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Old Jul 16, 2007, 12:35 PM
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E-Sky E-Smart 600 series build thread

One of these beasties should be arriving early Tuesday morning. I did a search in this forum and found most of the posts on it located in the belt cp thread..sooo I figured this beauty should have her on location. Feel free to post away, I can't do much but review the frame when it gets here.

Here was the original thread from general heli chat
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609144

A word of warning if you are new to helis and the price is in your range. This is not a toy!
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=998

SETUP

Motor: Stock 1200kv ESKY motor
Shaft: 5mm
Pinion: 12T (included in kit)
Main Gear: 120T
mods: .8 or 32 pitch
Max Voltage: 24v
Max Amps: 50amps
Max Watts: 1000
Poles: 8
Dimensions: 43 mm x 73.5 mm
No load Current: 5.0 Amps

Servos: 4 x SSV-9764MG
Weight: 48g / 1.058oz
Torque: 9.7kg-cm 132oz/in @ 6v
Speed: .12sec / 60deg
Size: 40.5 x 20 x 38.5mm
Gear Type: Metal Gear
https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITED...idProduct=3880

ESC/BEC
80 AMP PRO HEXTRONKS
https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITED...idProduct=4315
HD 5v/3A BEC up to 34v
http://www.helidirect.com/product_in...oducts_id=1157

Gyro: FUTABA GY401 (tried true trusted)

Reciever: Futaba 8ch

Power: 6s2p configuration using 4 x Hextronik 1700

Battery Bay Aprox Dimensions
174mm Long X 68mm Wide X 62mm High

RTF Weight: 2610g

E-sky Produced Vid outdoor 3D
RC711.com - ESky E-Smart Heli Demo Video EK5H-E001 (3 min 39 sec)



Possible substitution parts & mods:
QJ EP-8 Main gear and auto hub: Direct replacement
Quick of Japan and Hurricane 550 pinions
T-Rex Tail Holder and further details from Tweekster on how to make it all fit together~ can be found here!


READ Known Issues READ
Please PM me with others and I will post them. Please be sure that its a common issue, and not just a problem you experienced.
1) Stock tail rotors have to much slop, upgraded tail assembly solves problem
2) Stock motor has thrown the set screw out of the pinion, and some have ground a flat spot of the shaft.
3) links on some are to tight, so some link sizing may be required
4) guide pins for washout assembly need to be affixed with epoxy.. or method of your choosing.
5) See attached photo for placement of last brass ring
6) Upgrade silver tail rotor holder does not work with cnc blade grips.
7) hinge pins loose in the forficiform control arms in some kits (ca fix)

Upgrade problems & fixes
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=1258


Other Build Guides
Sting35 pointed out these excellent build guides linked by Beer Man which have excellent info.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=2136
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Old Jul 17, 2007, 12:47 PM
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Kit arrived today Thanks HD! Pics to come soon.
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 03:13 AM
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More more info!
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 04:12 AM
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Interesting head design, can't wait for more details.
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 08:53 AM
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Lets just say this build is cake! I need to run around her again with loctite.. but this heli can be ready for servos in about 2 hours if you have fair knowledge of how most helis go together..

As always e-skys instructions are not the best..but they were better than what ya get outta their smaller helis. All the parts seem real tough, and fairly well made.

The motor that comes with it is 1200kv and rated at 50amps.. they rec a 70amp controller. I read that this heli will can get in the air on 6s1p, I am gonna try running in series my 2 x 2070 TPXs..

Have a gy401.. Just need to pick out servos..
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 09:26 AM
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What did you pay for it?
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 11:53 AM
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$185 shipped included motor.. it was the deal of the day at HD for 24hrs.. I posted it all over the heli sections and bargins area.
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 11:55 AM
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Nice plat!
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 12:11 PM
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I think it is still a deal at $239 shipped from HD.. I am going to make this bird as inexpensive yet good as possible. Ya I know.. usually don't go hand in hand.

BUT I found 4 dig servos that are .12 over 100oz for $60 total

80amp hv esc for $40

hv bec $10.00

GY401 is $138.00 (not totally skimping here)

Cheapy 6 ch rx from esky $20.00

I picked up 4 x 1700mah 20cs new for $100.00

So if this all works out it will be under $600 to get this bird off the ground. I have the batts to run it 6S2P .. but I am gonna carefully test it with 6S1P 1st.
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 07:59 PM
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That thing is going to be like a walkera with all that bad elctronics
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 08:04 PM
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I dont know if A123 fit but thats another option to keep runtime cheaper...

More macro pics please!

(i knew i should have bought this thing )

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Old Jul 18, 2007, 11:08 PM
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Um.. bad? heh.. those servos are on someones gas raptor 50. If they can run that.. they can run this like its a red headed step child. I have found many many inexpensive parts from china that are every bit as good as the name brands out there.

.12 secs is better than the top end hitec mg

HS-985MG specs

Operating Voltage: 4.8-6.0 Volts
Operating Temperature Range: -20 to +60 Degree C
Operating Speed (4.8V): 0.16sec/60 at no load
Operating Speed (6.0V): 0.13sec/60 at no load
Stall Torque (4.8V): 144 oz/in. (9.6kg.cm)
Stall Torque (6.0V): 172 oz/in. (12.4kg.cm)

Dimensions: 1.55" x 0.78"x 1.48" (39.4 x 20 x 37.8mm)
Weight: 2.18oz. (62g)

And the Scanner RC Servo

Weight: 48g / 1.058oz
Torque: 9.7kg-cm 132oz/in @ 6v
Speed: .12sec / 60deg
Size: 40.5 x 20 x 38.5mm
Gear Type: Metal Gear

So I lose 4oz of weight gain some speed, and lose some torque. These were given 5 stars by about 15 people. But the proof sure will be in the puddin.

The ESC has been used by well over 100 people with 0 problems.

I have already had several of the batteries and they work on par with TP.


Hailo from what I understand the A123s don't give as much umpf either. I know that 4 x 2200 mahs will easily fit in the bay. 4 x tpx's 2070s will easily fit.
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 12:31 AM
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plat do you know what was the motor shaft diameter and where can i buy those esc and bec? also if i want to do the 2 2100 mah pack parallel thing how do i do that?
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 11:34 AM
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The pinion comes with the kit Siryan.. but I can see if I can get my calipres in there to measure the shaft.

You would want to run them in series not parallel.. I am not sure if this is gonna absolutely work. Motor is rated at 50 amps.. this Heli will probably draw at least 40amps. So I am testing 6s1p carefully.. and if the batteries look like they are getting to hot, I'll go 6s2p.

I posted links in the 1st post to the esc.. here are the p and s connectors.. or you can make your own.

https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITED...idProduct=2155

https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITED...idProduct=2156
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 12:33 PM
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great info thanks the pictures explains it all

so if i have 4 2000 mah pack i can make a 6s2p 4000 mah pack with the combination of series and parallel cables
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