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Old Jul 24, 2007, 11:02 AM
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Fun Times Living in Islamic Iran

Reminds me of the Jews living in pre-war Germany. You just want to tell them to save their lives and "Get out! Get out!"
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On patrol with Iran's fashion police

It all starts with one simple sentence, spoken almost in a whisper, but which has a thunderous effect.

A female police officer deployed in Tehran's latest moral crackdown tells a woman that her manto (overcoat) is too short and infringes Iranian Islamic dress rules.

"Azizam (my dear), good afternoon, if possible could we have a friendly chat, please allow us to have a small chat," the officer, a graduate of Tehran's police academy, tells the young woman.

"My dear there is a problem with your manto. Please do not wear this kind of manto. Please wear a longer manto from now on."

Some are just let go there, but others are escorted to waiting minibuses with dark black tinted window panes and labelled "Guidance Patrol."

A girl in a short white manto whose long hair was tumbling out the front of her headscarf is taken by the police to one of the minibuses on Vanak Square in central Tehran -- an unexpected and unhappy end to her shopping trip.

Another arrested woman is already inside the bus. She begins to cry. "I promise, I promise!"

And the minibus doors slam shut.

Tehran's police have said they are operating a three stage process in implementing the new wave of a crackdown on dress deemed to be unIslamic, which started with some intensity on Monday afternoon.

First, women are given a verbal warning on the street. If the problem is not resolved there, they are taken to the police station for "guidance" and to sign a vow not to repeat the offence. Should this be unsuccessful, their case is handed to the judiciary.

"Sure my manto is short, but there are many others whose clothes are more seductive than mine and they walking by without any punishment," one of the arrested girls in the minibus complained bitterly.

The arrested women will now go to a "centre for combating vice".
More: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
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Old Jul 24, 2007, 11:31 AM
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I guess it's reasonable to assume then, that neither the Swedish Bikini Team nor the Hooters Girls will be soon getting invited to appear over there.

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Old Jul 24, 2007, 11:44 AM
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I guess it's reasonable to assume then, that neither the Swedish Bikini Team nor the Hooters Girls will be soon getting invited to appear over there.

Rick
The Devil's knockin' on the door... Isreal, then Iraq,... then IRAN!
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1951990120070319

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Old Jul 24, 2007, 11:54 AM
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I guess it's reasonable to assume then, that neither the Swedish Bikini Team nor the Hooters Girls will be soon getting invited to appear over there.

Rick

So then it would appear that such religious piety is its own punishment.
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Old Jul 24, 2007, 12:03 PM
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I have to wonder, considering the title, was there a time when Iran wasn't so "Islamic"? Funny that there are practicing Jews, Christians and other non Islamic sects that also exsist in Iran, and aren't hassled about their faith..
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Old Jul 24, 2007, 12:07 PM
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I have to wonder, considering the title, was there a time when Iran wasn't so "Islamic"? Funny that there are practicing Jews, Christians and other non Islamic sects that also exsist in Iran, and aren't hassled about their faith..
Yup, it's a real picnic over there for Christians: http://www.jubileecampaign.co.uk/world/ira1.htm

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Old Jul 24, 2007, 12:10 PM
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I have to wonder, considering the title, was there a time when Iran wasn't so "Islamic"? Funny that there are practicing Jews, Christians and other non Islamic sects that also exsist in Iran, and aren't hassled about their faith..
Surely you can be serious..
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Old Jul 24, 2007, 12:21 PM
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Religious intolerance takes many forms. For some it's dress prohibitions. For others makeup prohibitions. For others it's denying rights to gays. For other's its prohibiting medical procedures. "Do as I demand for God's sake".

The one thing in common is those who got the religion want to jam their views down everyone's throats. Slightly different flavors of the same nauseating brew.
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Old Jul 24, 2007, 12:33 PM
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Surely you can be serious..
Yeah I guess I am serious, these other religions are permited to exist and practice, it might be a bit dicey at times, but it isn't analolous to 1930's Germany.

What you folks don't want mentioned is the rather liberal governance of the previous president of Iran, who did relax the sharia laws, and that even in Iran, women still don't have to be completely Burkah'd to be in public. There is a good deal of resentment about these sharia law intrusions among the general public. There is a lot of moderness in the urban culture.


Iran is a country of diverse beliefs and ethnicity, and if you can't find the time to learn a little bit about the history of it's culture, how can you be taken "serious"ly?
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Old Jul 24, 2007, 12:37 PM
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I have to wonder, considering the title, was there a time when Iran wasn't so "Islamic"? Funny that there are practicing Jews, Christians and other non Islamic sects that also exsist in Iran, and aren't hassled about their faith..
Not fully passed but attempted as of May 06
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Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."

The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.
Iranian Non Muslims must wear colored badges...

Death penalty for conversion from Islam...
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Given the vast extent of such rulings, many of which may be mutually contradictory, there is considerable uncertainty about what constitutes an offense under the law. In the specific area of religious freedom many qualified jurists, including Ayatollah Khomeini, whose teachings, as the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, enjoy a privileged position in contemporary Iranian clerical jurisprudence have ruled that the penalty for conversion from Islam, or apostasy, is death.
Human Rights Watch report on Iran's death penalty for conversion
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Old Jul 24, 2007, 12:49 PM
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Due to the socio-economic and political pressures in the years following the Iranian Revolution, periods of outright persecution and times of more latent discrimination many Iranian Christians, both as part of the general exodus of Iranians and as response to the specific pressures, have emigrated, mostly to the USA, Canada and Western Europe. In 2000, about 0.4% of Iran's population were Christians. In 1975, Christians numbered about 1.5% of the total population. Statistically, a much larger percentage of non-Muslims have emigrated out of Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians_in_Iran

A bit dicey?..ok....I know many iranians,one was my boss for several years and I have heard the stories of Zoroastrian,Christian,Baha'i along with jews being persecuted.Have you read about this because I have heard and read about it first hand.Seriously.
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Old Jul 24, 2007, 02:10 PM
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They are dhimmis..non muslims living in "Dar es Islam"...the muslim world. Sharia demands that dhimmis feel their secondary status and feel subdued.
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Old Jul 24, 2007, 02:21 PM
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They are dhimmis..non muslims living in "Dar es Islam"...the muslim world. Sharia demands that dhimmis feel their secondary status and feel subdued.
Hmmm... if you spend any time at moveon.org, you start getting the feeling that they believe that Conservatives should be treated the same way in the US.

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Old Jul 24, 2007, 11:12 PM
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Ah,.. well you know, posting a rather dated HRW article and a Op-ed piece from a spittle flecked neocon shreikblog is a sure sign of studying this situation.

There is a National Geographic from June of 2001 that had a report on the (at that time..) growing democracy movement in Iran. The author even had an long interview with President Kohemanni about these times. The Dhimni crackdowns were still being shreiked about even before then. But as a friend who is from Iran, and has family still living there said once, "The Clerics get a lot of their followers from angry and disaffected rural poor, and undereducated day workers." This new president won on promises, ( he's not keeping..BTW), about solving economic woes and creating more, and better paying government employment..



I assume you folks think every one of the Islamics in Iran is a black turbaned, scowling, bearded, religious fascist. That the more "middle of the road" average Joe isn't grinding his teeth about these crackdowns? Lets give Iranian citizens some credit for having some brains and compassion.

The Clerics are a minority..
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