG2, but this would give them a reason too. Right
now
> the only reason for fixing the problem is to help people use pirate
copies.
>
>

Questions of piracy aside - What about running RFG2 in XP when in 98/Me
compatiblity mode ? Has anyone tried this ?

See my thread above...............

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:b07ahe$t5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Okay, so you've been onto eDonkey or eMule and gotten yourself a copy of
> Realflight G2.
>
> You are a *bad* person. But you don't need me to tell you that.
>
> Well, since you've already broken the law and risked your house, life,
> business and any chance of ever have a clear conscience, you might as well
> get something out of it, right?
>
> Let me explain the score. Actually, I better start off by saying that I do
> not have a pirate copy of Realflight, and that I would never do anything
> like this. In fact, everything explained here was done by a person who
will
> hereafter be referred to as SWIM (someone who isn't me), since I don't
want
> to drop her in the shit either.
>
> Realflight G2 does *not* have a dongle, as has been suggested by someone
> here. The R/C Interface is an optional component, not a dongle or other
> hardware necessity. During the initial installation of RFG2, you are
> required to enter a serial number (actually two serial numbers, but more
on
> this later). SWIM says typing '22989276-G2-1890206976' or
> '96911351-G2-4590104232' (without quotes) in the serial number box will
> satisfy this requirement. SWIM thinks that this is not actually a genuine
> Realflight G2 serial number, and that it is simply a way of telling RFG2
> that you don't have a serial number but would like to try the program
> anyway.
>
> Cool.
>
> The program also requires that you enter a name. SWIM has noticed that
this
> must be a minimum of three (3) characters, and that anything less is
> unacceptable and means you won't be able to carry-on (the 'next' button
will
> remain greyed out).
>
> The second serial number is for the transmitter interface. If you *do*
have
> the Realflight transmitter interface, say for example if you bought your
> RFG2 from a pawn shop, but still don't have the proper serial numbers,
then
> SWIM says you can type '4133025-RT-021078' in this box. Again SWIM thinks
> this is for special circumstances such as in the example given.
>
> If you do *not* have the transmitter interface, then you must leave this
> second serial number field blank, or else RFG2 will not start, complaining
> of a missing Interface box.
>
> Okay, now onto the interesting part.
> SWIM really wanted to understand what makes this program tick, or not tick
> as is quite often the case. She decided to buy the Ripmax Joystick
Interface
> cable which plugs into the Game port on your computer and see how things
> faired, since many people were having difficulty getting this to work with
> Realflight, in particular the Throttle axis was stuck on 33% and was
> completely ignored by RF.
> There were numerous posts on the greatplanes knowledgebase about this
> non-working throttle control, and it seems nobody had the answer to it.
>
> SWIM has now discovered that the problem lies *solely* within RealFlight
> working under Windows 2000 or XP. She has concluded that under Windows Me
> (Millennium Edition), and most likely 98 (possibly 95 too), all works
> PERFECTLY.
>
> She also points out that the initial release of RF had problems with some
> video cards, most notably nVidia GeForce 2 or TNT cards, and that an
update
> to the program is required. Update 2.00.533 is available from eDonkey
also,
> and is also on a website which features Sceadu models for FMS and
> RealFlight. She mentioned that this was a website owned by a French
person.
> Try google searching for Realflight G2 update 533.
>
> Hasn't she done us proud?
>
> SWIM has summarised that anybody wanting to evaluate RFG2, or get a
> legitimate copy working that is missing the TX interface should do the
> following:
>
> 1. If you are running Win 2000 or XP, Install Windows 98/Me as a second
O/S,
> or stick an old hard drive in and whack it on there, or remove Win 2000 /
XP
> if you don't mind the 'downgrade'.
>
> 2. Install the Ripmax Joystick Interface Driver, which you should download
> from
> http://www.ripmax.com/Home/drivers95.htm
>
> 3. Install RealFlight G2 from the CD, which you either bought second-hand,
> or downloaded and burned using CloneCD.
> Enter your name, the program serial number, and leave the TX Interface
> serial number box blank.
>
> Update RealFlight to version 2.00.533 *BEFORE* starting RealFlight.
>
> Start RealFlight, go to controls and pick the Joystick Interface and setup
> accordingly.
>
> ----------------
> I had serious issues about posting this information, but it seems
> GreatPlanes won't even tell people on their support knowledgebase that the
> Throttle problem only occurs with Win2000/XP. They are just leaving people
> in the dark about why it doesn't work.
> It's not that though. I talked with SWIM for a while, and I think her
> feelings on the matter make pretty good sense. She thinks RFG2 is a very
> good product, but that it is too much money for newbies to spend, which
> leaves a bit of a conundrum. She feels that the hobby would benefit from
> more enthusiasts, but sees a catch-22 situation.
>
> 1. The initial cost outlay for a Heli setup is felt as huge for many
> newbies, and that these newbies know they will crash, and that this will
> definitely cost them even more
>
> 2. She feels that RealFlight would help people get the hang of flying to a
> certain extent, and thus settle some of their fears about crashing, but
that
> RealFlight adds substantially to the first issue of cost.
>
> Some of the cost for RFG2 must go to paying for the Transmitter
> Interface/Dummy transmitter combo thing (hardware).
> SWIM would like to see a 'cut down' version of RealFlight which could be
> bundled with genuine Helicopter or Transmitter kits, with the inexpensive
> Ripmax Interface.
> Perhaps an 'OEM' copy of RealFlight, which can only be bought with a
> JR/Futaba/Whatever proper transmitter, and which is limited because it is
> only really suitable for training newbies (she hasn't thought this through
> all the way, but perhaps no 3D flying... throttle/pitch curves fixed or
> something. Limited number of Airports & Models, inability to modify or add
> Airports & Models.
>
> She thinks that for a SUBSTANTIALLY reduced cost, almost EVERYBODY would
buy
> this product, in fact, it could become an accepted norm to buy it if
you're
> a newbie, or as said before some kind of control on bundling it with
> hardware.
> Since GreatPlanes would not need to supply any of their hardware, they
> should be able to reduce the cost to something like £40. Whatever. Let the
> user pay the £15 for the Ripmax interface.
>
> Surely SWIM is onto something here, even if she hasn't thought through the
> whole business-strategy for them.
>
> Obviously they would have to fix the Win2000/XP throttle problem in this
> OEM/bundle version of RFG2, but this would give them a reason too. Right
now
> the only reason for fixing the problem is to help people use pirate
copies.
>
>

"MeanGreeny" <simon.lupton@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:b09fhq$mnl$1@helle.btinternet.com...
> Questions of piracy aside - What about running RFG2 in XP when in 98/Me
> compatiblity mode ? Has anyone tried this ?
>

What a wonderful idea!

I'll try it !

I mean I'll ask SWIM to try it.

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:b09i6p$79i$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> "MeanGreeny" <simon.lupton@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:b09fhq$mnl$1@helle.btinternet.com...
> > Questions of piracy aside - What about running RFG2 in XP when in 98/Me
> > compatiblity mode ? Has anyone tried this ?
> >
>
> What a wonderful idea!
>
> I'll try it !
>
>

Oh and don't install any updates more recent than 2.00.533.
Update 2.00.592 is available from a particular French website, and also
eDonkey, but this appears to improve the cd-check mechanism, resulting in a
non-working RealFlight.

Stick to update 2.00.533, this fixes the important problems with white
screens on certain graphics chipsets.

Carl

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:b07ahe$t5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Okay, so you've been onto eDonkey or eMule and gotten yourself a copy of
> Realflight G2.
>
> You are a *bad* person. But you don't need me to tell you that.
>
> Well, since you've already broken the law and risked your house, life,
> business and any chance of ever have a clear conscience, you might as well
> get something out of it, right?
>
> Let me explain the score. Actually, I better start off by saying that I do
> not have a pirate copy of Realflight, and that I would never do anything
> like this. In fact, everything explained here was done by a person who
will
> hereafter be referred to as SWIM (someone who isn't me), since I don't
want
> to drop her in the shit either.
>
> Realflight G2 does *not* have a dongle, as has been suggested by someone
> here. The R/C Interface is an optional component, not a dongle or other
> hardware necessity. During the initial installation of RFG2, you are
> required to enter a serial number (actually two serial numbers, but more
on
> this later). SWIM says typing '22989276-G2-1890206976' or
> '96911351-G2-4590104232' (without quotes) in the serial number box will
> satisfy this requirement. SWIM thinks that this is not actually a genuine
> Realflight G2 serial number, and that it is simply a way of telling RFG2
> that you don't have a serial number but would like to try the program
> anyway.
>
> Cool.
>
> The program also requires that you enter a name. SWIM has noticed that
this
> must be a minimum of three (3) characters, and that anything less is
> unacceptable and means you won't be able to carry-on (the 'next' button
will
> remain greyed out).
>
> The second serial number is for the transmitter interface. If you *do*
have
> the Realflight transmitter interface, say for example if you bought your
> RFG2 from a pawn shop, but still don't have the proper serial numbers,
then
> SWIM says you can type '4133025-RT-021078' in this box. Again SWIM thinks
> this is for special circumstances such as in the example given.
>
> If you do *not* have the transmitter interface, then you must leave this
> second serial number field blank, or else RFG2 will not start, complaining
> of a missing Interface box.
>
> Okay, now onto the interesting part.
> SWIM really wanted to understand what makes this program tick, or not tick
> as is quite often the case. She decided to buy the Ripmax Joystick
Interface
> cable which plugs into the Game port on your computer and see how things
> faired, since many people were having difficulty getting this to work with
> Realflight, in particular the Throttle axis was stuck on 33% and was
> completely ignored by RF.
> There were numerous posts on the greatplanes knowledgebase about this
> non-working throttle control, and it seems nobody had the answer to it.
>
> SWIM has now discovered that the problem lies *solely* within RealFlight
> working under Windows 2000 or XP. She has concluded that under Windows Me
> (Millennium Edition), and most likely 98 (possibly 95 too), all works
> PERFECTLY.
>
> She also points out that the initial release of RF had problems with some
> video cards, most notably nVidia GeForce 2 or TNT cards, and that an
update
> to the program is required. Update 2.00.533 is available from eDonkey
also,
> and is also on a website which features Sceadu models for FMS and
> RealFlight. She mentioned that this was a website owned by a French
person.
> Try google searching for Realflight G2 update 533.
>
> Hasn't she done us proud?
>
> SWIM has summarised that anybody wanting to evaluate RFG2, or get a
> legitimate copy working that is missing the TX interface should do the
> following:
>
> 1. If you are running Win 2000 or XP, Install Windows 98/Me as a second
O/S,
> or stick an old hard drive in and whack it on there, or remove Win 2000 /
XP
> if you don't mind the 'downgrade'.
>
> 2. Install the Ripmax Joystick Interface Driver, which you should download
> from
> http://www.ripmax.com/Home/drivers95.htm
>
> 3. Install RealFlight G2 from the CD, which you either bought second-hand,
> or downloaded and burned using CloneCD.
> Enter your name, the program serial number, and leave the TX Interface
> serial number box blank.
>
> Update RealFlight to version 2.00.533 *BEFORE* starting RealFlight.
>
> Start RealFlight, go to controls and pick the Joystick Interface and setup
> accordingly.
>
> ----------------
> I had serious issues about posting this information, but it seems
> GreatPlanes won't even tell people on their support knowledgebase that the
> Throttle problem only occurs with Win2000/XP. They are just leaving people
> in the dark about why it doesn't work.
> It's not that though. I talked with SWIM for a while, and I think her
> feelings on the matter make pretty good sense. She thinks RFG2 is a very
> good product, but that it is too much money for newbies to spend, which
> leaves a bit of a conundrum. She feels that the hobby would benefit from
> more enthusiasts, but sees a catch-22 situation.
>
> 1. The initial cost outlay for a Heli setup is felt as huge for many
> newbies, and that these newbies know they will crash, and that this will
> definitely cost them even more
>
> 2. She feels that RealFlight would help people get the hang of flying to a
> certain extent, and thus settle some of their fears about crashing, but
that
> RealFlight adds substantially to the first issue of cost.
>
> Some of the cost for RFG2 must go to paying for the Transmitter
> Interface/Dummy transmitter combo thing (hardware).
> SWIM would like to see a 'cut down' version of RealFlight which could be
> bundled with genuine Helicopter or Transmitter kits, with the inexpensive
> Ripmax Interface.
> Perhaps an 'OEM' copy of RealFlight, which can only be bought with a
> JR/Futaba/Whatever proper transmitter, and which is limited because it is
> only really suitable for training newbies (she hasn't thought this through
> all the way, but perhaps no 3D flying... throttle/pitch curves fixed or
> something. Limited number of Airports & Models, inability to modify or add
> Airports & Models.
>
> She thinks that for a SUBSTANTIALLY reduced cost, almost EVERYBODY would
buy
> this product, in fact, it could become an accepted norm to buy it if
you're
> a newbie, or as said before some kind of control on bundling it with
> hardware.
> Since GreatPlanes would not need to supply any of their hardware, they
> should be able to reduce the cost to something like £40. Whatever. Let the
> user pay the £15 for the Ripmax interface.
>
> Surely SWIM is onto something here, even if she hasn't thought through the
> whole business-strategy for them.
>
> Obviously they would have to fix the Win2000/XP throttle problem in this
> OEM/bundle version of RFG2, but this would give them a reason too. Right
now
> the only reason for fixing the problem is to help people use pirate
copies.
>
>

"MeanGreeny" <simon.lupton@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:b09fhq$mnl$1@helle.btinternet.com...
> Questions of piracy aside - What about running RFG2 in XP when in 98/Me
> compatiblity mode ? Has anyone tried this ?
>

SWIM said it made no difference.

New light shed on the Throttle control problem:
(from http://www.ripmax.com/Home/Windows-XP-Fix.htm )

R/C Joystick Configuration
Click here to download the RC Joystick Configuration program to be used with
Ripmax R/C Simulator.

If after downloading the Windows XP/2000 compatible version of the R/C
Simulator.exe file you find that you still have no throttle or rudder
control or you find that some of your controls are not functioning properly
you will need to download and run the R/C Joystick Configuration program.


-------------

This shall be tried

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:b07ahe$t5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Okay, so you've been onto eDonkey or eMule and gotten yourself a copy of
> Realflight G2.
>
> You are a *bad* person. But you don't need me to tell you that.
>
> Well, since you've already broken the law and risked your house, life,
> business and any chance of ever have a clear conscience, you might as well
> get something out of it, right?
>
> Let me explain the score. Actually, I better start off by saying that I do
> not have a pirate copy of Realflight, and that I would never do anything
> like this. In fact, everything explained here was done by a person who
will
> hereafter be referred to as SWIM (someone who isn't me), since I don't
want
> to drop her in the shit either.
>
> Realflight G2 does *not* have a dongle, as has been suggested by someone
> here. The R/C Interface is an optional component, not a dongle or other
> hardware necessity. During the initial installation of RFG2, you are
> required to enter a serial number (actually two serial numbers, but more
on
> this later). SWIM says typing '22989276-G2-1890206976' or
> '96911351-G2-4590104232' (without quotes) in the serial number box will
> satisfy this requirement. SWIM thinks that this is not actually a genuine
> Realflight G2 serial number, and that it is simply a way of telling RFG2
> that you don't have a serial number but would like to try the program
> anyway.
>
> Cool.
>
> The program also requires that you enter a name. SWIM has noticed that
this
> must be a minimum of three (3) characters, and that anything less is
> unacceptable and means you won't be able to carry-on (the 'next' button
will
> remain greyed out).
>
> The second serial number is for the transmitter interface. If you *do*
have
> the Realflight transmitter interface, say for example if you bought your
> RFG2 from a pawn shop, but still don't have the proper serial numbers,
then
> SWIM says you can type '4133025-RT-021078' in this box. Again SWIM thinks
> this is for special circumstances such as in the example given.
>
> If you do *not* have the transmitter interface, then you must leave this
> second serial number field blank, or else RFG2 will not start, complaining
> of a missing Interface box.
>
> Okay, now onto the interesting part.
> SWIM really wanted to understand what makes this program tick, or not tick
> as is quite often the case. She decided to buy the Ripmax Joystick
Interface
> cable which plugs into the Game port on your computer and see how things
> faired, since many people were having difficulty getting this to work with
> Realflight, in particular the Throttle axis was stuck on 33% and was
> completely ignored by RF.
> There were numerous posts on the greatplanes knowledgebase about this
> non-working throttle control, and it seems nobody had the answer to it.
>
> SWIM has now discovered that the problem lies *solely* within RealFlight
> working under Windows 2000 or XP. She has concluded that under Windows Me
> (Millennium Edition), and most likely 98 (possibly 95 too), all works
> PERFECTLY.
>
> She also points out that the initial release of RF had problems with some
> video cards, most notably nVidia GeForce 2 or TNT cards, and that an
update
> to the program is required. Update 2.00.533 is available from eDonkey
also,
> and is also on a website which features Sceadu models for FMS and
> RealFlight. She mentioned that this was a website owned by a French
person.
> Try google searching for Realflight G2 update 533.
>
> Hasn't she done us proud?
>
> SWIM has summarised that anybody wanting to evaluate RFG2, or get a
> legitimate copy working that is missing the TX interface should do the
> following:
>
> 1. If you are running Win 2000 or XP, Install Windows 98/Me as a second
O/S,
> or stick an old hard drive in and whack it on there, or remove Win 2000 /
XP
> if you don't mind the 'downgrade'.
>
> 2. Install the Ripmax Joystick Interface Driver, which you should download
> from
> http://www.ripmax.com/Home/drivers95.htm
>
> 3. Install RealFlight G2 from the CD, which you either bought second-hand,
> or downloaded and burned using CloneCD.
> Enter your name, the program serial number, and leave the TX Interface
> serial number box blank.
>
> Update RealFlight to version 2.00.533 *BEFORE* starting RealFlight.
>
> Start RealFlight, go to controls and pick the Joystick Interface and setup
> accordingly.
>
> ----------------
> I had serious issues about posting this information, but it seems
> GreatPlanes won't even tell people on their support knowledgebase that the
> Throttle problem only occurs with Win2000/XP. They are just leaving people
> in the dark about why it doesn't work.
> It's not that though. I talked with SWIM for a while, and I think her
> feelings on the matter make pretty good sense. She thinks RFG2 is a very
> good product, but that it is too much money for newbies to spend, which
> leaves a bit of a conundrum. She feels that the hobby would benefit from
> more enthusiasts, but sees a catch-22 situation.
>
> 1. The initial cost outlay for a Heli setup is felt as huge for many
> newbies, and that these newbies know they will crash, and that this will
> definitely cost them even more
>
> 2. She feels that RealFlight would help people get the hang of flying to a
> certain extent, and thus settle some of their fears about crashing, but
that
> RealFlight adds substantially to the first issue of cost.
>
> Some of the cost for RFG2 must go to paying for the Transmitter
> Interface/Dummy transmitter combo thing (hardware).
> SWIM would like to see a 'cut down' version of RealFlight which could be
> bundled with genuine Helicopter or Transmitter kits, with the inexpensive
> Ripmax Interface.
> Perhaps an 'OEM' copy of RealFlight, which can only be bought with a
> JR/Futaba/Whatever proper transmitter, and which is limited because it is
> only really suitable for training newbies (she hasn't thought this through
> all the way, but perhaps no 3D flying... throttle/pitch curves fixed or
> something. Limited number of Airports & Models, inability to modify or add
> Airports & Models.
>
> She thinks that for a SUBSTANTIALLY reduced cost, almost EVERYBODY would
buy
> this product, in fact, it could become an accepted norm to buy it if
you're
> a newbie, or as said before some kind of control on bundling it with
> hardware.
> Since GreatPlanes would not need to supply any of their hardware, they
> should be able to reduce the cost to something like £40. Whatever. Let the
> user pay the £15 for the Ripmax interface.
>
> Surely SWIM is onto something here, even if she hasn't thought through the
> whole business-strategy for them.
>
> Obviously they would have to fix the Win2000/XP throttle problem in this
> OEM/bundle version of RFG2, but this would give them a reason too. Right
now
> the only reason for fixing the problem is to help people use pirate
copies.
>
>

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message news:<b0gdnh$d7q$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>...
> New light shed on the Throttle control problem:
> (from http://www.ripmax.com/Home/Windows-XP-Fix.htm )
>
> R/C Joystick Configuration
> Click here to download the RC Joystick Configuration program to be used with
> Ripmax R/C Simulator.
>
> If after downloading the Windows XP/2000 compatible version of the R/C
> Simulator.exe file you find that you still have no throttle or rudder
> control or you find that some of your controls are not functioning properly
> you will need to download and run the R/C Joystick Configuration program.
>
>
> -------------
>
> This shall be tried
>
> "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
> news:b07ahe$t5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Okay, so you've been onto eDonkey or eMule and gotten yourself a copy of
> > Realflight G2.
> >
> > You are a *bad* person. But you don't need me to tell you that.
> >
> > Well, since you've already broken the law and risked your house, life,
> > business and any chance of ever have a clear conscience, you might as well
> > get something out of it, right?
> >
> > Let me explain the score. Actually, I better start off by saying that I do
> > not have a pirate copy of Realflight, and that I would never do anything
> > like this. In fact, everything explained here was done by a person who
> will
> > hereafter be referred to as SWIM (someone who isn't me), since I don't
> want
> > to drop her in the shit either.
> >
> > Realflight G2 does *not* have a dongle, as has been suggested by someone
> > here. The R/C Interface is an optional component, not a dongle or other
> > hardware necessity. During the initial installation of RFG2, you are
> > required to enter a serial number (actually two serial numbers, but more
> on
> > this later). SWIM says typing '22989276-G2-1890206976' or
> > '96911351-G2-4590104232' (without quotes) in the serial number box will
> > satisfy this requirement. SWIM thinks that this is not actually a genuine
> > Realflight G2 serial number, and that it is simply a way of telling RFG2
> > that you don't have a serial number but would like to try the program
> > anyway.
> >
> > Cool.
> >
> > The program also requires that you enter a name. SWIM has noticed that
> this
> > must be a minimum of three (3) characters, and that anything less is
> > unacceptable and means you won't be able to carry-on (the 'next' button
> will
> > remain greyed out).
> >
> > The second serial number is for the transmitter interface. If you *do*
> have
> > the Realflight transmitter interface, say for example if you bought your
> > RFG2 from a pawn shop, but still don't have the proper serial numbers,
> then
> > SWIM says you can type '4133025-RT-021078' in this box. Again SWIM thinks
> > this is for special circumstances such as in the example given.
> >
> > If you do *not* have the transmitter interface, then you must leave this
> > second serial number field blank, or else RFG2 will not start, complaining
> > of a missing Interface box.
> >
> > Okay, now onto the interesting part.
> > SWIM really wanted to understand what makes this program tick, or not tick
> > as is quite often the case. She decided to buy the Ripmax Joystick
> Interface
> > cable which plugs into the Game port on your computer and see how things
> > faired, since many people were having difficulty getting this to work with
> > Realflight, in particular the Throttle axis was stuck on 33% and was
> > completely ignored by RF.
> > There were numerous posts on the greatplanes knowledgebase about this
> > non-working throttle control, and it seems nobody had the answer to it.
> >
> > SWIM has now discovered that the problem lies *solely* within RealFlight
> > working under Windows 2000 or XP. She has concluded that under Windows Me
> > (Millennium Edition), and most likely 98 (possibly 95 too), all works
> > PERFECTLY.
> >
> > She also points out that the initial release of RF had problems with some
> > video cards, most notably nVidia GeForce 2 or TNT cards, and that an
> update
> > to the program is required. Update 2.00.533 is available from eDonkey
> also,
> > and is also on a website which features Sceadu models for FMS and
> > RealFlight. She mentioned that this was a website owned by a French
> person.
> > Try google searching for Realflight G2 update 533.
> >
> > Hasn't she done us proud?
> >
> > SWIM has summarised that anybody wanting to evaluate RFG2, or get a
> > legitimate copy working that is missing the TX interface should do the
> > following:
> >
> > 1. If you are running Win 2000 or XP, Install Windows 98/Me as a second
> O/S,
> > or stick an old hard drive in and whack it on there, or remove Win 2000 /
> XP
> > if you don't mind the 'downgrade'.
> >
> > 2. Install the Ripmax Joystick Interface Driver, which you should download
> > from
> > http://www.ripmax.com/Home/drivers95.htm
> >
> > 3. Install RealFlight G2 from the CD, which you either bought second-hand,
> > or downloaded and burned using CloneCD.
> > Enter your name, the program serial number, and leave the TX Interface
> > serial number box blank.
> >
> > Update RealFlight to version 2.00.533 *BEFORE* starting RealFlight.
> >
> > Start RealFlight, go to controls and pick the Joystick Interface and setup
> > accordingly.
> >
> > ----------------
> > I had serious issues about posting this information, but it seems
> > GreatPlanes won't even tell people on their support knowledgebase that the
> > Throttle problem only occurs with Win2000/XP. They are just leaving people
> > in the dark about why it doesn't work.
> > It's not that though. I talked with SWIM for a while, and I think her
> > feelings on the matter make pretty good sense. She thinks RFG2 is a very
> > good product, but that it is too much money for newbies to spend, which
> > leaves a bit of a conundrum. She feels that the hobby would benefit from
> > more enthusiasts, but sees a catch-22 situation.
> >
> > 1. The initial cost outlay for a Heli setup is felt as huge for many
> > newbies, and that these newbies know they will crash, and that this will
> > definitely cost them even more
> >
> > 2. She feels that RealFlight would help people get the hang of flying to a
> > certain extent, and thus settle some of their fears about crashing, but
> that
> > RealFlight adds substantially to the first issue of cost.
> >
> > Some of the cost for RFG2 must go to paying for the Transmitter
> > Interface/Dummy transmitter combo thing (hardware).
> > SWIM would like to see a 'cut down' version of RealFlight which could be
> > bundled with genuine Helicopter or Transmitter kits, with the inexpensive
> > Ripmax Interface.
> > Perhaps an 'OEM' copy of RealFlight, which can only be bought with a
> > JR/Futaba/Whatever proper transmitter, and which is limited because it is
> > only really suitable for training newbies (she hasn't thought this through
> > all the way, but perhaps no 3D flying... throttle/pitch curves fixed or
> > something. Limited number of Airports & Models, inability to modify or add
> > Airports & Models.
> >
> > She thinks that for a SUBSTANTIALLY reduced cost, almost EVERYBODY would
> buy
> > this product, in fact, it could become an accepted norm to buy it if
> you're
> > a newbie, or as said before some kind of control on bundling it with
> > hardware.
> > Since GreatPlanes would not need to supply any of their hardware, they
> > should be able to reduce the cost to something like £40. Whatever. Let the
> > user pay the £15 for the Ripmax interface.
> >
> > Surely SWIM is onto something here, even if she hasn't thought through the
> > whole business-strategy for them.
> >
> > Obviously they would have to fix the Win2000/XP throttle problem in this
> > OEM/bundle version of RFG2, but this would give them a reason too. Right
> now
> > the only reason for fixing the problem is to help people use pirate
> copies.
> >
> >

Some great deal of sense talked here , my freind . As I recent newbie
I totaly agree. I have forked out for CSM and its Ok but a little
limited in more way than just the graphics. Ok I'm must be a bit slow
, but have looked for RFG2 on Overnet ( edonkey update ? ) and
Limewire etc and can't source the thing - SWIM , please give me a
final clue with what string is needed for searching.

forget the wonderful new serverless network they call overnet I find it
shit and useless.
eDonkey is the bollocks, but the program/interface is crap. Which is why
eMule is awesome
Get eMule, and get a good serverlist from ocbMaurice (google all these
things and you'll find the places).

there aren't many sources for RealFlight but it will eventually come. A lot
of people give up on edonkey/emule because they can't connect to a server.
Get yourself a decent-ish serverlist that has the main servers on it e.g.
Adanet, Donkey Control 1,2,3 & Silent-Bob. These servers have between 30,000
and 50,000 user limits. Keep trying to connect and you will eventually get
on. Once you get the source just leave it running. It's safe and doesn't
kill your upstream bandwidth too bad and no stupid adverts. It's not Kazaa
or Gatorware or anything. Just a fair trading tool.

take it easy and good luck

Carl
"crouisk" <scottwil5on@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1f42ecb0.0301221334.594f5b22@posting.google.c om...
> "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:<b0gdnh$d7q$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > New light shed on the Throttle control problem:
> > (from http://www.ripmax.com/Home/Windows-XP-Fix.htm )
> >
> > R/C Joystick Configuration
> > Click here to download the RC Joystick Configuration program to be used
with
> > Ripmax R/C Simulator.
> >
> > If after downloading the Windows XP/2000 compatible version of the R/C
> > Simulator.exe file you find that you still have no throttle or rudder
> > control or you find that some of your controls are not functioning
properly
> > you will need to download and run the R/C Joystick Configuration
program.
> >
> >
> > -------------
> >
> > This shall be tried
> >
> > "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
> > news:b07ahe$t5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > > Okay, so you've been onto eDonkey or eMule and gotten yourself a copy
of
> > > Realflight G2.
> > >
> > > You are a *bad* person. But you don't need me to tell you that.
> > >
> > > Well, since you've already broken the law and risked your house, life,
> > > business and any chance of ever have a clear conscience, you might as
well
> > > get something out of it, right?
> > >
> > > Let me explain the score. Actually, I better start off by saying that
I do
> > > not have a pirate copy of Realflight, and that I would never do
anything
> > > like this. In fact, everything explained here was done by a person who
> > will
> > > hereafter be referred to as SWIM (someone who isn't me), since I don't
> > want
> > > to drop her in the shit either.
> > >
> > > Realflight G2 does *not* have a dongle, as has been suggested by
someone
> > > here. The R/C Interface is an optional component, not a dongle or
other
> > > hardware necessity. During the initial installation of RFG2, you are
> > > required to enter a serial number (actually two serial numbers, but
more
> > on
> > > this later). SWIM says typing '22989276-G2-1890206976' or
> > > '96911351-G2-4590104232' (without quotes) in the serial number box
will
> > > satisfy this requirement. SWIM thinks that this is not actually a
genuine
> > > Realflight G2 serial number, and that it is simply a way of telling
RFG2
> > > that you don't have a serial number but would like to try the program
> > > anyway.
> > >
> > > Cool.
> > >
> > > The program also requires that you enter a name. SWIM has noticed that
> > this
> > > must be a minimum of three (3) characters, and that anything less is
> > > unacceptable and means you won't be able to carry-on (the 'next'
button
> > will
> > > remain greyed out).
> > >
> > > The second serial number is for the transmitter interface. If you *do*
> > have
> > > the Realflight transmitter interface, say for example if you bought
your
> > > RFG2 from a pawn shop, but still don't have the proper serial numbers,
> > then
> > > SWIM says you can type '4133025-RT-021078' in this box. Again SWIM
thinks
> > > this is for special circumstances such as in the example given.
> > >
> > > If you do *not* have the transmitter interface, then you must leave
this
> > > second serial number field blank, or else RFG2 will not start,
complaining
> > > of a missing Interface box.
> > >
> > > Okay, now onto the interesting part.
> > > SWIM really wanted to understand what makes this program tick, or not
tick
> > > as is quite often the case. She decided to buy the Ripmax Joystick
> > Interface
> > > cable which plugs into the Game port on your computer and see how
things
> > > faired, since many people were having difficulty getting this to work
with
> > > Realflight, in particular the Throttle axis was stuck on 33% and was
> > > completely ignored by RF.
> > > There were numerous posts on the greatplanes knowledgebase about this
> > > non-working throttle control, and it seems nobody had the answer to
it.
> > >
> > > SWIM has now discovered that the problem lies *solely* within
RealFlight
> > > working under Windows 2000 or XP. She has concluded that under Windows
Me
> > > (Millennium Edition), and most likely 98 (possibly 95 too), all works
> > > PERFECTLY.
> > >
> > > She also points out that the initial release of RF had problems with
some
> > > video cards, most notably nVidia GeForce 2 or TNT cards, and that an
> > update
> > > to the program is required. Update 2.00.533 is available from eDonkey
> > also,
> > > and is also on a website which features Sceadu models for FMS and
> > > RealFlight. She mentioned that this was a website owned by a French
> > person.
> > > Try google searching for Realflight G2 update 533.
> > >
> > > Hasn't she done us proud?
> > >
> > > SWIM has summarised that anybody wanting to evaluate RFG2, or get a
> > > legitimate copy working that is missing the TX interface should do the
> > > following:
> > >
> > > 1. If you are running Win 2000 or XP, Install Windows 98/Me as a
second
> > O/S,
> > > or stick an old hard drive in and whack it on there, or remove Win
2000 /
> > XP
> > > if you don't mind the 'downgrade'.
> > >
> > > 2. Install the Ripmax Joystick Interface Driver, which you should
download
> > > from
> > > http://www.ripmax.com/Home/drivers95.htm
> > >
> > > 3. Install RealFlight G2 from the CD, which you either bought
second-hand,
> > > or downloaded and burned using CloneCD.
> > > Enter your name, the program serial number, and leave the TX Interface
> > > serial number box blank.
> > >
> > > Update RealFlight to version 2.00.533 *BEFORE* starting RealFlight.
> > >
> > > Start RealFlight, go to controls and pick the Joystick Interface and
setup
> > > accordingly.
> > >
> > > ----------------
> > > I had serious issues about posting this information, but it seems
> > > GreatPlanes won't even tell people on their support knowledgebase that
the
> > > Throttle problem only occurs with Win2000/XP. They are just leaving
people
> > > in the dark about why it doesn't work.
> > > It's not that though. I talked with SWIM for a while, and I think her
> > > feelings on the matter make pretty good sense. She thinks RFG2 is a
very
> > > good product, but that it is too much money for newbies to spend,
which
> > > leaves a bit of a conundrum. She feels that the hobby would benefit
from
> > > more enthusiasts, but sees a catch-22 situation.
> > >
> > > 1. The initial cost outlay for a Heli setup is felt as huge for many
> > > newbies, and that these newbies know they will crash, and that this
will
> > > definitely cost them even more
> > >
> > > 2. She feels that RealFlight would help people get the hang of flying
to a
> > > certain extent, and thus settle some of their fears about crashing,
but
> > that
> > > RealFlight adds substantially to the first issue of cost.
> > >
> > > Some of the cost for RFG2 must go to paying for the Transmitter
> > > Interface/Dummy transmitter combo thing (hardware).
> > > SWIM would like to see a 'cut down' version of RealFlight which could
be
> > > bundled with genuine Helicopter or Transmitter kits, with the
inexpensive
> > > Ripmax Interface.
> > > Perhaps an 'OEM' copy of RealFlight, which can only be bought with a
> > > JR/Futaba/Whatever proper transmitter, and which is limited because it
is
> > > only really suitable for training newbies (she hasn't thought this
through
> > > all the way, but perhaps no 3D flying... throttle/pitch curves fixed
or
> > > something. Limited number of Airports & Models, inability to modify or
add
> > > Airports & Models.
> > >
> > > She thinks that for a SUBSTANTIALLY reduced cost, almost EVERYBODY
would
> > buy
> > > this product, in fact, it could become an accepted norm to buy it if
> > you're
> > > a newbie, or as said before some kind of control on bundling it with
> > > hardware.
> > > Since GreatPlanes would not need to supply any of their hardware, they
> > > should be able to reduce the cost to something like £40. Whatever. Let
the
> > > user pay the £15 for the Ripmax interface.
> > >
> > > Surely SWIM is onto something here, even if she hasn't thought through
the
> > > whole business-strategy for them.
> > >
> > > Obviously they would have to fix the Win2000/XP throttle problem in
this
> > > OEM/bundle version of RFG2, but this would give them a reason too.
Right
> > now
> > > the only reason for fixing the problem is to help people use pirate
> > copies.
> > >
> > >
>
> Some great deal of sense talked here , my freind . As I recent newbie
> I totaly agree. I have forked out for CSM and its Ok but a little
> limited in more way than just the graphics. Ok I'm must be a bit slow
> , but have looked for RFG2 on Overnet ( edonkey update ? ) and
> Limewire etc and can't source the thing - SWIM , please give me a
> final clue with what string is needed for searching.

just seen realflightg2 clonecd version on suprnova.org
got the updates there too. (games section)