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Old Nov 15, 2009, 12:10 PM
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Sorry to hear of the damage, but that opening line, "I had a nice flying session this morning until I hit a palm tree." has got to one of the funniest I've ever read!

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A palm has to be one of the better trees to hit. Nice and soft!
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Old Nov 15, 2009, 05:31 PM
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If i could live somewhere with nice palm trees i wouldnt mind the odd bump
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Old Nov 15, 2009, 09:31 PM
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This Taylorcraft and a cmp cessna I saw a few weeks ago while surfing the net is what got me into rc. The TC is a beautiful aircraft. I have been flying my HZ Super Cub for a couple of weeks now. After a few more weeks, I was wondering if the TC flies slow enough for someone new to the hobby learn ailerons? Possibly with an instructor(if I can find someone)

I am lookng forward to the TC,
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Old Nov 15, 2009, 09:53 PM
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The best I can describe it, the TC has no "bad" tendencies, but it is very responsive. It would make a GREAT second aileron plane. If you had some SIM time I think you could jump right on it. I was surprised by how "lively" this little high-wing was the first time I flew it

It will fly fairly slow, and it's pretty easy to land IMO. If you turn the throws down I don't think you'd have too much trouble. Really depends on how competent you are with the Super Cub.

With an instructor on a buddy box, IMO, you can learn to fly on anything at all. So that's your best bet.

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Old Nov 15, 2009, 11:44 PM
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If i could live somewhere with nice palm trees i wouldnt mind the odd bump
I cant complain, 75 degrees & sunny today. So. Cal. still has its benefits. I agree with Tony Fletcher, Palms fronds are easier on Balsa, than most other trees. With a little epoxy, & covering my TC will be like new.
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Old Nov 16, 2009, 05:45 AM
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This Taylorcraft and a cmp cessna I saw a few weeks ago while surfing the net is what got me into rc. The TC is a beautiful aircraft. I have been flying my HZ Super Cub for a couple of weeks now. After a few more weeks, I was wondering if the TC flies slow enough for someone new to the hobby learn ailerons? Possibly with an instructor(if I can find someone)

I am lookng forward to the TC,
ask yourself do you make the odd bad hard landing with the cub. if so then the instructor will be good as they can takeoff & land for you but you can get to see how the TC handles. take it high and find out how slow it will go before tipstall. or how about fitting some ailerons to your cub.
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Old Nov 16, 2009, 06:07 AM
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This Taylorcraft and a cmp cessna I saw a few weeks ago while surfing the net is what got me into rc. The TC is a beautiful aircraft. I have been flying my HZ Super Cub for a couple of weeks now. After a few more weeks, I was wondering if the TC flies slow enough for someone new to the hobby learn ailerons? Possibly with an instructor(if I can find someone)

I am lookng forward to the TC,
IMO you can easily transition to the TC from the SC. The TC is more responsive, and of course, the motor you use, i.e., 450 or 480 (or equivalents) will be a factor as well (I recommend the 450 for a start). Just get her high and learn her responsiveness. The TC is a tame ship if you fly her that way. You can always "graduate" to the 480 if you want, but I prefer the 450 for the more scale-type flying I enjoy.

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Old Nov 16, 2009, 10:40 AM
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This Taylorcraft and a cmp cessna I saw a few weeks ago while surfing the net is what got me into rc. The TC is a beautiful aircraft. I have been flying my HZ Super Cub for a couple of weeks now. After a few more weeks, I was wondering if the TC flies slow enough for someone new to the hobby learn ailerons? Possibly with an instructor(if I can find someone) I am lookng forward to the TC,
Is there a club nearby? That's your best bet for finding an instructor. The TC is much more maneuverable than the PZ Cub. (I've flown both.) I wouldn't recommend it for your first aileron model. Better you should get a more docile aileron trainer.

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Old Nov 16, 2009, 11:06 AM
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Why not add ailerons to your cub and continue with that plane as your primary trainer? That's what I did and I think it was a nice step-up to the T-Craft. It was also a fun project!

I think the T-Craft is faster and not as forgiving as the Super Cub with bad landings, etc. I agree with those that say the T-Craft wouldn't be a good first aileron plane.
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Old Nov 16, 2009, 02:14 PM
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Tony...

Great idea and lot of guys have done just that... There are many nice videos out there on converting the SC to ailerons... If the cost is acceptable one could easily gut out the cub and put a nice BL motor in, along with one of the latest super small lipo's, a nice little 3.5gr $49 AR6110 6ch receiver and 4 sub micro servo's... I almost went this route but for the money I chose to put it into the TC instead and personally I never regretted it... My super cub is still waiting for the conversion and it would make a great winter project... I wonder if the stock SC servos would just plug into an AR receiver...? I have felt for a long time that HZ has missed a real sales opportunity by not providing an SG+ version that had all these latest features with ailerons... They would learn well from the step up options available such as Eflite's BNF Blade MCX-S300 coaxial heli and it's step up to the mSR single rotor which aids a pilot as he prepares for a full collective pitch CP heli...

There are so many options out there and aileron trainers abound in various price ranges... There is no one right way and the problem may just be there are so many fun ways to spend ones money... ha.

I still wish our TC's had a full wing purchase option available but what length would that be...?

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Old Nov 16, 2009, 05:53 PM
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I personally think not enough time is spent on rc sims like phoenix or even FMS , I have spent hours on both and it helps muscle memory big time,also hundeds of landings and crashes without the stress and rebuilds ,my first plane was a small balsa pitts bipe ,i was sweating big time when it came the day to maiden it and it took off PERFECT first time and flew wicked,well its a pitts bipe after all,i was buzzing and glowing the whole flight,,,,untill ,,,,it smashed into the ground,i fixed it and crashed it and fix and crash,,,i then find out at the end of all the crash and fix time that i have a dodgy elevator servo i was hitting high speed on downward flight at full juice and when i was trying to pull out of the dive the load made the dodgy servo lock solid and go straight in full tilt,im wiser now and would spot this problem if it raised its ugly head again,what im saying in a very long beat about the bush is get a good sim and buy a nice plane and bypass the boring trainers ,i flew my bipe great my first time was just unlucky i guess,DUDE BY A TAYLORCRAFT AND SMILE BIG TIME.If you can fly phoenix you can fly the tc no probs,,Magic
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Old Nov 17, 2009, 02:25 AM
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Whoa Baby... I think I'll keep my little TC inside this evening as we have been getting sustained winds of 35mph and they are expecting 88mph winds just west of here on the pacific coast tonight... It's 60 degrees out and we've had big winds all day straight out of the south... At 10am it was dead calm and I was going to take my TC across the street to the park for a couple quick flights and before I even went out side the winds picked up to about 20mph and have just increased all day... Had I taken her up and the winds hit like it did this could have been a sad thread...

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Old Nov 17, 2009, 08:46 AM
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This Taylorcraft and a cmp cessna I saw a few weeks ago while surfing the net is what got me into rc. The TC is a beautiful aircraft. I have been flying my HZ Super Cub for a couple of weeks now. After a few more weeks, I was wondering if the TC flies slow enough for someone new to the hobby learn ailerons? Possibly with an instructor(if I can find someone)

I am lookng forward to the TC,
With an instructor on a buddy-box, sure, the Taylorcraft can be used to learn ailerons. Without an instructor, the Taylorcraft is a bit of a beast. No bad habits, sure, but it's got very responsive ailerons and is much more lively on the sticks than a Cub, Super or otherwise. It also doesn't like hard landings.

As others have suggested, you can gut your Super Cub and put in full-range, four-channel electronics, and then cut ailerons into the wings. There are better first aileron birds out there in this size and power category. The Parkzone T-28 Trojan is okay as a first aileron bird. The new E-Flite Alpha 450 is better. That one is about the same size as the Taylorcraft, and uses the same powerplant.
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Old Dec 18, 2009, 12:32 AM
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Snow came down today, now I really must fit ski's onto the T/C. Just need the wind to die down.


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Old Dec 18, 2009, 01:34 AM
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Richard Stokes...

I feel the same way and want to be out flying too... I've seen the guys and their video's showing their ski's but never thought about building some... May be a good project to start... Does anyone have any links or threads showing how to build a nice ski setup for our TC's, or is there is a place we can order some...?

Today I decided to try my luck using Testors Water Slide Decal sheets and my Photoshop CS4... I downloaded a nice selection of free and fairly high-res decals many of the guys have shared here in RC Groups... I took them into Photoshop and converted them to the colors and accuracy I wanted then after printing some low-res sheets on plain paper I set my inkjet to photo quality and printed up my first decal sheet... I sprayed it with clear acrylic and in an hour it was dry and ready to be cut... I have to say they slid off the paper within seconds after being dipped in water for 5 seconds and they really look great... So when we can't fly we have many ways to keep our hobby active...

I really think a guy could fly this Taylorcraft as a first aileron plane if it was set up right to begin with... Again having an experienced pilot trim her is very important so one doesn't find himself in the air with his beautiful new TC super tail heavy, or nose heavy, or if it has a big pull rolling right or left...

A badly trimmed plane can be a nightmare even for an experienced flyer... I have the E-Flite Sukhoi Su-26m with the same 480\1020kv motor our TC's have and mine balanced perfect at home with me having to add 1 full oz of lead to the tail... When I maidened her I could barely control her even on factory low throw settings... I went high and worked hard to figure a way to land her and I fly 3D all the time with slightly tail heavy planes but with the super sensitive elevator and way too much weight in the tail it took a while for me to control her so very slightly in my controls that I could put her safely down... I removed all the weight and without rechecking her CG I took her back up and what a beautiful flying machine on either high or low rates... I did lower my low rates from 70% on her elevator to 50% and that was much needed for scale or sport flight...

Had I just stepped up from a Hobby Zone Super Cub my plane would have been totaled... This too is the same for the Taylorcraft if it were accidentally big time out of trim... So yes when the TC is properly trimmed I think a person could transition from 3ch to this 4ch with ailerons but is it worth the risk...? My balancer said my Sukhoi was perfectly balanced when I had to add that 1 oz in the tail and yet for whatever reason my balancer was wrong or the factory CG recommendation was wrong...

Now regarding our TC's with my spoilerons on full 1/4" up on both of my TC's ailerons I can practically walk with that airplane she flies so slow and I love the spoilerons for tight landing areas as she just sinks so fast and controllably instead of floating forever... Normally I never need the spoilerons but when the wind picks up or I need to land fast yet super slow they are great...

Sorry this is so long...
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