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Old Jan 31, 2008, 05:42 PM
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Another schooner kit - T47

http://www.modelsailboat.com/t47.html

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Old Jan 31, 2008, 06:10 PM
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Welp ...

I am not a Fan of this kit from the start. I don't think Schooners should have Keel Fin's
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Old Jan 31, 2008, 06:37 PM
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Negative or positive comments appreciated.
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Old Jan 31, 2008, 07:17 PM
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Has a certain "grace" in the water, I'd say... looks like it would make a fun boat at the pond on a sunny day!
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Old Jan 31, 2008, 07:33 PM
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Cryodacry,

Will your V32 sail without a keel fin ?, I think not.
So why deny a Schooner one ?.

Even with its tiny, single sail your V32 will be lying flat on the water without its keel fin, at least some Schooners can sail with a scale Hull under the water.
Surely you can understand why a scale model has to be provided with extra righting moment, we are sailing in Full Size Water, just like the real boat.

You need to build a Schooner, keep it absolutely Scale under the water, then you will change your mind about keel fins.

John.
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Old Feb 02, 2008, 09:34 AM
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Seems expensive for a square box-type hull to me. If you've built a kit before of similar complexity you may want to branch out and scratch build your own schooner. I'm building one with a box-type hull from plans in a book for a full size boat. I can't imagine I've spent more than $75 yet, including the book, the wood, cloth for sails, paint, and $25 for fancy little bowsies and cleats imported from UK and Germany...Suppose another $100 for the radio.
I think its looks are on par with that one (of course I may eat my words when I finally get it in the water if it doesn't work!).
Here's the thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=800936
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Old Feb 04, 2008, 03:17 PM
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I've been following this thread of using a fin and bulb keel on a scale schooner. It really all comes down to righting moment required (rig height/area vs. keel/weight/depth) doesn't it? If you build a boat with a deep enough full keel and/or a short enough sail plan you don't need a deep fin and buld. Of course, a deeper fin and bulb will improve the handling of almost any type of boat. A deeper fin/bulb might have been used by the original shipwrights if they had access to materials that would have allowed them to move the ballast weight farther away fromt he hull.
I have attached a few pictures of my fathers scratch built schooner, currently being rebuilt by me. His construction plan was a line drawing in Sail magazine many years ago and just free handed the rest. It has a wider center section of the keel timber made from a lead casting. The boat is about 38" long and draws about 4" of water. He also has an aux engine and prop. The flying jib is not controlled, but will tack from side to side. It is a great boat for shallow or weedy lakes as it will glide over the weeds.
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Old Aug 04, 2008, 11:04 PM
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bumping an old thread.. i have eye balled this kit for some time and really have a an interest in doing a boat like this maybe this winter, has anymore info come up?? the price is a bit high but if its good gear and well made kit it sure beats the hassel of scratch building in my book.. and its a boat that wont need all the scale detail to be majestic onthe water.
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Old Aug 05, 2008, 05:34 AM
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It is very pricey for a box construction model.

The Mary J Ward (Schooner), or Ruby B (cutter), by Victor Models are both much more detailed and are a similar size.

They can also be modified to increase the sail plan.


The discussion on keel fins is interesting. Some boats have a non scale hull (deeper) with a lot of lead in. This is perhaps the neatest way to go. But as John has already said, yu cannot scale wind and water. It is possible that although it can be done without fin keel, the result is likely to be a light airs boat only.
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Old Aug 05, 2008, 05:43 AM
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I can't seem to insert pictures. But you can see pics of MJW if you register on this site. http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/for...?topic=2716.60


Q. How do I insert pictures on here?
Now I just get coding for IMG but no option to Browse.
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Old Aug 05, 2008, 07:48 AM
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i do like the rubyb ,, i hear the victor kits are alot of work tho. also to post pics here dont click on quik reply, if you use the reply at the bottom left under the threads newest post it will give you attachment options.
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Old Aug 05, 2008, 08:19 AM
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Hi Mike
I am not doing quick reply.
I have posted pics on here in the past and had no trouble. But I cannot browse anymore.

Maybe a temp problem with the site.
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Old Aug 05, 2008, 08:20 AM
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i do like the rubyb ,, i hear the victor kits are alot of work tho. also to post pics here dont click on quik reply, if you use the reply at the bottom left under the threads newest post it will give you attachment options.
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The Victor are not ARTR but a newbie like me can manage.
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Old Aug 05, 2008, 05:57 PM
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It is very pricey for a box construction model.

The Mary J Ward (Schooner), or Ruby B (cutter), by Victor Models are both much more detailed and are a similar size.
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Those Victor models appear to cost as much or more. The T47 has a wooden hull instead of a plastic one. Perhaps it's intended for someone who wants a wooden hull kit.
I have not seen the T47 kit but I did build a Tippecanoe T37 last year. The included instructuctions were very good, even going so far as specifying how much of the included West epoxy to mix with the included syringes for each step. Everone does not need that level of help but it sure helped me.
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Old Aug 05, 2008, 07:03 PM
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thanks. i for one like the look of the wood, and im leary of the thin plastic hulls victor sells, had a lcoal builder warn me of that,, however i did email George at victor about getting a sail rig for a MJW for a possible US12 conversion haha,, but man this t47 still looks great to me.. i wish it had more multichine hull tho.. i havent found any pics or video of this boat
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