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Old May 21, 2012, 02:52 PM
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What boat would be the closest match to a Nirvana in speed and overall performance? A Victoria?
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Old May 21, 2012, 07:20 PM
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What boat would be the closest match to a Nirvana in speed and overall performance? A Victoria?
Interesting question. Hard to give a definitive and factual answer. Having owned both boats, I'd say my Nirvana was the faster of the two - for one reason the Nirvana has more sail area. My Victoria was better at catching the wind in extremely light breeze conditions. A Victoria can be modified for racing and if all those modifications have been made, a Victoria can be pretty quick! To be fair a Nirvana with set of well made custom sails becomes more a exciting boat as well.

If you are going to race the Nirvana class rules are very limited as to making any changes to the boats, not so with the Victoria. Just about anything goes.

I submit that the skipper makes the major difference. Learning to sail is pretty easy, learning to sail well is quite a different story.

Some guys just have the touch, it as if they can see the wind and are able to respond without thought.

Great fun!

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Old May 24, 2012, 08:06 AM
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Thanks boomer.
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Old Aug 19, 2012, 04:53 PM
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re: Dumas Lightning kit - This was designed for free sail before we had micro gear, so it didn't take a lot of mods. I rigged it for rc and it sailed well enough - that is until my dog reduced it to splinters. Oh well.
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Old Dec 01, 2012, 11:10 PM
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What boat would be the closest match to a Nirvana in speed and overall performance? A Victoria?
I agree with Boomer.

All things being equal, the Nirvana is just a tad faster than a Vic, and can handle stronger winds.

With a race enhanced Vic (carbon fiber everything, custom sails, etc.), versus a stock Nirvana, probably a different story!
It's a fine line, they are well matched normally.

I race my Nirvana informally with a group of Vics every week, and I have placed in the top three quite a few times, (even a few firsts), but not enough to make it a sure thing by any means.

In a light breeze those Vics really scoot, they are about 1.5 lbs lighter than my Nirvana too.
I can hold my own better when the wind is up.

The skipper still makes the biggest difference IMHO.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 11:19 PM
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Anyone know of this one, the Discovery like the one seen here from Empire Hobby, $149.99?

Thinking of getting a relatively cheap RC yacht to sail when it's too windy to fly my plane, seeing as there's a nice big lake just down the road... Any suggestions (beginner rc sailer), RTR?

Preferably something that can cope with somewhat choppier conditions, and is waterproof all over, I guess. What about that Monsoon from Hobby King for around $90? Although then I'd need a 2ch. tx and receiver battery.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 01:45 AM
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@Catweazle:

Dont confuse the Joysway Discovery with the Discovery 500 from HobbyKing they are VERY different boats.

I have a Monsoon, it is a great boat. There is a local group of RC fliers in my area have all bought Monsoons and Legends for non-flying days - great fun

Couple of pics attached... the field includes Surmounts, Legends, Monsoons and Phantoms
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Old Mar 02, 2013, 10:21 AM
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Interesting question. Hard to give a definitive and factual answer. Having owned both boats, I'd say my Nirvana was the faster of the two - for one reason the Nirvana has more sail area. My Victoria was better at catching the wind in extremely light breeze conditions. A Victoria can be modified for racing and if all those modifications have been made, a Victoria can be pretty quick! To be fair a Nirvana with set of well made custom sails becomes more a exciting boat as well.

If you are going to race the Nirvana class rules are very limited as to making any changes to the boats, not so with the Victoria. Just about anything goes.

I submit that the skipper makes the major difference. Learning to sail is pretty easy, learning to sail well is quite a different story.

Some guys just have the touch, it as if they can see the wind and are able to respond without thought.

Great fun!

Boomer
Boomer:
Looking at your Vic, it appears that it still has the original kit spars and sails.
There is a move afoot to create a sub-class within the AMYA Victoria class that is restricted to stock spars and sails. That makes a nice entry level boat without having to compete with the very modified Vics. Some clubs have started to build silver Vic fleets. The class secretary is supporting the effort.
Here is a link to the Victoria Class web site:
https://sites.google.com/site/classvictoria1/
If fact our club is hosting a regatta in which both the gold and silver (stock kit built) fleets will race separately.
https://sites.google.com/site/ramyasailing/regattas

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Old Mar 02, 2013, 06:13 PM
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Boomer:
Looking at your Vic, it appears that it still has the original kit spars and sails.
There is a move afoot to create a sub-class within the AMYA Victoria class that is restricted to stock spars and sails. That makes a nice entry level boat without having to compete with the very modified Vics. Some clubs have started to build silver Vic fleets. The class secretary is supporting the effort.
Here is a link to the Victoria Class web site:
https://sites.google.com/site/classvictoria1/
If fact our club is hosting a regatta in which both the gold and silver (stock kit built) fleets will race separately.
https://sites.google.com/site/ramyasailing/regattas

Walt

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Thanks for sharing this info. My Vic is just a memory now. In the hands of a fine skipper on the other side of the country. At last contact he had invested some large $$ in it to make it competitive with his local club. He was doing quite well as I recall. He had lots of full size sailboat racing so the transition came quickly.

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Old Jul 18, 2013, 11:43 AM
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Hey Martin.
What do you think about updating the list of kit boat manufacturers you started way back when you started this thread?

We have a number of new sailors that might find a current list of value in their search for the right boat. I can contribute those companies I am aware of that are producing kits here in the Colonies.

What do you think?

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Old Jul 19, 2013, 01:39 AM
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Hey Martin.
What do you think about updating the list of kit boat manufacturers you started way back when you started this thread?

We have a number of new sailors that might find a current list of value in their search for the right boat. I can contribute those companies I am aware of that are producing kits here in the Colonies.

What do you think?

Boomer
Yes, it's a sad fact that several good kit boats have bitten the dust since the thread was started, especially following Graupner's demise (hopefully, the MicroMagic is saved), and some others have been introduced. I'll have to ut my thinling cap on.
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Old Jul 19, 2013, 10:53 AM
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updated information moved forward in the thread to post #91
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Old Jul 21, 2013, 12:48 PM
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Ya left out the Dumas star 30 all wood kit that's still very much available and built here in the USA. Not that hard a build and I really enjoy sailing it. I've only sailed it against nirvanas and it seems like the performance is quite the same. Enclosed are pictures of mine except instead of using the mahogany supplied I made my own planks out of red cedar and planked the whole boat.
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Old Jul 21, 2013, 01:15 PM
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Didn't forget Dumas, just hadn't pulled all their info together - As mentioned the listings posted were not complete and would be updated and refined.
I appreciate your contribution! I have a added Dumas to the list.

Beautiful boat by the way!

Suggestions are invited and appreciated. We'd like the list to be as complete as possible.

Thank you.
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Old Jul 21, 2013, 04:08 PM
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Yes, it's a sad fact that several good kit boats have bitten the dust since the thread was started, especially following Graupner's demise (hopefully, the MicroMagic is saved), and some others have been introduced. I'll have to ut my thinling cap on.
Graupner will be back. Not sure if the MM will make a comeback. Group net sent out a rep to the R G 65 US Nationals , he showed interest in them.
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