9CAP flapperon ???

Anyone have any problem with the 9CAP when u set
up Flapperon, the adjacent channel is locked in.
Eg.. 5&6 or 6&7 u cant use it for other function.

What would you expect? Flaperons require that two servos be
independently controlled. That takes two channels. The 9C is
better than most in that you get the choice of either 5&6 or
6&7. What are you trying to do that you can't?

Jim - AMA 501383

Marty wrote:
> Anyone have any problem with the 9CAP when u set
> up Flapperon, the adjacent channel is locked in.
> Eg.. 5&6 or 6&7 u cant use it for other function.

>Anyone have any problem with the 9CAP when u set
>up Flapperon, the adjacent channel is locked in.
>Eg.. 5&6 or 6&7 u cant use it for other function.

Yep, that's the way flaperons work.

In order to make flaperons operate, you need the ability to drop both ailerons
simultaneously. This means each servo must be plugged into a separate channel;
you can't use a Y-adapter and plug them both into one channel.

Flaperon mixing works by controlling each servo for the left and right ailerons
separately; during normal flight, they operate as they would ordinarily (when
one goes up, the other goes down), and during landing, both ailerons drop to
act as flaps.

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Marty <mar@hotmail.com> writes:

> Anyone have any problem with the 9CAP when u set
> up Flapperon, the adjacent channel is locked in.
> Eg.. 5&6 or 6&7 u cant use it for other function.

I think you misunderstand how these modes work. I know I couldn't
tell from the manual, but had to experiment to figure it out. :-)

The two modes are named "5 and 6" and "6 or 7". The difference
between them is what happens when you have separate aileron servos.
The normal mode is "6 or 7". In this mode, channel 6 is for flap and
channel 7 is a spare channel, until you configure the second aileron
servo: if you enable flaperon mixing, the flap channel (6) will be
used for the second aileron, leaving 7 free. If, on the other hand,
you choose aileron differential, channel 7 will be used for the second
aileron, leaving channel 6 for regular flaps. In either case, channel
5 is untouched, and normally used for retractable landing gear.

Then there's mode "5 and 6". This is actually misnamed, and should be
called "5 and (6 or 7)". It's just like mode "6 or 7", except that
when you turn on one of the dual aileron servo mixes, the second
aileron will be output not only on 6 or 7 (selected as above), but in
addition on channel 5. This hack is intended for use with 5 channel
receivers, enabling flaperon (or aileron differential) mixing with
such a receiver.

-tih
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After thinking about it a bit longer, I too am starting to be a
bit puzzled. The default channel assignment for flap trim is
channel 6. For flaperons, channels 1 and 6 are used for the two
aileron servos. Channel 7 should only be reserved if you use
either the spoiler or aileron differential features. But the
aileron differential use with channel 7 can't be (and isn't needed)
with flaperons. The parameter setting is for either 5 and 6 or
6 or 7. So, I don't think that channel 7 is reserved in flaperon
mode. Two channels are reserved if you pick 5 and 6 as a setting.
That just allows two aileron servos to be used with a 5 channel
receiver. In this case, channel 6 can't be used, so there is no
real loss. Have I missed something else?

Jim - AMA 501383

James D Jones wrote:
> What would you expect? Flaperons require that two servos be
> independently controlled. That takes two channels. The 9C is
> better than most in that you get the choice of either 5&6 or
> 6&7. What are you trying to do that you can't?
>
> Jim - AMA 501383
>
> Marty wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any problem with the 9CAP when u set
>> up Flapperon, the adjacent channel is locked in.
>> Eg.. 5&6 or 6&7 u cant use it for other function.
>
>

On the 9C you can use EITHER flapperons (usually on channels 1 and 6),
or aileron differential (usually on channels 1 and 7), but you can't
use both at the same time. I believe if you use one of these mixes,
you can still use the other unused channel (out of 6 or 7) for
something else. For example, if you use aileron differential and set
your two aileron servos to 1 and 7, you could still use 6 for seperate
flaps with their own servo.

You can also map the second aileron channel (6 or 7) to channel 5 if
you want to use one of those functions with a 5 channel receiver.

Good Luck!


Marty <mar@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<li8ruu0lpv47gj2ju913qfjqala1v3q9sa@4ax.com>. ..
> Anyone have any problem with the 9CAP when u set
> up Flapperon, the adjacent channel is locked in.
> Eg.. 5&6 or 6&7 u cant use it for other function.

You can set up flaperons using Chls. 1 & 6. If you also need aileron
differential, no pproblem... Use ATV to set diff travel...

Bill

"Robert McCoy" <robertmccoy@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f29248f.0212041648.71360182@posting.google.c om...
> On the 9C you can use EITHER flapperons (usually on channels 1 and 6),
> or aileron differential (usually on channels 1 and 7), but you can't
> use both at the same time. I believe if you use one of these mixes,
> you can still use the other unused channel (out of 6 or 7) for
> something else. For example, if you use aileron differential and set
> your two aileron servos to 1 and 7, you could still use 6 for seperate
> flaps with their own servo.
>
> You can also map the second aileron channel (6 or 7) to channel 5 if
> you want to use one of those functions with a 5 channel receiver.
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
> Marty <mar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<li8ruu0lpv47gj2ju913qfjqala1v3q9sa@4ax.com>. ..
> > Anyone have any problem with the 9CAP when u set
> > up Flapperon, the adjacent channel is locked in.
> > Eg.. 5&6 or 6&7 u cant use it for other function.

Yep, that's what I do.

Bill Fulmer wrote:
> You can set up flaperons using Chls. 1 & 6. If you also need aileron
> differential, no pproblem... Use ATV to set diff travel...
>
> Bill
>
> "Robert McCoy" <robertmccoy@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2f29248f.0212041648.71360182@posting.google.c om...
>
>>On the 9C you can use EITHER flapperons (usually on channels 1 and 6),
>>or aileron differential (usually on channels 1 and 7), but you can't
>>use both at the same time. I believe if you use one of these mixes,
>>you can still use the other unused channel (out of 6 or 7) for
>>something else. For example, if you use aileron differential and set
>>your two aileron servos to 1 and 7, you could still use 6 for seperate
>>flaps with their own servo.
>>
>>You can also map the second aileron channel (6 or 7) to channel 5 if
>>you want to use one of those functions with a 5 channel receiver.
>>
>>Good Luck!
>>
>>
>>Marty <mar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:<li8ruu0lpv47gj2ju913qfjqala1v3q9sa@4ax.com>. ..
>
>>>Anyone have any problem with the 9CAP when u set
>>>up Flapperon, the adjacent channel is locked in.
>>>Eg.. 5&6 or 6&7 u cant use it for other function.
>>
>
>
>

On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:21:21 -0600, James D Jones <jdjones@fbg.net>
wrote:

>After thinking about it a bit longer, I too am starting to be a
>bit puzzled. The default channel assignment for flap trim is
>channel 6. For flaperons, channels 1 and 6 are used for the two
>aileron servos. Channel 7 should only be reserved if you use
>either the spoiler or aileron differential features. But the
>aileron differential use with channel 7 can't be (and isn't needed)
>with flaperons. The parameter setting is for either 5 and 6 or
>6 or 7. So, I don't think that channel 7 is reserved in flaperon
>mode. Two channels are reserved if you pick 5 and 6 as a setting.
>That just allows two aileron servos to be used with a 5 channel
>receiver. In this case, channel 6 can't be used, so there is no
>real loss. Have I missed something else?
>

I was trying to use channel 6 for trottle with the side rachet,
and it cant be use..also it is a pity I can assign the timer to the
rachet too. Its for comp Eglider

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:20:32 -0600, "Bill Fulmer"
<grafix01@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>You can set up flaperons using Chls. 1 & 6. If you also need aileron
>differential, no pproblem... Use ATV to set diff travel...
>
I am not sure that u guys answered my question..
I have a Electric Omega 2M, I assign 1 and 5 to flapperon
and use the trottle stick as flaps and also assign channel
6 to the side rachet for trottle , but it does work..it goes with
channel 5 like a 100% mix. I have to move to channel 7
to make it work, in my opinion channel 6 is wasted,

Marty <mar@hotmail.com> writes:

> I have a Electric Omega 2M, I assign 1 and 5 to flapperon and use
> the trottle stick as flaps and also assign channel 6 to the side
> rachet for trottle , but it does work..it goes with channel 5 like a
> 100% mix. I have to move to channel 7 to make it work, in my
> opinion channel 6 is wasted,

(I assume you meant to write "but it does not work".) The only way
you can use 1 and 5 for flaperons, and then find channel 6 "wasted" is
if you use the "5 and 6" mode, which is only useful for dual aileron
servos on a 5 channel receiver, in which case channel 6 is useless
anyway. If you've got more channels than that on your receiver, go to
"6 or 7" mode, keep your flaperons on the default 1 and 6, and you'll
find that no channels are wasted. I suspect that you have at least a
six channel receiver, right, and you're mixing throttle to flap to run
the flaperons? In that case, you'll want to assign the side slider to
channel 5, and hook your ESC up to that channel.

....but wouldn't it be cool to be able to assign channel 3 to the side
slider, and 6 to the throttle stick? The only radio systems I know of
that give you total configurability like that are made by Multiplex.

-tih
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Marty wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:21:21 -0600, James D Jones <jdjones@fbg.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>After thinking about it a bit longer, I too am starting to be a
>>bit puzzled. The default channel assignment for flap trim is
>>channel 6. For flaperons, channels 1 and 6 are used for the two
>>aileron servos. Channel 7 should only be reserved if you use
>>either the spoiler or aileron differential features. But the
>>aileron differential use with channel 7 can't be (and isn't needed)
>>with flaperons. The parameter setting is for either 5 and 6 or
>>6 or 7. So, I don't think that channel 7 is reserved in flaperon
>>mode. Two channels are reserved if you pick 5 and 6 as a setting.
>>That just allows two aileron servos to be used with a 5 channel
>>receiver. In this case, channel 6 can't be used, so there is no
>>real loss. Have I missed something else?
>>
>
>
> I was trying to use channel 6 for trottle with the side rachet,
> and it cant be use..also it is a pity I can assign the timer to the
> rachet too. Its for comp Eglider

Well, you can't use channel 6 for two things. You are already using
it for the second servo with your flaperons. However, you should
be able to use channel 7 for that purpose. Why not just use channel
3 for throttle like you would for ACRO programming. While the manual
lists it as "not used" for gliders, it really remains as the default
for channel 3. So unless you are using the throttle stick for
airbrakes, you should still be able to use it for throttle.

Jim - AMA 501383

Marty wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:20:32 -0600, "Bill Fulmer"
> <grafix01@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>>You can set up flaperons using Chls. 1 & 6. If you also need aileron
>>differential, no pproblem... Use ATV to set diff travel...
>>
>
> I am not sure that u guys answered my question..
> I have a Electric Omega 2M, I assign 1 and 5 to flapperon
> and use the trottle stick as flaps and also assign channel
> 6 to the side rachet for trottle , but it does work..it goes with
> channel 5 like a 100% mix. I have to move to channel 7
> to make it work, in my opinion channel 6 is wasted,

You have the Ch. 5 & 6 parameter set. Change it to 6 or 7. Move
your second aileron servo from 5 to 6. That frees up both channels
5 and 7 for other uses. The setting that you are using is there
for those who wish to use dual aileron servos with a 5 channel
receiver. It shouldn't be used if you have more than 5 channels.

Jim - AMA 501383

Hello,
I have a Hangar 9 Ultra Stick 40 in full configuration (2 aileron servos and 2 flap servos). My 9C model is set to GLDR (2FLP)
type of aricraft. When selecting glider types, the term throttle (THRO) is not used; airbrake (ARBK) is used instead. The
throttle (THRO) function is still there on channel 3 it's just not called THRO it's called ARBRK.

My servo channels are:
1) Aileron - Right
2) Elevator
3) Airbrake (Throttle Servo)
4) Rudder
5) Flap - Right
6) Flap - Left
7) Aileron - Left

Activate "BUTTERFLY" on SW-A ( I have the 9CH; don't know if Butterfly is on this switch for the 9CA). This is one of the few none
programmable switch modes on the 9C.

I set up the "BUTTERFLY" mixes. As I apply "BUTTERFLY" (throttle stick to 0%) the "BUTTERFLY" mix increases and the throttle
(channel 3) decreases (engine goes to idle). Likewise, 100% throttle stick advances my throttle servo to full power on the engine
and reduces the "BUTTERFLY" mixes. The throttle servo at RCVR channel three operates just like a throttle servo does, it's just
that it's called airbrake (ARBK).

To prove this I had to build the IDLE-DOWN and THR-CUT mixes in the programmable mixes #6 and #7. Selecting glider type models
removes these menu selections in the main menu. I replicated these mixes in Pmix #6 (IDLE-DOWN) and #7 (THR-CUT). Even though
these mixes affect Throttle, I set the Master channel and Slave channel to ARBK (ARBK->ARBK). It looks funny but it works.

tippy

Marty -- You might also check out the Futaba site FAQs at
http://www.futaba-rc.com/faq/index.html

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"Marty" <mar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone have any problem with the 9CAP when u set
> up Flapperon, the adjacent channel is locked in.
> Eg.. 5&6 or 6&7 u cant use it for other function.