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Old May 08, 2008, 08:39 AM
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Will Myanmar's Junta survive?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapc...ef=mpstoryview

Or will the people get tired of the foot dragging, and use the cyclone as an excuse to overthrow? Your opinions please.

*Disclaimer- This is not about Iraq, Afghanistan, Bush, AGW, or anything else, please keep comments restricted to the topic at hand.
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Old May 08, 2008, 09:24 AM
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They have probably disarmed the public, so I am guessing they will continue to rule.
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Old May 08, 2008, 09:51 AM
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Burma/Myanmar has been ruled by Socialist thugs since 1962. Soon after that, there actually were quite a few protests (mostly students) but they were all violently put down immediately. Don't think for a moment that the general population, certainly totally disarmed by now, could make any kind of headway in overturning a fully armed, brutal, Socialist, military, self-annointed, government.

In short, the people of Burma are totally screwed until an outside force makes a change for the benefit of the citizens of the country.
However, being as Burma is bordered by China, the country would turn into another Vie... (oops, I guess we're not supposed to mention any names like that here) in a heartbeat to where China would support the military junta without getting directly involved in a conflict.

All the 100,000 dead mean to the ruling military government is 100,000 less people to have to keep in line.
They just have to find a place to put them, that's all. That's how those kind of people think.

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Old May 08, 2008, 09:56 AM
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They have probably disarmed the public, so I am guessing they will continue to rule.
I would take the view that the public in Burma never had guns in the first place. They do have hunting weapons, as there are problems for conservationists trying to prevent the wildlife being hunted for food or in the case of animals like tigers being hunted for Chinese medicines, but these do not have to be guns.
These people are poor, they can't afford guns, if they had them they would probably be using them to hunt for food, not overthrow the government.
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Old May 08, 2008, 09:57 AM
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Understood, but how long do you think it'll take for the rest of the people to get sick of them dragging their feet on allowing aid to come in? There is a point at which a person will forget the guns, and charge ahead with a pitchfork......
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Old May 08, 2008, 09:59 AM
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Totally agree with HF. By not permitting foreign aid, they are suppressing and eliminating more of the potential opposition. I think their heel dragging over visas is just an effort to further subjugate the population. Aid seems to be directed to areas that are more likely to support the junta, and being diverted from the most needy.

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Old May 08, 2008, 10:24 AM
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And then we have Cuba which beats Burma by a couple of years in being a Socialist, military dictatorship. Once the military takes control the chance of returning to a democracy is very small.

Some humans just get screwed in life's lottery.
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Old May 08, 2008, 11:21 AM
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But the Cubans get free health care, and apparently the quality of medical education there is high enough to attract well meaning North American students who will trade a free education for a few years of public service in an underdeveloped country.

Plus the Cubans have some cool, old, Detroit cars, thanks to the embargo.

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Old May 08, 2008, 11:22 AM
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And then we have Cuba which beats Burma by a couple of years in being a Socialist, military dictatorship. Once the military takes control the chance of returning to a democracy is very small.

Some humans just get screwed in life's lottery.
Sure seems like they would at least allow help to come in.

What a sick government, makes ya want to send guns and ammo to the poor.
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Old May 08, 2008, 11:28 AM
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Plus the Cubans have some cool, old, Detroit cars, thanks to the embargo.
They can't buy BMWs?
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Old May 08, 2008, 12:35 PM
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They've disarmed their populace and have no reluctance to use the innate advantage due to this on any scale and in any way they desire. The junta is perfectly safe.
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Old May 08, 2008, 02:09 PM
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I agree, the military in Myanmar need to fear nothing due to the Cyclone.

On a side note, I think I've scooped what's been happening to the World's rice supply. According to a story on CNN, World Vision is prepared to deliver 35 million tons of rice to the affected people in Myanmar. That's like 5% of the world's total yearly output. It would amount to over 1000 lbs per person for the entire population of Myanmar. And only 600 people spreading out to deliver that much rice. What are they? Human ants, able to carry 200 times their body weight? I highly suspect a typo...

"World Vision has 600 staff members based in Myanmar who have spread out to deliver 35 million tons of rice, 4,000 gallons of water plus diesel fuel for generators that run pumps."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapc...mar/index.html
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Old May 08, 2008, 02:22 PM
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First off, Burma should be depopulated. It is not a safe place for humans to live. It should be carved up into huge rice plantations and all farmers should be evacuated before any cyclone.

Now that isn't going to happen. So we will see a humanitarian disaster every 3 or 4 years. I think that the Junta counts on these events to stay in power. It's hard for a people to resist when a huge number die naturally on a frequent basis and have to rebuild the pitiful homes/cities they live in.

The Junata will continue to abuse it's people and the west in it's love affair with hating the US has removed any moral authority to do anything about it except some silly sanctions.
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Old May 08, 2008, 02:44 PM
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Will Myanmar's Junta survive? Yes.

Burma is as close to an Orwellian state as any country on earth. The population is beaten down (philosophically speaking), so change must come from the outside. The best way to change Burma's government is to convince China that change is needed.

For some interesting insight, give "Finding George Orwell in Burma" a read.
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Old May 08, 2008, 02:51 PM
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Wasn't it a similar weather and food disaster in India that set into motion the formation of Bangladesh in the 70's?

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