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Old Mar 16, 2012, 08:52 PM
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This is NOT a P-51C model as the author continually reports, I have one, just bought it and the box, manual and even Global / Hobby People says it is a P-51B. In fact, the P-51's the TA's flew were P-51B's as well. Though later in the war they received newer D models.

"VQ-GLB P-51B Mustang 46 ARF Tuskegee Airplane" (Google Search return)

and
"CHOOSE the Famous "TUSKEGEE AIRMAN" RED TAIL P-51B and relive US HISTORY!"
http://www.vqwarbirds.com/product_in...products_id=45

and
"P-51B TUSKEGEE AIRMEN MAIDEN! - 10/8/2007 11:19 PM"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_64...tm.htm#6514202

Additionally, some corect history about what they actually flew:
From Wikkipedia - "The Tuskegee Airmen initially were equipped with Curtiss P-40 Warhawks fighter-bomber aircraft, briefly with Bell P-39 Airacobras (March 1944), later with Republic P-47 Thunderbolts (June–July 1944), and finally with the aircraft with which they became most commonly associated, the North American P-51 Mustang (July 1944). When the pilots of the 332nd Fighter Group painted the tails of their P-47s and later, P-51s, red, the nickname "Red Tails" was coined. Bomber crews applied a more effusive "Red-Tail Angels" sobriquet.[N 2][4]"

What model Mustangs they actually flew is open to a lot of debate. Likely a mixture of B and C models mostly, only a small number of D models were given to them near the very-very end of the war. This makes total sense since lets face it, the USAAC was bigoted towards the group and they were generally given the "left overs" and other white fighter groups received newer model upgrades.

However, the point here is, THIS VQ model is a B model as Global, Hobby People and VQ the maker designates it; and the review should get things right if he's going to write an accurate review. In real life that were considerable differences between the B and C models. My father flew both and also the D model with the 22nd FG in China from 1942 through to the end of the conflict in the Pacific Theater in 1945.
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 02:04 PM
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This is NOT a P-51C model as the author continually reports,...

However, the point here is, THIS VQ model is a B model as Global, Hobby People and VQ the maker designates it; and the review should get things right if he's going to write an accurate review. In real life that were considerable differences between the B and C models. My father flew both and also the D model with the 22nd FG in China from 1942 through to the end of the conflict in the Pacific Theater in 1945.
I am sorry sir, I have respectfully correct you on your P-51B mistake. This VQ model is made to replicate a P-51C Just like the manual states. This VQ Model represents a currently flying CAF P-51C Tuskegee Airmen. It is very easy to get a B and C model confused.

Please if you are going to bash someone, get your facts inline before doing so.....Kind regards.
http://www.redtail.org/find-out-more/mustang/
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Old Mar 18, 2012, 09:32 PM
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Hello. I have one of these wonderful birds.. Just got finshed reading most for the build and would have to say My Redtail is different in little ways. Mine uses two alerons servos and the clowing is longer. I run a 70 four stroke and my is real nose heavy too but I like nose heavy Warbirds. I took my pilot out because I get alot of smack becaues he not black LOL...I flown it three time but still havn't taken any pics I will and post them. She looks so good in the air I been looking for a 90 size to build. Happy Flying Ray
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Old Mar 25, 2012, 01:59 AM
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There are two flying P-51C's in Red Tail paint.
The CAF's Red Tail Mustang has been flying for 3 or 4 years now since it's rebuild after the tragic accident.
Kermit Weeks P-51C is also in Red Tail paint even though it was Paul Mantz's 1948 Bendix Race winner. It too flies regularly.
Chris...
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 10:55 AM
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I am sorry sir, I have respectfully correct you on your P-51B mistake. This VQ model is made to replicate a P-51C Just like the manual states. This VQ Model represents a currently flying CAF P-51C Tuskegee Airmen. It is very easy to get a B and C model confused.

Please if you are going to bash someone, get your facts inline before doing so.....Kind regards.
http://www.redtail.org/find-out-more/mustang/
Sorry pal, I have the VQ box right here in front of me, it says ON THE BOX and in the instructions it's a P-51B. The Hobby People website no longer lists this model since it has been discontinued, Global their parent company DOES have the manual for download - http://media.globalhobby.com/manual/159812.PDF

Other authorized dealers like VQ Warbirds DOES ALSO LIST IT AS A P-51B!! http://www.vqwarbirds.com/vq/product...raft/p51b.html "CHOOSE the Famous "TUSKEGEE AIRMAN" RED TAIL P-51B and relive US HISTORY!"

http://www.vqwarbirds.com/product_in...products_id=45

Last, the CAF P-51C was never one that the Red Tail actually flew, and the bio on that plane says so. It was just one that the owner decided to "mock up" to look like one and is actually not even accurate to photos of the P-51B's the Tuskegee Airmen flew in Europe.

Get you fact researched before you make em and make yourself look pretty stupid.
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Old Mar 26, 2012, 07:33 PM
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It's a nice kit. I just finished mine. Will post some photos soon. Not to get in the middle of this heated exchange but, there is no difference between a real P-51B or a P-51C. The author of this review actually shows the front cover of the instruction manual and his version does say "P-51C".
The only difference between a real P-51B and P-51C is the factories where the planes were produced. The P-51B was made in Inglewood, California (1988 built) and P-51C was made in Dallas, Texas (1750 built).
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Old Nov 29, 2013, 06:38 PM
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Good Grief .. It's a freakin P-51B ... NOT a C! There were NEVER any C models with an enclosed cockpit, referred to as a "ridge-back" like a P-47! It even says it's a P-51B from Hobby People ... I have the box and manual right here in front of me!
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Old Nov 29, 2013, 11:17 PM
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hmmm. Odd. http://mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/?su...rial/42-103645
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Old Nov 30, 2013, 05:10 PM
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More info:
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/fac...eet.asp?id=513

A Winning Combination
In the fall of 1942, Mustangs in the United States and Great Britain were experimentally fitted with British Merlin engines. One in the United States flew a remarkable 441 mph at 29,800 feet -- about 100 mph faster than the P-51A at that altitude. Mass production of the Merlin-powered P-51B and P-51C soon followed (nearly identical, North American produced the "B" in Inglewood, Calif., and the "C" in Dallas, Texas).

In December 1943 the first P-51B/C Mustangs entered combat in Europe with the 354th Fighter Group "Pioneers." By the time of the first U.S. heavy bomber strike against Berlin in March 1944, the USAAF fielded about 175 P-51B/C Mustangs. Along with P-38 Lightnings, these P-51s provided sorely needed long-range, high-altitude escort for the U.S. bombing campaign against Germany.

"Bubble-top" Mustang
The P-51D incorporated several improvements, and it became the most numerous variant with nearly 8,000 being built. The most obvious change was a new "bubble-top" canopy that greatly improved the pilot's vision. The P-51D also received the new K-14 gunsight, an increase from four to six .50-cal machine guns, and a simplified ammunition feed system that considerably reduced gun jams.
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Old Jan 13, 2014, 03:50 PM
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Good Grief .. It's a freakin P-51B ... NOT a C! There were NEVER any C models with an enclosed cockpit, referred to as a "ridge-back" like a P-47! It even says it's a P-51B from Hobby People ... I have the box and manual right here in front of me!
I think I see the problem here. VQ has, in fact, modeled a LIE! This is a model of an airplane that never fought with the Tuskegee Airman in World War 2. Yes it is a C, and yes Cs had ridgebacks. But it did not get this designation until after it was restored. And the name was given to honor the Tuskegee Airman, not to indicate than it had been with them. The LIE comes from they way it is painted - that is not what the real one looked like. And they compouned it with the information in the manual. And as someone else pointed out the real P-51C NAMED "Tuskegee Airman" was flown by a white pilot. VQ could have prevented all this by just using a designation, name and colors of a true P-51B flown by the Tuskegee Airman but may have run into permission issues.

BTW, the Bs and Cs were not identical - they had slightly different engines.
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Old Jan 13, 2014, 04:26 PM
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P-51c

I see your point. The VQ kit represents the restored CAF tribute plane to the Tuskegee Airman. The restored plane was infact a P-51C. (Check their website out. It Details how the P-51C was aquired by Montana State Univ.)
In no way does this plane represent a actual plane flown by the Tuskegee Airman or a plane flown in combat.

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I think I see the problem here. VQ has, in fact, modeled a LIE! This is a model of an airplane that never fought with the Tuskegee Airman in World War 2. Yes it is a C, and yes Cs had ridgebacks. But it did not get this designation until after it was restored. And the name was given to honor the Tuskegee Airman, not to indicate than it had been with them. The LIE comes from they way it is painted - that is not what the real one looked like. And they compouned it with the information in the manual. And as someone else pointed out the real P-51C NAMED "Tuskegee Airman" was flown by a white pilot. VQ could have prevented all this by just using a designation, name and colors of a true P-51B flown by the Tuskegee Airman but may have run into permission issues.

BTW, the Bs and Cs were not identical - they had slightly different engines.
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Old Jan 15, 2014, 12:57 PM
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Thank you gentlemen! Well stated.
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Old Feb 05, 2014, 12:35 PM
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I have seen one of the few flying P51-C close up - twice. Pictures on the old computer, still.
I was under the impression that the C version was the double cockpit converted B.
It was a trainer where new pilots could take the stick and the forward instructor could retake control if needed.
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Old Feb 05, 2014, 12:47 PM
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I have seen one of the few flying P51-C close up - twice. Pictures on the old computer, still.
I was under the impression that the C version was the double cockpit converted B.
It was a trainer where new pilots could take the stick and the forward instructor could retake control if needed.
That is not the case. A duel control Mustang is known as a TP-51 usually. Like stated before the real main difference of a B and C is the engine. I am pretty sure the only TP-51C in flying condition is owned by the Collins Foundation. I think its called Betty Jane, but I don't remember for sure. This is more than likely the Mustang you saw up close.

You brought up a great question.
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