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Old Jan 27, 2008, 03:33 PM
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Jason,

GWS and UHU glues are both contact cements. Are you using them correctly? You must apply to one side, press both sides together briefly, then pull apart and let air dry for 10 minutes. Both sides should still be slightly tacky after drying, then press together tightly. I've glued fuses together using these cements correctly, and couldn't pull them apart 30 minutes later.

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Old Jan 27, 2008, 04:06 PM
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Jim,

Did I mention my dad lives in Riverview right off the I-75 on 301? I'm visiting him soon. Where do you fly, I'll bring my camera!

Pat
Sarasota Silent Flyers - just down the road in Parrish. But it is "No Camera with Pat" Club.

Concur with the GWS glue. Used correctly (Pat explained it properly) the stuff will be stronger than foam.

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Old Jan 27, 2008, 05:46 PM
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I used the UHU to put the halves together after posting the question. I use the UHU in my scratch Panther build and it impressed me so I went with it. I am guessing that the GWS glue is similair to UHU? Previous to using the UHU in the panther build I had only used Epoxy to join fuse sections or any section under large strains. I think I am now pretty much hooked on UHU now as its so simple and alot less messy to use.

Ok now for the pics of my work to this point. Enjoy.

Jason
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Old Jan 27, 2008, 07:25 PM
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I find that UHU (I use Creativ, pretty much the same as Por) tends to set up a little quicker than GWS glue. I can let it set about 5 minutes and then it's ready to go. But GWS glue works wonders if used correctly, and comes in the kits (I have about 10 tubes of it right now). UHU is about $7 a pack.

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Old Jan 27, 2008, 07:34 PM
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I happened to have an unopened bottle of Creative UHU which is what I am going to use on the entire plane. I will use the trick with the GWS glue on the next model and give it a go.

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Old Jan 27, 2008, 08:10 PM
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GWS is a 3M Contact Cement product

and if you want immediate results here is what I do with it

I use the cheapie 'rubber glue type" paint brushes to spread the contact cement out as thinly as possible (ya'll know the kind..metal tube handle cheap black bristles, cost 15 cents each at the LHS)

1) spread each halve of the assembly as thin as possible and I mean thin
2) by the time the second half is coated the first half should be dry to the touch (Contact cements should be dry to the touch to bond quickly and properly)
3) Let the second half sit for as long as the first half did
4) carefully align your two halves and press together
5) clean the brush out with alcohol.. denatured or Isopropyl (rubbing) and hey..15 cents is 15 cents
5) read about your next steps if it includes that assembly
6) Continue with assembly


a)If you use this method you will get an instant bond that is dry...
b)If you use this method you will get very little realignment time
c)If you use this method you don't get the stringy, stretchy, hairs of glue pull that fall all over the finished surface

its always light weight and bulletproof

Chuck
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Old Jan 27, 2008, 08:33 PM
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GWS is a 3M Contact Cement product
But don't use #M Contact Cement. That stuff is not foam safe. Trust me.

Jim
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Old Jan 27, 2008, 09:49 PM
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GWS glue is a 3M foam safe Contact Cement product

GWS glue is a 3M foam safe Contact Cement product!

Not a no name cheap clones glue.
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Old Jan 28, 2008, 05:44 AM
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But don't use #M Contact Cement. That stuff is not foam safe. Trust me.

Jim
Too True!!!

but 3M does make a Foamsafe version As Mr. Lin indicates

if you go way back in the threads from about 5 yrs ago we were using it. It came in a Spray canand was somewhat available at Home Depots, Lowes, Hechingers...etc.

but they sold two types Foam safe and regular..it was 77M or something like that...at HD supply it was in the paint section with the other adhesives.

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Old Jan 28, 2008, 06:03 AM
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Too True!!!

but 3M does make a Foamsafe version As Mr. Lin indicates

if you go way back in the threads from about 5 yrs ago we were using it. It came in a Spray canand was somewhat available at Home Depots, Lowes, Hechingers...etc.

but they sold two types Foam safe and regular..it was 77M or something like that...at HD supply it was in the paint section with the other adhesives.

Chuck
77M, I bought a bunch of cans...still have two left....NOTE, I can not vouch for 3M 77M spray adhesive as being foam-safe in it's currently distributed form. Do a test FIRST. Do TWO TESTS!

Hey, just caught this on the J-10 thread...Thanks Chen.

Nose gear for our planes.....

http://www.gwsus.com/english/product...gear_rg-mn.htm

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It can be used on electrical R/C airplane at the full weight (AUW) of less than 1000g(35.33 oz), the best retract nose gear for GWS-38, GWS-262, GWS-15, GWS-A4, GWS-J10.


I note it seems to be specifically designed for these larger GWS planes and rated to 35 oz., .....

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Old Jan 28, 2008, 01:02 PM
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I just got off the phone with Terry a Darehobbies. They have a lot of armament missiles ,smart bombs ,and Jet drop tanks . The Drop tanks are not on their web site Stock # 1035-4 is 11" X 1-1/4" and 1035-5 is 13.75"X1.875" $ 7.95 each and $ 8.95 each .Call Terry at Dare Hobbies 1-800-578-3273
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Old Jan 28, 2008, 10:00 PM
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Ok got the fuse seam sanded and looking good. Fan unit installed along with the ESC. Also got the wing blocks installed, tail feathers assembled and dry fitted.

Got some test munbers after getting the power system installed.

Single Loong Max 3s 2250 20c
34A +/-
high 300W range
around 588 grams of thrust installed sticker on fan stated 600 grams

Pics later.

Jason
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Old Jan 29, 2008, 02:39 PM
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Ok pics of work done recently. Taking a day off from building today for family time. Check back in later gents.

Jason
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Old Jan 30, 2008, 09:55 AM
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You guys always ask me when will the GWS new airplanes come?

But, I will ask you guys: When will you finished and Take GWS airplanes?
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