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Old Jun 23, 2007, 07:13 AM
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Choosing first balsa kit Guillows B-24D or B-17G or P-38-L

Hello everybody
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Help me to choose right kit.
I'm looking for relatively big balsa kit for BL power. At this moment I stopped on Guillows Giant Scale. But I'm not sure. Are any similar kits available? I'm not familiar with market. And market values also. Are Tower Hobbies prices good enough (65.99)?
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXK615&P=SM
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXK616&P=SM
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXK614&P=SM

Any suggestions on electric conversion?
What else I need to build it to order at once?

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SUMMARY
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Guillows - B-24D - 48.5" - $66 (TH)
Guillows - B-17G - 45.75" - $66 (TH)
Guillows - P-38 - 40" - $66 (TH)
Guillows - DC-3 - 35.5" - $43 (TH)

SIG - Do-217 - 47" - $80 (TH) - comparative comments needed!

Top Flite - DC-3 - 82.5" - $210 (TH)

??? - OV-10 - 48" - $180 (Espr)

Mountain Models - P-38 - 38" - $80

Dare Hobby - A-20G - 38.5" - $65 - looks best for me as my 1st kit right now
Dare Hobby - B-25 - 42" - $75
Dare Hobby - B-17 - 75.5" - $230
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Kostya
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Old Jun 23, 2007, 07:18 AM
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Kostya,

Try the range at MountainModels - http://www.mountainmodels.com

Their kits are designed outright for e-flight.

Paul.
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Old Jun 23, 2007, 09:17 AM
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Koysta,
Guillows would be about my last choice for a first time builder. These are 1970's kits with die crushed bad balsa and not designed for electric. There is actually a big following of these kits in Scale, but they are generally tackled by experienced modelers who enjoy the challenge.

Spend a little more for a Mountain models or Stevensaero or simalar modern laser cut kit for your first. -Steve
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Old Jun 23, 2007, 09:31 AM
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AerodromeRC is another choice, as well as Manzano Laser. Even the Dumas electris designed by Pat Trittle would be a good choice.

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Old Jun 25, 2007, 04:49 AM
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Koysta,
Guillows would be about my last choice for a first time builder. These are 1970's kits with die crushed bad balsa and not designed for electric. There is actually a big following of these kits in Scale, but they are generally tackled by experienced modelers who enjoy the challenge.

Spend a little more for a Mountain models or Stevensaero or simalar modern laser cut kit for your first. -Steve
Steve, what means "die crushed bad balsa". Is it really so bad?
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Old Jun 25, 2007, 04:50 AM
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May be somebody can direct me to good build thread of electric balsa 2-motor KIT thread?
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Old Jun 25, 2007, 09:29 AM
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Kostya,

Try the range at MountainModels - http://www.mountainmodels.com

Their kits are designed outright for e-flight.

Paul.

MountainModels carries only one suitable kit - P-38. And it looks not so good in picture on their site.
Thanks for suggest anyway.
Just wonder why you shink that it is better than Guillows P-38? Guillows looks better...
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Old Jun 25, 2007, 09:31 AM
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Koysta,
Guillows would be about my last choice for a first time builder. These are 1970's kits with die crushed bad balsa and not designed for electric. There is actually a big following of these kits in Scale, but they are generally tackled by experienced modelers who enjoy the challenge.

Spend a little more for a Mountain models or Stevensaero or simalar modern laser cut kit for your first. -Steve
http://www.stevensaero.com and http://www.aerodromerc.com/ doesn't have any twin motors scale kits..
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Old Jun 25, 2007, 09:57 AM
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Hi Salat,
You might want to check out the Mountain Models P38 thread in parkflyers before you rule it out--some of these are really coming out well.

Darehobby sells Tritles B17, which is fantastically light, good flying plane.

http://www.darehobby.com/airplane-electric-02.htm

There's a video in the vid section that shows how awesome it flies. But since you say this is your first build, this would be a HUGE undertaking and perhaps not wise. Dare also has a B25 which is a free flight model which can be converted--also a builders kit (Meaning the kit has less precut parts and you are cutting, fitting and sanding everything else) There is a thread on this in Scale right now.

As far as your question about die cutting/balsa quality--I wish you could see guillows p38 kit and mountain models P38 in person. Instead of clean laser cut parts in light balsa computer designed to lock together, the guillows will have roughly cut parts in heavier inferior wood. You will want to replace much of it, and certainly all the plywoods as they are the worst. I don't want to bad mouth guillows too much, as they do have a following here--they have a great assortment of models and are inexpensive. But again, not the best for a first build if you want it to fly.

Good luck and have fun! -Steve
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Old Jun 25, 2007, 11:42 PM
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IMHO Guillows kits require a lot more experience to turn out a good model than some others. The wood leaves much to be desired and the dies have seen better days. Guillows is doing some Laser cutting now and maybe in the future they will do their multi engine line with laser cutting. Who knows?

The Dare B17 is a great model and well it should be at $200 pus.

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Old Jun 26, 2007, 09:21 AM
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Thank you Steve for comprehesive advice!
DareHobby is GREAT! Although B17 seems too expensive for time ($300 for international shipping), there are several others:
B25 Mitchell Bomber 42" $97.44
A-20G Havoc 38.5" $84.44

Guillows large kits cost almost the same if we take in account shipping (about $30-40) but things you told about bad quality of balsa really scarry me. I can't easily get balsa here, in Siberia and thin plywood too. So I wondering what else I need to order at once to build the kit? Covering or balsa stocks or sheetings?

Does anybody know anymore vendors of lasercut kits like DareHobby?
I interested in 2-motors of 40"+ ws. B-26 Marauder for example. Dumas makes such, but it only 30" ws..

What about Sig Dornier Do 217 EP Kit 47" only $80 at TowerHobbies and it is laser cut? Any opinions?
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMUM2&P=0

Konstantin.
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Old Jun 26, 2007, 11:26 AM
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there's nothing "hard" about a guillows kit. It's keel construction... you put the keel down, you build a half of the fuselage, and then build the other half off the plans. It doesn't get much easier. If you're a clear thinker, and follow the instructions, Guillows kits are a fun build. All the platic parts are there and can be glued on when it's all covered. Mounting the gear and motors will be about the most tricky part, but as long as you take care to get the thrust lines right, isn't too much drama either. The parts can be well cut out, but you need to be a little on the lucky side... just get a sharp scalpel to cut around the parts rather than just pushing them all out.

It's not "put it all together in your lap without glue" like a Stevens kit, but it's not hard. I say that if you have the flying experience to fly these things when they're built, I say pick any of the Guillows kits and have at it. If you do not have flying experience, then anything like this (especially multi-motors) is something to really be avoided, and get a trainer first.
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Old Jun 26, 2007, 12:53 PM
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If you do go with the Dare B25, here's a current thread which might help.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...&highlight=B25

And the P38 MM thread, :
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...86#post3734886

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Old Jun 26, 2007, 01:04 PM
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I will agree with you but only to a point. The actual construction of Guillows kits is not difficult. That's true. But the quality of the wood and the die cutting leaves very much to be desired. Almost every part must be tweaked to fit--mostly because the die cutting is so bad. The wood is far too heavy which contributes to bad die cuts. And even the slightest deviation will cause the plastic parts not to fit.
Because of these faults a guillows kit is not the best choice for a first build. When a bit more experienced a Guillows kit will be a good choice

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Old Jun 26, 2007, 06:15 PM
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estar models has an OV-10; i think its around 40" span. theyve got other nice stuff too. i think the ov-10 is the only multi engine though

http://www.estarmodels.com/

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