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Old Sep 26, 2007, 07:55 AM
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Larger CP coax coming to market!

Ok, here is the link to thread in the video section:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=742847

The link to the video was also included in the poll on larger coax's started by Caemen but I felt that this new heli needed a thread of it's own. As You can see, I'm quite excited by this....

So what do we know so far? Well we know some specs:
- 0.85 dia. EP coaxial rotor
- 2.5 kg
- powered by ONE 350/450w out runner motor
- 10mn. flight with 4S/1p 14.8 V 3300

We also know it is fully CP so it will handle the wind

We know it will lift 500g or so making it an ideal platform for video

We know it is expected in 2 months (although we are used to hearing similar claims that are rarelly met)

So this is what we know so far... Since I started counting my big bucks (and those in my daughters piggie bank), I managed to get additional info on an introductory price for a full RTF heli... It is planned at under 1000$! Keep in mind this is a fully RTF large size coax! Of course, it could be anywhere between 1$ and 999$ but should not be anything above 999$... They are also planning on lower price kit version where the buyer will probably be able to choose his own motor, reciever and such (and re-use his existing gear...), but I understand that this will come later as they want to be sure of the quality of flight of the first units to make it to market.

If anyone hears any rumours or gets other information, please post it here. Charly, please feel free to corect any of this and add more info (pics, videos, days until release, product discount coupons...........)

eric
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 08:05 AM
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...free beta testing...... etc.

Wonderful design!!
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 08:32 AM
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oh yes, forgot about that one...

I guess I'll volunteer for that one... Just trying to help!

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Old Sep 26, 2007, 10:51 AM
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Now I'm very interested...this could be a nice progression from my current aircraft if it comes out before the end of the year!

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Old Sep 26, 2007, 11:09 AM
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I'm glad this outdoor coaxial now has it's own thread. We need updated info as it happens! I'd say that I am in the majority here looking at the RTF kit offering, if in fact, that option will be available. Definitely not a noob beginner platform, but for us V3/BCX2/Walkera contra type nuts that have been flying for a while, should be easy enough to handle without breaking a lot of expensive parts Gotta start saving my pennies NOW!
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 11:21 AM
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I agree with you, I will opt for the RTF version also. In fact, since this heli will probably appeal more to those of us already flying coaxials and to beginners rather than the 3D heli jock, I wonder if it makes much sense for the manufacturer to offer the kit version.

At a 1000$ RTF I don't see anyone saving many dollars putting it together unless they already have the right gear availlable. By the time you buy the 450w brushless, the ESC, the lipo, servos and receiver (is there a gyro needed for this one?) + buy the kit which seems to have a lot of machined aluminium parts, you are looking at a cost of putting it together in the 1000$ ball park no? Not so for the manufacturer who can save from economies of scale...

It also makes a lot of sense for the manufacturer to stick with a simple business of 2 or 3 RTF models (they are already planning 2) + spare parts rahter then adding kit versions as well. Plus they benefit of knowing that all the helis out there meet their specs and that the heli's reputation will not be affected by someone not putting it together properly. Service after sale is also a lot easier...

Actually the more I think about it, the more it seems they should stick to RTF. I expect some of you will 'beg to differ'?

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Old Sep 26, 2007, 11:42 AM
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I was in the process of purchasing a Flash and a e-foamies extra. Maybe I need to keep some cash for this bird...

I wonder how much money my wife as put aside for my daughter's education?

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Old Sep 26, 2007, 11:49 AM
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RTF for me, but with a detailed manual for setup purposes. Possibly ARTF, but best not a full kit
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 12:05 PM
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RTF for me, but with a detailed manual for setup purposes. Possibly ARTF, but best not a full kit
I agree about the need for an easy to read and very detailed manual that should cover all aspects of set up and trimming, etc. I know Charly will be reading this: so also included in the kit should be a minimal variety of replacement parts that are more apt to need replacement in the unfortunate event of a crash. Inner/outer shaft and blades, etc, would be a big plus and should be part of the total package without affecting the final cost of this beauty.
More videos, we want more videos!
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 12:20 PM
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Ok, here is the link to thread in the video section:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=742847

The link to the video was also included in the poll on larger coax's started by Caemen but I felt that this new heli needed a thread of it's own. As You can see, I'm quite excited by this....

So what do we know so far? Well we know some specs:
- 0.85 dia. EP coaxial rotor
- 2.5 kg
- powered by ONE 350/450w out runner motor
- 10mn. flight with 4S/1p 14.8 V 3300

We also know it is fully CP so it will handle the wind

We know it will lift 500g or so making it an ideal platform for video

We know it is expected in 2 months (although we are used to hearing similar claims that are rarelly met)

So this is what we know so far... Since I started counting my big bucks (and those in my daughters piggie bank), I managed to get additional info on an introductory price for a full RTF heli... It is planned at under 1000$! Keep in mind this is a fully RTF large size coax! Of course, it could be anywhere between 1$ and 999$ but should not be anything above 999$... They are also planning on lower price kit version where the buyer will probably be able to choose his own motor, reciever and such (and re-use his existing gear...), but I understand that this will come later as they want to be sure of the quality of flight of the first units to make it to market.

If anyone hears any rumours or gets other information, please post it here. Charly, please feel free to corect any of this and add more info (pics, videos, days until release, product discount coupons...........)

eric
I'm not Charly, but I'll help out, correct . I would like to hear what kind of equipment they are going to offer.Bud
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 01:42 PM
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Thanks for the confirmation Bud, anything else you know about this heli?
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 01:51 PM
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Wow!!! Awesome thought of this coming to market!!

This is a multi rotor heli but it is CP on both lower and upper rotors. Some things I have not seen mentioned. Please correct anything I bring up here that is not accurate.

1) The upper rotor is CP and therefore not helpful in stabilization. There will be no hands free hover. Control of hover will be through the tx input by the pilot much like a single rotor CP heli. This means there will still be a learning curve for those moving from the current Lama or BCX/2 type heli to this heli.

2) The large rotor diameter and the high head speed of CP control means that flying indoors, except perhaps a large fieldhouse, would be very dangerous if not downright fool-hearty. Hit your TV and it will not just put a nick in it, it would probably knock the TV over onto the floor. Touch a wall and the rotor(s) will go through the wall to the studs. If the rotors shatter, they will be moving at high speed imbedding into whatever they hit.

Anyway, this looks great and on the market in time for Christmas!! "Honey, I have an addition to my Christmas wish list!!"

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Old Sep 26, 2007, 02:42 PM
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I would request that the RTF have a 6-channel tx/rx set-up. That way, I could plug stuff into channels 5 and 6 easily.
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Old Sep 26, 2007, 02:43 PM
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Sounds interesting! Here's a question - does it fly more like a CX2 or a typical CP helicopter?

I'd be very interested if it was 'easy' to fly like the smaller coax helis.

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Old Sep 26, 2007, 04:14 PM
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I guess we'll need Charly or some other expert to answer some of these...
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