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Old Aug 13, 2007, 12:39 AM
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Stunning models! I have never seen better. Thanks for sharing.

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Old Sep 05, 2007, 06:49 AM
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Hello

You are a true craftsman,an out standing model in everyway.
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Old Sep 05, 2007, 12:16 PM
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Can't imagine how I missed this thread....
Wait, it's been an event filled month.

Fantastic work,...
I like the rubber stamp step, and all the metal work.
Why/what is triple chromed? Does it make for a super hard or super shiny surface?
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Old Sep 05, 2007, 04:03 PM
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Most all chrome is/should be "triple". What it really means is, start with a base metal part polished up real pretty;
1. Copper plate it and buff out the copper even shinier;
2. Nickel plate it;
3. Chrome flash on top.

The chrome is always way thinner than the base copper and nickel.
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Old Sep 05, 2007, 04:03 PM
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Triple Chrome Plating

Generally, copper, nickel, then chrome.

From the internet:

"Triple Chrome Plating", "Quadruple Plating", "Double Nickel-Chrome"

As mentioned, decorative chrome plating always involves at least two layers of plating--a layer of nickel and a layer of chrome. But high quality plating requires a minimum of two layers of nickel. (There may also be a layer or two of copper underneath the nickel. And if the parts are plastic, there will be a layer of electroless nickel under that. If the parts are aluminum, there will be a zincate layer first, etc.)

Salespeople are always looking for advantage, and they will use any good-sounding terms they can get away with! There are no laws that define what triple chrome plating actually means, so salespeople will be prone to call their service "triple chrome plating" if there are a total of 3 layers of any kind of plating, or "quadruple chrome plating" if there are 4. So those terms mean little.

The most important issue for quality chrome plating (for outdoor exposure such as on a vehicle) is that it MUST have at least two layers of nickel plating before the chrome: namely semi-bright nickel followed by bright nickel. The reason for this involves galvanic corrosion issues. The bright nickel is anodic to the semi-bright nickel, sacrificially protecting it, spreading corrosion forces laterally instead of allowing them to penetrate to the steel. OEMs require very close control of this factor, and there is a test (the Chrysler developed STEP test) which large shops run daily to insure the right potentials. Control of this issue is probably the principal reason that today's chromium plating greatly outlasts the chrome plating of earlier times.

Experts argue whether copper plating provides any additional corrosion resistance at all, but with or without copper plating underlying the nickel, chrome on top of a single layer of nickel will not hold up to the severe exposure of a vehicle! Industry professionals call the two layers of nickel "duplex nickel plating", and that would be a much better term to use than "triple chrome" and such.

Chrome plating is hardly a matter of dipping an article into a tank, it is a long involved process that often starts with tedious polishing and buffing, then cleaning and acid dipping, zincating (if the part is aluminum), and copper plating. For top reflectivity "Show Chrome", this will be followed by buffing of the copper for perfect smoothness, cleaning and acid dipping again, and plating more copper, then two or three different types of nickel plating, all before the chrome plating is done. Rinsing is required between every step.
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Old Sep 06, 2007, 12:51 AM
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Most all chrome is/should be "triple". What it really means is, start with a base metal part polished up real pretty;
1. Copper plate it and buff out the copper even shinier;
2. Nickel plate it;
3. Chrome flash on top.

The chrome is always way thinner than the base copper and nickel.
Pretty much that in a nutshell. I used a guy in North Hollywood, CA., since retired. He would buff the raw fitting, copper plate, buff that, nickel plate, buff that, then drop it into a chrome tank, then buff that. The guy did great work. One thing about chrome plating, it will not hide imperfections. It shows everything. The copper coat can be a heavy coat to help hide stuff, but that leads to distorting details. Best case; finesse all imperfections before you take a part to a chrome shop. Buff, buff, buff. Polishing is the key. Oh yea, make sure to talk to the person that will actually be handling your part. The last thing you want is a car bumper expert handling a model part you just spent three weeks perfecting doing the dipping.
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Old Jul 07, 2009, 05:38 PM
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WOW!! just spectacular Pat

Hows the Barrelback doing?
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Old Jul 07, 2009, 08:27 PM
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Thanks Harry. The Barrel Back is collecting dust. Been busy on other boats.

I have this old VECO 35 Ocean Going Tug screaming at me. I'm thinkin' something like this.
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Old Jul 08, 2009, 04:51 AM
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I'd forgotten about that one... Great photo should/will come out great. Harry
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Old Nov 02, 2009, 06:57 PM
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I'm really mad now. Here I am sitting here looking at two model runabouts with NOT ONE FLAW anywhere on the boat. There's not a single nail out of line or even a little wiggle in the trim. It's too perfect to be real. Must be photoshopped or sumpin. Ain't never seen models so well done eva in ma lifetime. Beautiful work both of you guys. I would even go so far as to call it spectacular and I don' give that to anyone. Pete
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Old Nov 02, 2009, 07:03 PM
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Old Nov 02, 2009, 07:25 PM
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I'm really mad now. Here I am sitting here looking at two model runabouts with NOT ONE FLAW anywhere on the boat. There's not a single nail out of line or even a little wiggle in the trim. It's too perfect to be real. Must be photoshopped or sumpin. Ain't never seen models so well done eva in ma lifetime. Beautiful work both of you guys. I would even go so far as to call it spectacular and I don' give that to anyone. Pete
Thanks Pete...it's just a Dumas kit, slightly modified.
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Old Nov 03, 2009, 11:39 AM
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I believe that I came up against this boat at one of the IMS shows in LA. If it's the one the pictures do not do Justus. It is just beautiful. It is a shame that the Krokers are gone I do have a boat with two in line. Fast, powerful, and smooth motors.
I think I'm starting to give away my age now.
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Old Nov 03, 2009, 11:42 AM
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Ya I know ,it's just a kit and anybody can build a kit,even me. However the finish is what separates the men from the boys and you have to be a giant among men of model building. The extra details also makes the model and it's for certain that many painstaking hours of time were put into these models. A wonderful bit of work there WB. Congratulations on some very superb work. Pete
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Old Nov 03, 2009, 11:55 AM
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I believe that I came up against this boat at one of the IMS shows in LA. If it's the one the pictures do not do Justus. It is just beautiful. It is a shame that the Krokers are gone I do have a boat with two in line. Fast, powerful, and smooth motors.
I think I'm starting to give away my age now.

Thanks G. Need to see your boat with the top removed.

Thanks Pete.
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