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Old Jun 13, 2011, 12:56 AM
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I'm not normally one to post stuff like this, but...

I completed my first plane ever and flew it so I consider it a success. Thank you very much Tomhe I'm having fun.

This was my first build so it was all new to me. I wanted to do this on the cheap so that explains why I did some things listed.

My set up:
-2212-06 motor
-40 amp ESC
-3S 22000 mAh bat
-9g metal gear servos
-CT6B 6CH RC (<- WOW, what a PIA!) Send a PM if you want some help with the settings if you get this.
-I live in Reno NV so my control horns and motor mounts are "Player's Cards" that casinos give out for free. They are like credit cards with no stamping so you can use the entire card.
-Wire hangers from the dry cleaner for control linkages

It isn't a rocket ship, but it gets around and I am happy. I am also very pleased with flight times in the 10 min neighborhood; but I mostly putt around just having fun keeping it out of the dirt.

My CG is about .5" (12.7mm) ahead of the recommended and it seems just fine. I flew at the recommended CG and that was good too.

Also I used Dollar Tree foam. I left the paper on the foam since it added so much stiffness to all the parts. I did trim all the paper on the edges 5mm back so I could round them but for the most part the paper stays on. I don't use any stiffeners like carbon, but I was considering the wood stirrers from Starbucks... I just didn't need them since anything that bears load remains really stiff.

I took some time once finished and painted it... Camo was a little bit more subtle that I would have liked.


Advice to beginners: Don't paint your plane in a way that you can't tell if you are looking at the top or the bottom. That way when your plane is hit with a gust of wind you don't end up with this.


^^^ This is also the result of more than one crash. But the last crash was SWEET! The girl trying to train her dog, that I almost hit, didn't think so. It was hard to hear her cussing at me over the sound of my own laughter.

This is the build 2 with the remains of build 1.



Build 2 looking much better than build 1, and less showy, after the maiden:


Thanks again Tomhe.

okbye
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Old Jun 13, 2011, 02:22 AM
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Best design. I really love this plane, my first one's nose is only held by tape from all the abuse it took, and it has a nasty uncontrollable knife edge stall on left bank turns, specially downwind. I learned to save from that stall by diving into a right roll(left doesn't work as effective) then level off with super responsive elevator. This is the only plane I can do on the deck loop to landings with. It should should have an award or something.

Your plane looks good Meh...
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Old Jun 14, 2011, 05:02 AM
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started my build, firstly i would like to say thanks a lot to Tomhe for the brilliant design, and i would like to also thanks to MetroGTi for the Full fuse concept.

Though the build is not complete but couldn't resist to post unfinished pics...
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Old Jun 16, 2011, 06:40 AM
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Best design. I really love this plane, my first one's nose is only held by tape from all the abuse it took, and it has a nasty uncontrollable knife edge stall on left bank turns, specially downwind. I learned to save from that stall by diving into a right roll(left doesn't work as effective) then level off with super responsive elevator. This is the only plane I can do on the deck loop to landings with. It should should have an award or something.

Your plane looks good Meh...
Sounds like your CoG is too far aft, have you checked it is smack on the recommended. Mine is as solid as a rock all speed turns either direction. Just a thought.

Or perhaps you are describing battle damage flight characteristics
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Old Jun 18, 2011, 03:01 PM
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Sounds like your CoG is too far aft, have you checked it is smack on the recommended. Mine is as solid as a rock all speed turns either direction. Just a thought.

Or perhaps you are describing battle damage flight characteristics
Yes my cg is a bit aft, but I think it's more on how I built it, the left wing is tilted to a reflex. I just learned to fly it that way, and it's still alive.
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Old Jun 18, 2011, 10:13 PM
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But the last crash was SWEET! The girl trying to train her dog, that I almost hit, didn't think so. It was hard to hear her cussing at me over the sound of my own laughter.

Meh,beats me why you'd be laughing over something like this.If you had of hit her and the police were called in,you'd definitely be singing a different tune.Have you ever been sued before?For your sake,I sure hope you have some type of personal insurance coverage.Even AMA wouldn't come to your rescue in a scenario like this.If you've infringed on the AMA safety code,your on your own.Be smarter next time and pick a safer flying spot where there's NO chance of possibly hitting and injuring someone or damaging personal property.Your actions directly impact the rest of us involved in the hobby as well.If you get bad press.......we're all going to be viewed in the same light.Please be smarter and safer next time out.Safe flying.
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Old Jun 19, 2011, 05:14 AM
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Paint Job?

My little 65% is ready for a paint scheme before maiden.

Any ideas? I'm fresh out. I've done the traditional on the 100% but I don't think it would be wise on the little one when it comes to orientation. Hard enough to tell top from bottom on the 100%.
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Old Jun 19, 2011, 11:26 AM
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I'm not normally one to post stuff like this, but...

I completed my first plane ever and flew it so I consider it a success. Thank you very much Tomhe I'm having fun.

This was my first build so it was all new to me. I wanted to do this on the cheap so that explains why I did some things listed.

My set up:
-2212-06 motor
-40 amp ESC
-3S 22000 mAh bat
-9g metal gear servos
-CT6B 6CH RC (<- WOW, what a PIA!) Send a PM if you want some help with the settings if you get this.
-I live in Reno NV so my control horns and motor mounts are "Player's Cards" that casinos give out for free. They are like credit cards with no stamping so you can use the entire card.
-Wire hangers from the dry cleaner for control linkages

It isn't a rocket ship, but it gets around and I am happy. I am also very pleased with flight times in the 10 min neighborhood; but I mostly putt around just having fun keeping it out of the dirt.

My CG is about .5" (12.7mm) ahead of the recommended and it seems just fine. I flew at the recommended CG and that was good too.

Also I used Dollar Tree foam. I left the paper on the foam since it added so much stiffness to all the parts. I did trim all the paper on the edges 5mm back so I could round them but for the most part the paper stays on. I don't use any stiffeners like carbon, but I was considering the wood stirrers from Starbucks... I just didn't need them since anything that bears load remains really stiff.

I took some time once finished and painted it... Camo was a little bit more subtle that I would have liked.

^^^ This is also the result of more than one crash. But the last crash was SWEET! The girl trying to train her dog, that I almost hit, didn't think so. It was hard to hear her cussing at me over the sound of my own laughter.


Thanks again Tomhe.

okbye
Nice job, Meh...and out of dollar foam as well! Very cool...gives me a little inspiration to build another one soon. By the way, where do you fly out there in Reno? My two neighbors/flying buddies are coming with me to watch the Reno Races in September and I thought we should bring our warbirds up to fly a bit before watching the Unlimited Gold races on Sunday. Any local tips would be awesome!

Post some video of your nice white plane if you can and keep on flyin!
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Old Jun 19, 2011, 09:39 PM
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This has to be one of my all timne favorite airplanes, and with some LEDs I just opened up a whole new world of flight time! Thanks Tomhe!!

jb

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Old Jun 21, 2011, 03:27 AM
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some more developments
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 04:59 AM
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Mate of mine did this shaping. I kept reminding him that it's meant to be a QUICK BUILD. He kept ignoring my jibes.

It flew well for one and a bit flights when he lost all power on board and subsequently control. I put it down to Deans connectors (hate them).
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 09:52 AM
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I am and always have been WITH YOU re Deans !!! Both real Deans and ripoffs.
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 02:47 PM
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I am and always have been WITH YOU re Deans !!! Both real Deans and ripoffs.
Join me on the darkside with some Anderson PowerPoles.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...7#post14022567


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BTW - Joe Black, that build is looking great. I wouldn't worry about spending some extra time shaping it. It pays off in the end. I spent a lot of time painting mine and putting in lights...and it is still flying approx 1.5 years later.
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 06:43 PM
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Well ...

I used to think that also HOWEVER ...

I have an old ICE charger which has a Graphic display during charge.
It autozooms in on the charger ramp and shows the slope.
Well when I pick up the pak during charge and I see JAGGY SPIKES in the graph
I have to investigate.
I found my Power poles to be "Noisey" when Shaken ( not stirred ).

So I have since moved on to 3.5mm banana types from HK or similar.
I started using the 3.5mm sets with the Blue matching housings.
They are a pain if you get ANY solder on the outside of the barrel
as they then become difficult to Snap into the housing.

Otherwise I like em.

But lately I'm thinking that since the latest Lipos Paks are coming with the YEllow
connector I might have to eventually go to that style.
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 08:17 PM
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I have an old ICE charger which has a Graphic display during charge.
It autozooms in on the charger ramp and shows the slope.
Well when I pick up the pak during charge and I see JAGGY SPIKES in the graph
That is interesting, but I don't see how lifting a pack would cause a lapse in the connection unless the connection wasn't good to begin with. I wonder if the correct size wire versus the correct size connector were being used...since the ability of the crimped barrel to hold the wire would be affected if either were mismatched. Powerpoles are used in high-voltage applications, so I would imagine if that was an inherent problem with them, then those spikes would cause all kinds of havoc (and damage) to the systems in which the are being used. Anyway, enough about a specific type of connector. Glad you found your issue.



To encourage joeblack to keep going with his build, I attached a vid (albeit a poor one) of the bottom of my f22...showing the "afterburners" and wingtip leds.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1189971
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