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Old Jan 04, 2008, 02:32 PM
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Give it time and keep a look out, you just might be suprised with the up coming year.
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Me too! Thanks John, hope springs eternal!
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 02:59 PM
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Power Question John

First of all John the new Beaver is a "must have" plane for me...great job.

When I build one up I will be going with the "high power setup" and four cell lipos but I notice that the recommended cell count for the power 32 is 3 as stated here.

http://www.greathobbies.com/producti...d_id=EFLM4032A

You do state in the manual that the power 32 will run fine on 4 cells (correctly proped of course).....please advise.

Thanks in advance,

Mike
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 03:02 PM
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If the future offerings have the details like the hidden control horns as on the beaver, I may need to start saving for some purchases.

A chimpmunk or the WWII planes done like that...ouch ... my wallet hurts just thinking about it.
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 03:09 PM
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First of all John the new Beaver is a "must have" plane for me...great job.

When I build one up I will be going with the "high power setup" and four cell lipos but I notice that the recommended cell count for the power 32 is 3 as stated here.

http://www.greathobbies.com/producti...d_id=EFLM4032A

You do state in the manual that the power 32 will run fine on 4 cells (correctly proped of course).....please advise.

Thanks in advance,

Mike

Not to step in for Mr. Redman, but if you look at the spec sheet with the power 32 ( http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...structions.pdf ) it shows uses with 3s and 4s. Their spec chart also shows 3s or 4s ( http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo..._Motors_Ad.pdf )

Hope this helped.
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 03:19 PM
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Not to step in for Mr. Redman, but if you look at the spec sheet with the power 32 ( http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...structions.pdf ) it shows uses with 3s and 4s. Their spec chart also shows 3s or 4s ( http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo..._Motors_Ad.pdf )

Hope this helped.
Thanks P-51C, the online shop that I use must have incorrect info.

http://www.greathobbies.com/producti...d_id=EFLM4032A

Thanks,
Mike
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 04:23 PM
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Thanks P-51C. You are correct.

I am not sure where this online shop came up with these specs, but yes it can run on 4S all day long.

John
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 07:18 PM
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John, you just can't please 'em! I know for a fact that I couldn't build that airplane from scratch, finished and ready for equipment install for less than $200.00. And that is working for myself. If I had to make a profit at it, forget about it! If I have to shorten the gear slightly and fabricate new fairings to satisfy my sense of "scale" then at least that gives me a leg to stand on when I call myself a model builder. That kind of detail work it much easier to contemplate when someone else has already done the lions share.
One question, did you happen to use the scale type airfoil on this bird? One of the reasons the Beavers wing looks to be short on area is because DeHavilland used a high lift, undercambered airfoil specifically for lots of lift at relatively low airspeeds. Would be neat to see if it translated well to models. Great work, John.
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Just out of curiosity, how would this fly and compare to the e-flite J3 piper cub, with and without floats.

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Just out of curiosity, how would this fly and compare to the e-flite J3 piper cub, with and without floats.

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It would cost exactly 2 MN-48 servos more and a 20A higher ESC. The E-Flite J3 (which I have and love!) takes 4 servos, a Power 25 and a 40A ESC and 3s lipo - same as the wheeled Beaver, except the Beav recommends a 60A ESC.

The Float version would be more still, an extra $10 for the Power 32 over the Power 25, and another $40 for the 4s over the 3s lipo... plus the cost of floats.
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Mr. Redman, when do you think you'll have flying footage posted somewhere?
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 10:37 PM
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Oh boy, here we go again. One of my avorite models. Can't wait. Tom
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Old Jan 05, 2008, 09:38 AM
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Hey guys,

First off we did not use the scale airfoils, we use one that we felt would be fine for the model and still make it very easy to construct in mass production. Using the scale airfoils would have been a mess in mass production was out original thoughts.

The plane will fly slower than the Cub with flaps up or down. All in all you could fly our J-3 Cub on our Power 15 we came to realize later down the road, and would need the 25 for float flying.

The reason for recommending the 60 amp ESC is if some start with the Power 25 and then later on want to climb on the float program, they only neeed buy a new motor, and not a new ESC as well. The difference in price is only $10 between the two.

Winter has been pretty tough here this year and we still have not been able to get any float video footage. I will say that when flying off of floats on a still to nearly still lake, if you take off with full flaps, you just apply power and watch, she will lift off in about 125 feet on her own without any elevator input. If you do not use flaps for take off then you need a small amount of up elevator to break her loose from the water. With half flaps, she lifts off with just a slight hint of up elevator. Descending in with full flaps, the approach is slow and easy. This one blows the Cub away on floats, hands down.

For those that might wonder, the reason we do not video some of hte first flights is because the trim schemes are routinely not complete as we are tweaking and adjusting to ensure the best look and apperance both in the air and on the ground. Don't want to video the worng plane if you know what I mean. As soon as we have a pond or lake where the water moves (everything is froxen over right now) we will get out and get some footage for you guys.


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Old Jan 05, 2008, 10:39 AM
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John, You Horizion Guys are doing a wonderful job!!!!!!!!! We are absolutley living in one
of the best times in our great hobby. I have been building for over thirty years and I can not believe the scale airframes that Horizion has put out in the last several months.
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Hey guys,

First off we did not use the scale airfoils, we use one that we felt would be fine for the model and still make it very easy to construct in mass production. Using the scale airfoils would have been a mess in mass production was out original thoughts.

The plane will fly slower than the Cub with flaps up or down. All in all you could fly our J-3 Cub on our Power 15 we came to realize later down the road, and would need the 25 for float flying.

The reason for recommending the 60 amp ESC is if some start with the Power 25 and then later on want to climb on the float program, they only neeed buy a new motor, and not a new ESC as well. The difference in price is only $10 between the two.

Winter has been pretty tough here this year and we still have not been able to get any float video footage. I will say that when flying off of floats on a still to nearly still lake, if you take off with full flaps, you just apply power and watch, she will lift off in about 125 feet on her own without any elevator input. If you do not use flaps for take off then you need a small amount of up elevator to break her loose from the water. With half flaps, she lifts off with just a slight hint of up elevator. Descending in with full flaps, the approach is slow and easy. This one blows the Cub away on floats, hands down.

For those that might wonder, the reason we do not video some of hte first flights is because the trim schemes are routinely not complete as we are tweaking and adjusting to ensure the best look and apperance both in the air and on the ground. Don't want to video the worng plane if you know what I mean. As soon as we have a pond or lake where the water moves (everything is froxen over right now) we will get out and get some footage for you guys.


John
Thanks for all the responses to our questions. I can only image how tiring it must be to routinely have to type up this length of a response. Thanks again.
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We are absolutley living in one
of the best times in our great hobby. I have been building for over thirty years and I can not believe the scale airframes that Horizion has put out in the last several months.


And having vendor support to the level that John and others provide, right here, online and immediate?! It is the icing on the cake.

I keep thinking back to my first round in RC, back in the 80-90s ..."build thread"?! What the heck is that?

So you have a question about a plane or a power system ... back then, where would you go for info? You had better have a club pro handy or call or write a letter to a manufacturer?

Man, it is SO great this time around that I have to pinch myself to make sure I am not dreaming!
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