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Old Jul 22, 2011, 11:44 PM
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6 Tanks through the Raptor. Finally stopped raining around here but it was HOT! When it's hot or pouring rain it sure makes me glad I havent sold the msr.
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Old Jul 24, 2011, 01:56 PM
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Finally, nice, warm, sunny day and I have time to fly my helicopters! Took all (good ones) with charged batteries(*) and made a little event out of it. Decided just to enjoy the time out and flying them.

And it was worth: attempted and succeeded my first piro flips(**). Proper ones - all through them. They were high and I gained quite a lot of height (with stretched Protos) and they were, kind of "all over the place" but I didn't do two halves of a piro flip - I did it through from upright to inverted to upright! And they weren't 'half' piro flips either! Later on I tried and did them with Mini Titan, too! WOW!

(*) - Took too many batteries - I had only 3 flights with MT, 3 with Protos(es), 2 with mCP-X and one with 250 - but rest of batteries pulled my shoulder down! With all the batteries I could have 6-7 more Protos flights, another 6-8 Mini Titan, 6 more 250 and 6 more mCP-X ones... That would be almost whole day just flying!

(**) I thought that half of a piro flip is a 'half piro flip' and it wasn't. I don't know how to do half piro flips - just half of a piro flip!
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Old Jul 24, 2011, 07:35 PM
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Good stuff Clicky . I can sense your self-satisfaction from here. Sure wish I could wrap my brain around one but it ain’t gonna’ happen (not in this lifetime) and not likely the next…
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 01:45 AM
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Wind, wind, and more wind here in the S.F. Bay Area. But I flew a few batteries just to do it at the end of the day. Crashed a foamie high-wing fixie too. Those things have to be set up and I'm not geared that way yet.
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 01:57 AM
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Thanks! You're right and the reason is that I started quite from the same place you're saying you're in. It took me four years to get here and I never, ever, thought I would be able to do it!

Three years ago (or so) when I learned how to hover (and fly) nose-in I said to my self "That's it! I'm happy, now. Everything else is going to be a bonus" (as even that was quite hard for me). Only two years ago I started really 'learning' how to fly - took time to get nice and slow pirouettes and only recently, when I got a grip on them, things started opening up for me. Even then, I didn't even thing of piro flips - they looked too complex and quite unreachable for me. I don't know exactly why I decided to give them a try (on a sim, at 40% of speed) and it wasn't a full year ago.

In the mean time I decided to (re)learn to fly inverted and have been practicing for almost a year now and this time trying to do some inverted piros + got mCP-X - a real life simulator which I almost don't know how to fly upright... and when I put these two together...

BTW I'm a bit older to learn things as quickly as kids can do and was never good in learning physical skills (some people called me 'clumsy' even though I never understood why! ), so, all of this ended up as a quite a warm feeling bonus after that nose-in hovering!
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 04:49 AM
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I flew 3 times today, got fed up after every flight my ESC kept falling off my 700. I was alone at the field and had no zip ties.

Going to try again later lol
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 10:48 AM
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I had 3 test flights in the converted FBL HDX500 with Align 500 head and 3g v2.1, some how the tail is wagging slowly back and forth, I have used the gyro gain from 25% to 80% (DX8 gyro menu) and can not get rid of the wagging, I have tried the gyro vibration attenuation kit and also reduced the rudder lock gain to 50% from 70% in the USB link menu. Besides the annoying tail wagging, the heli flys great, flips and rolls are 2~3 times faster than the flybar one.

Some one please help or post a link how to get rid of the tail wagging. The heli has no vibration, logged 50+ flights with the same Futaba gy401 and s9257 servo, no tail slop and was rock solid with flybar.
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 10:54 AM
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I had, recently, problem with tail wagging on my 425mm Protos - and it turn out that tail slider wasn't moving smoothly on the tail assembly. The moment I sprayed some silicone grease over it - it become smooth and wagging stopped. You can easily try it by taking the tail rod of servo or tail arm and try it by hand...
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 10:57 AM
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I dreamt that clicky was on telly last night lol. He was sat on a setee with another guy & was being interviewed.


Clicky, that's brilliant mate BTW it will be about 4yrs ago around sept/oct ish that you were starting to do boggy loops & inverted hovering with your MT. I know this as i still have the video you sent me.

I began piro flips with just half (upright to inverted) but they were not looking great as the timing wasn't good enough. Only after i got more consistency & a lot lower doing full piro flips that my half piro flips became neater & i can do them much more confidently now. At the moment i'm learning piro tic tocs on the sim, they take the pish & i'm kindoff getting a better uinderstanding of the stick timing required. I actually tried one for real the other week but it wasn't to pretty looking LOL.

My Logo is grounded at the minute & i'm lucky i stripped it for a service as the elevator servo wire has gone bad & you can move the wire & the servo stops. It could have been disastrous had i not noticed. I hope JR will repair it.
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 12:06 PM
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I have experienced tail wagging with T-rex 450 SE #2 and have been through the tail mechanics several times. Today I realized that it is occurring when the Scorpion motor RPM's drop and increase periodically. I love the power from that motor but if it can't maintain steady revolutions it will have to go.
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 12:21 PM
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I have experienced tail wagging with T-rex 450 SE #2 and have been through the tail mechanics several times. Today I realized that it is occurring when the Scorpion motor RPM's drop and increase periodically. I love the power from that motor but if it can't maintain steady revolutions it will have to go.
Surely its the ESC causing a change in RPM's?
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 01:47 PM
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I guess so, though there are threads in various forums about Scorpions not running right with Innov8tive ESC's set to exact timing specs. This one used to run evenly. I have a 40 amp ESC to try with it that I will install when I get a chance.

BTW: does anyone know which timing of the Align 35 amp ESC corresponds to the recommendation by Innov8tive Designs? I have mine set to mid-timing but it occurs to me that low timing might be closer. I'll give it a try if no one has any experience.
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 01:59 PM
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Clicky, that's brilliant mate BTW it will be about 4yrs ago around sept/oct ish that you were starting to do boggy loops & inverted hovering with your MT. I know this as i still have the video you sent me.
4 years ago I started hovering inverted? WOW ... and I still can't do it properly! I have to dig that video out from somewhere... And put it next to yours - if you remember which one I'm talking about

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I began piro flips with just half (upright to inverted) but they were not looking great as the timing wasn't good enough. Only after i got more consistency & a lot lower doing full piro flips that my half piro flips became neater & i can do them much more confidently now. At the moment i'm learning piro tic tocs on the sim, they take the pish & i'm kindoff getting a better uinderstanding of the stick timing required. I actually tried one for real the other week but it wasn't to pretty looking LOL.
Still - you have attempted it! That counts! I'm years away from even getting courage to try on the sim...

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My Logo is grounded at the minute & i'm lucky i stripped it for a service as the elevator servo wire has gone bad & you can move the wire & the servo stops. It could have been disastrous had i not noticed. I hope JR will repair it.
That's lucky! Good you didn't push to fly it without checking everything. Can't you just fix the bad wire?
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 02:04 PM
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I had, recently, problem with tail wagging on my 425mm Protos - and it turn out that tail slider wasn't moving smoothly on the tail assembly. The moment I sprayed some silicone grease over it - it become smooth and wagging stopped. You can easily try it by taking the tail rod of servo or tail arm and try it by hand...
I talked to my buddy this morning on the phone and said the same thing. I'll try to spray it with grease as soon as I get home. Once I fix that problem, I pull the gyro and head and start the FBL upgrade.

Got a pak in my TREX500 this morning before work. Looks like I will be working all night Oh well, it pays for the addiction then it keeps me away from it
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Old Jul 25, 2011, 03:03 PM
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Thanks! You're right and the reason is that I started quite from the same place you're saying you're in. It took me four years to get here and I never, ever, thought I would be able to do it!

Three years ago (or so) when I learned how to hover (and fly) nose-in I said to my self "That's it! I'm happy, now. Everything else is going to be a bonus" (as even that was quite hard for me). Only two years ago I started really 'learning' how to fly - took time to get nice and slow pirouettes and only recently, when I got a grip on them, things started opening up for me. Even then, I didn't even thing of piro flips - they looked too complex and quite unreachable for me. I don't know exactly why I decided to give them a try (on a sim, at 40% of speed) and it wasn't a full year ago.

In the mean time I decided to (re)learn to fly inverted and have been practicing for almost a year now and this time trying to do some inverted piros + got mCP-X - a real life simulator which I almost don't know how to fly upright... and when I put these two together...

BTW I'm a bit older to learn things as quickly as kids can do and was never good in learning physical skills (some people called me 'clumsy' even though I never understood why! ), so, all of this ended up as a quite a warm feeling bonus after that nose-in hovering!
Thanks for sharing. Nothing beats a good honest recollection of ones progress . One thing for certain, there are no shortcuts.
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