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Old Dec 12, 2002, 04:56 PM
John Banks
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Re: What's a good R/C helicopter kit for a newbie ???

Uuum...

Ehmmm...

Ocht damnit...

No, no wait...

Oh shit, shit, I KNOW this one...

Nah, it's gone.

Shit...




"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > My presence is obviously driving everyone away.
> >
> > I might (Jehovah forbid) let something offensive slip out.
> >
> > 2p
> >

> Ohh Christ, the J word again, this is all getting toooo much.
>
> OK so lets focus the mind then. You are obviously a Century expert (going

on
> some of your threads), so answer this one then.
>
> What's the exact size of the box the Hawk IV comes in (allowing 5mm all
> round for extra packing)?
>
> I dropped a heavy hint a couple of weeks ago and today a parcel arrived

from
> Midland Heli for the wife!!! And she wont let me open it!!!! I wonder if

the
> hints for the FF9 and GV1 landed as well?
>
> Confused,
>
> Phil Martin.
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Old Dec 12, 2002, 05:03 PM
John Banks
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Aha...

I can tell you what size of box the GV1 comes in....

170mm x 140mm x 55mm +/-2mm


"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0Q5K9.97$5W6.28@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > My presence is obviously driving everyone away.
> >
> > I might (Jehovah forbid) let something offensive slip out.
> >
> > 2p
> >

> Ohh Christ, the J word again, this is all getting toooo much.
>
> OK so lets focus the mind then. You are obviously a Century expert (going

on
> some of your threads), so answer this one then.
>
> What's the exact size of the box the Hawk IV comes in (allowing 5mm all
> round for extra packing)?
>
> I dropped a heavy hint a couple of weeks ago and today a parcel arrived

from
> Midland Heli for the wife!!! And she wont let me open it!!!! I wonder if

the
> hints for the FF9 and GV1 landed as well?
>
> Confused,
>
> Phil Martin.
>
>
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Old Dec 12, 2002, 06:18 PM
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"John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Aha...
>
> I can tell you what size of box the GV1 comes in....
>
> 170mm x 140mm x 55mm +/-2mm
>

Hmmm, what lovely dimensions;o)


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Old Dec 12, 2002, 09:24 PM
Bill Price
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Re: What's a good R/C helicopter kit for a newbie ???

Hi,

I don't know who John Banks is, but he is totally out of line and not very
helpful.

The very best heli for a newbie, without question, is the one the local
pilots have a lot of experience with. Go down to the local club and ask as
many questions as you can think up. You'll get umpteen opinions, as you
will on this NG, but you will also find several pilots who will offer to
help you get in the air. The help of an experienced pilot, even one who can
only hover, is more valuable than any advice you can get from a book or the
NG. One of the glories of this hobby is there are very very few pilots,
even among the true experts, who won't take some time to help an eager
beginner.

As for brands, all of the new 30-size helis are great for beginners: Nexus,
Shuttle, Raptor, and yes, even Century. To anticipate your next post, you
must also select a radio, servos, a gyro, and an engine. When you've got
all of this sorted out, there is a huge amount of learning to be done in
setting it up, getting it in the air, and keeping it airworthy. This is
tough enough for a seasoned pilot, it is an expensive bad dream for a
beginner trying to do it alone (I did it that way, I know). Ask the local
pilots for help, it will get you over the hump and into the fun part as
quickly as possible.

Learning to fly the full-size helis is a bit easier if you can fly the
models. The instructor complimented me on achieving a sort-of stable hover
after only thirty minutes. She quietly took me down by telling me to "face
that traffic cone and do a slow nose-in 360 around it".

The few full-size heli pilots I know all say the models are harder to fly.

Anyhoo, don't give up on the newsgroup, there is lot of good advice to be
had here, although there is none better than first-hand.

Welcome to the hobby,

Bill

"TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli, or
> should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap beginner
> heli (under $1000)?
>
> Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do R/C
> helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
>
> Thanks for all your help,
> TJM
>
>




Old Dec 13, 2002, 01:14 AM
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Re: What's a good R/C helicopter kit for a newbie ???


"Christer Buschman" <buschman@online.no> wrote in message
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> Hi.
>
> I have had some different helicopters...
> Kyosho
> Hirobo
> Sluter/Robbe
> Eco (electric)
> Then, I discovered Thunder Tiger...
>
> No doubt, Thunder Tiger is my best choice so far.
>
> If you spend some time on assembly and stay clear of the ARF kits,
> you get a 100% slop free great flying machine.
>
> All of my raptors (30, 50, 60 & 90) fly on a straight line
> forever on full power forward flight hands off.
> Not even my Robbe did that, had it for 2 weeks,
> my Raptor 60 and 90 was better in the air.
> Got rid of it, the Robbe machine I mean.
>
> My raptor 60 (my oldest helicopter) has been so
> mutch in the air that I am running on my second
> OS 61 WC enigne. The first one is worn out.
>
> I haven't even changed one single link on my raptor 60.
>
> Hirobo makes good helicopters,
> but it's almost impossible to make the rotor setup 100% slop free.
> I don't like ANY slop in the rotor or tail setup.
>
> No, I haven't seen anything better than Thunder Tiger yet,
> and I have spend over 21.000 USD on helicopters in 1 1/2 year... If my

wife
> knew...
> Kyosho really sucks, except for the Caliber 60, great machine.
>
> Haven't tried Xcell, is Xcell any good ?
>
> I don't look at the price because I have learned that expensive don't mean
> high quality.
>
> Go For Thunder Tiger !!!
>
> Chris.
>

Chris,

I agree that TT make good helis, I have a Raptor 50 with a TT50 engine and
it is a great little heli, but I also had a couple of Kyosho Concept VRs
that were also very nice - but the Raptor has much cheaper spares.

Very clever, posting how much you have spent and that your wife doesn't
know...I think 100 Euros to each of us for our silence?

Friend of mine has recently started in helis and bought a pair of
second-hand X cell 60s, he is making good progress with his flying (or was
until the weather stopped us), certainly he is getting there faster than I
did with a Nexus.

Cheers,
--
Dave S, Kuusankoski, Finland.

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http://personal.inet.fi/koti/david.smith/helicopters/
(you know where to send the money!)


Old Dec 13, 2002, 01:15 AM
David Smith
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"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Christer Buschman" <buschman@online.no> wrote in message
> news:%h6K9.482$CG6.11722@news4.e.nsc.no...
> > Haven't tried Xcell, is Xcell any good ?
> >

> Got an X-Cell 60 pro, absolutely superb.
>
> Phil Martin.
>
>

Better than your Nexus, Phil?
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Old Dec 13, 2002, 01:16 AM
David Smith
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"John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Aha...
>
> I can tell you what size of box the GV1 comes in....
>
> 170mm x 140mm x 55mm +/-2mm
>

Damn that man, he's taunting me again.
DaveS


Old Dec 13, 2002, 01:19 AM
David Smith
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Re: What's a good R/C helicopter kit for a newbie ???

To the best of my knowledge, John Banks does not own a Century, but there
has recently been someone here who always tells any poster to buy Century,
no matter what. I think John was having a pop at HIM, not the OP.

Some of us live in places where we can't fly in the winter and the cabin
fever has obviously set in already...some of MY posts should confirm that!

--
Dave S, Kuusankoski, Finland.

My return address requires modification before use.
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/david.smith/helicopters/

"Bill Price" <Bill@classTools.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I don't know who John Banks is, but he is totally out of line and not very
> helpful.
>
> The very best heli for a newbie, without question, is the one the local
> pilots have a lot of experience with. Go down to the local club and ask

as
> many questions as you can think up. You'll get umpteen opinions, as you
> will on this NG, but you will also find several pilots who will offer to
> help you get in the air. The help of an experienced pilot, even one who

can
> only hover, is more valuable than any advice you can get from a book or

the
> NG. One of the glories of this hobby is there are very very few pilots,
> even among the true experts, who won't take some time to help an eager
> beginner.
>
> As for brands, all of the new 30-size helis are great for beginners:

Nexus,
> Shuttle, Raptor, and yes, even Century. To anticipate your next post, you
> must also select a radio, servos, a gyro, and an engine. When you've got
> all of this sorted out, there is a huge amount of learning to be done in
> setting it up, getting it in the air, and keeping it airworthy. This is
> tough enough for a seasoned pilot, it is an expensive bad dream for a
> beginner trying to do it alone (I did it that way, I know). Ask the local
> pilots for help, it will get you over the hump and into the fun part as
> quickly as possible.
>
> Learning to fly the full-size helis is a bit easier if you can fly the
> models. The instructor complimented me on achieving a sort-of stable

hover
> after only thirty minutes. She quietly took me down by telling me to

"face
> that traffic cone and do a slow nose-in 360 around it".
>
> The few full-size heli pilots I know all say the models are harder to fly.
>
> Anyhoo, don't give up on the newsgroup, there is lot of good advice to be
> had here, although there is none better than first-hand.
>
> Welcome to the hobby,
>
> Bill
>
> "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli,

or
> > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap

beginner
> > heli (under $1000)?
> >
> > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do

R/C
> > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> >
> > Thanks for all your help,
> > TJM
> >
> >

>
>
>



Old Dec 13, 2002, 01:33 AM
John Banks
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Re: What's a good R/C helicopter kit for a newbie ???

Sorry Bill

Most modern helis are very good. David was right, I was having a pop at
another poster before he could chime in with his utterly biased response.
If you were a follower of the group, you'd know who I mean.

I admit my reply was not helpful to a newbie - sorry.

I am a relative newbie also and fly a Raptor30. I love it!


John

"Bill Price" <Bill@classTools.com> wrote in message
news:9gbK9.10729$K5.2041@fe01...
> Hi,
>
> I don't know who John Banks is, but he is totally out of line and not very
> helpful.
>
> The very best heli for a newbie, without question, is the one the local
> pilots have a lot of experience with. Go down to the local club and ask

as
> many questions as you can think up. You'll get umpteen opinions, as you
> will on this NG, but you will also find several pilots who will offer to
> help you get in the air. The help of an experienced pilot, even one who

can
> only hover, is more valuable than any advice you can get from a book or

the
> NG. One of the glories of this hobby is there are very very few pilots,
> even among the true experts, who won't take some time to help an eager
> beginner.
>
> As for brands, all of the new 30-size helis are great for beginners:

Nexus,
> Shuttle, Raptor, and yes, even Century. To anticipate your next post, you
> must also select a radio, servos, a gyro, and an engine. When you've got
> all of this sorted out, there is a huge amount of learning to be done in
> setting it up, getting it in the air, and keeping it airworthy. This is
> tough enough for a seasoned pilot, it is an expensive bad dream for a
> beginner trying to do it alone (I did it that way, I know). Ask the local
> pilots for help, it will get you over the hump and into the fun part as
> quickly as possible.
>
> Learning to fly the full-size helis is a bit easier if you can fly the
> models. The instructor complimented me on achieving a sort-of stable

hover
> after only thirty minutes. She quietly took me down by telling me to "fac

e
> that traffic cone and do a slow nose-in 360 around it".
>
> The few full-size heli pilots I know all say the models are harder to fly.
>
> Anyhoo, don't give up on the newsgroup, there is lot of good advice to be
> had here, although there is none better than first-hand.
>
> Welcome to the hobby,
>
> Bill
>
> "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli,

or
> > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap

beginner
> > heli (under $1000)?
> >
> > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do

R/C
> > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> >
> > Thanks for all your help,
> > TJM
> >
> >

>
>
>



Old Dec 13, 2002, 03:56 AM
Philip Martin
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Re: What's a good R/C helicopter kit for a newbie ???


"David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
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>
> "Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:atb01p$12jk85$1@ID-129488.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > "Christer Buschman" <buschman@online.no> wrote in message
> > news:%h6K9.482$CG6.11722@news4.e.nsc.no...
> > > Haven't tried Xcell, is Xcell any good ?
> > >

> > Got an X-Cell 60 pro, absolutely superb.
> >
> > Phil Martin.
> >
> >

> Better than your Nexus, Phil?
> --

Rolls Royce and Mini time Dave. Don't get me wrong I still like my Nexus but
what a difference flying the X-Cell:-)

This weekend, weather permitting, we are going for FF (with the Nexus),
decided it is time to give this a try. Hence the brown box for Christmas,
just in case I need a replacement 30 size. Hopefully all goes well and I'll
end up with two 30s, but then of course I'll have to source a 30 engine for
the Hawk. Maybe it will be time to trade the OS 61 for a 32 or something
similar?

Phil Martin.



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Old Dec 13, 2002, 04:07 AM
GYRO
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Re: What's a good R/C helicopter kit for a newbie ???

I'll second the motion for Century Heli's!
I own 2 of them but stick with the OS engines
"David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
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>
> "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > Century helis are by far the best helicopters in the whole wide world.
> > You'd be foolish not to buy one.
> >
> > DO NOT touch Thunder Tiger....THEY SUCK! They don't fly very good at

all.
> >
> > Very very rubbishy really.
> >
> > CENTURY - HELIS FIT FOR JEHOVAH!

>
> I think we should start a movement back to fixed pitch helis with no gyros

&
> 4 channel radios - fundamentalist helis!
>
> Dave S
> >
> >
> >
> > "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> > news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a

heli,
> or
> > > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos

or
> > > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap

> beginner
> > > heli (under $1000)?
> > >
> > > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do

> R/C
> > > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help,
> > > TJM
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



Old Dec 13, 2002, 04:09 AM
David Smith
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"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
> news:eWeK9.24$Xn6.11@read3.inet.fi...
> >
> > "Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:atb01p$12jk85$1@ID-129488.news.dfncis.de...
> > >
> > > "Christer Buschman" <buschman@online.no> wrote in message
> > > news:%h6K9.482$CG6.11722@news4.e.nsc.no...
> > > > Haven't tried Xcell, is Xcell any good ?
> > > >
> > > Got an X-Cell 60 pro, absolutely superb.
> > >
> > > Phil Martin.
> > >
> > >

> > Better than your Nexus, Phil?
> > --

> Rolls Royce and Mini time Dave. Don't get me wrong I still like my Nexus

but
> what a difference flying the X-Cell:-)
>
> This weekend, weather permitting, we are going for FF (with the Nexus),
> decided it is time to give this a try. Hence the brown box for Christmas,
> just in case I need a replacement 30 size. Hopefully all goes well and

I'll
> end up with two 30s, but then of course I'll have to source a 30 engine

for
> the Hawk. Maybe it will be time to trade the OS 61 for a 32 or something
> similar?
>
> Phil Martin.
>

Phil -

You have an X Cell pro and haven't yet moved out of the hover with the
Nexus? Lucky man!

I found the Nexus a good machine for learning FF as it doesn't seem to build
up speed as fast as my other models, when you start, you'll find the main
problem is keeping it reasonably slow.

Cheers,

Dave S


Old Dec 13, 2002, 06:25 AM
Philip Martin
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"David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
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>
> I found the Nexus a good machine for learning FF as it doesn't seem to

build
> up speed as fast as my other models, when you start, you'll find the main
> problem is keeping it reasonably slow.
>

I've already found that one. Been letting it go off forward and returning
it, also side to side movements, but yes once its going its gone! I've also
found that it will go up very easily but can be a bugger to get it down,
without digging a whole in the ground that is!!

Phil Martin.



Old Dec 13, 2002, 09:18 AM
David Smith
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"Philip Martin" <philip.martin@wetnwild.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
> news:SshK9.77$Xn6.29@read3.inet.fi...
> >
> > I found the Nexus a good machine for learning FF as it doesn't seem to

> build
> > up speed as fast as my other models, when you start, you'll find the

main
> > problem is keeping it reasonably slow.
> >

> I've already found that one. Been letting it go off forward and returning
> it, also side to side movements, but yes once its going its gone! I've

also
> found that it will go up very easily but can be a bugger to get it down,
> without digging a whole in the ground that is!!
>
> Phil Martin.
>

Small steps, Phil, that's how I did it, I was a long time hovering before I
let it go, but then I was always flying on my own. Don't let it get too high
or too fast, then it's less difficult getting it back into the hover.

Cheers,
Dave S


Old Dec 13, 2002, 11:34 AM
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"David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
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>
> >

> Small steps, Phil, that's how I did it, I was a long time hovering before

I
> let it go, but then I was always flying on my own. Don't let it get too

high
> or too fast, then it's less difficult getting it back into the hover.
>

Well, there was a break in the weather at lunchtime time today, so I rushed
round home and got the Nexus out. Decided to give it a wiz in the car park.
The only problem here is the bloody lamp posts, must get the council to
something about them!

We got up to some 50' high and buzzed around, including a couple of
circuits, all be it with the tail still pointing firmly at me. Great fun
though and I think I'm starting to get the hang of getting the bugger down
from that height. Back end was wobbling a bit, might have something to do
with the tail in landing a couple of weeks ago that stripped the teeth on
the main gear!

Roll on Sunday;o)

Phil Martin.



 


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