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Old Jul 27, 2008, 11:33 AM
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Hi Everyone,

I will use bigger accu and a normal Futaba receiver, so I have to design a new a little bigger pod.
What are the experiences?
Usually nose or tail heavier the Manta when it is ready?
I use lightest possible electronics for DLG and I'm always tail heavy (still learning how to build a light and strong tail).

Nose heavy is less of a problem because of the 1:4 ratio on the moment arm. Every 4 grams on the nose only need 1 gram on the tail to balance.

If possible, you might want to consider light weight electroincs to keel the all up weight down. To keep the weight down, I remove the RX case and replace the antenna wire with the thinnest metal wire I could find.
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Old Jul 29, 2008, 02:16 PM
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I think I leave this half with this weight, I don't want to make it too weak with more lightening holes, now it's strong enough.
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Old Jul 30, 2008, 09:26 AM
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Okkay, the other half of the wing is 59 gramms. The aileron is 13 gramms, so I make a new instead of the heavy one. With these the wing weight will be ~120 gramms and ~130 with the covering

I've made a boom during the night, (i never done it before) 3 layers of 25g/m2 glass and 4 carbon roving. It's 21 gramms.


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Old Jul 30, 2008, 11:18 AM
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Congraduations! That's a new record low for Manta wing weight.

Love that RDS for balsa DLG. Keep us posted on your progress.

Thanks,
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Old Jul 30, 2008, 03:03 PM
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Hi,

One wing is almost ready, the other is started.

Unfortunatelly it is a little heavier than I expected. It's 130 gr without carbon rowing; launch peg and covering. It will stop around 160-170g with servos, but its will be very strong, so I can launch it with full power .

For the next wing I will use lighter and thinner balsa

Maybe I will buy a small RX and smaller battery to keep the weight down. Next week Monday the pods will be ready from glass.

One of my acquaintance has a scheme to make one, end it looks great too.
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Old Jul 30, 2008, 03:13 PM
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What are your opinion?
May I lighter the end of the wing?
I mean cut holes into the wingtips like Smash did, than stick a thin carbonlayer on it. Maybe I can save a few grams on it...
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Old Jul 30, 2008, 03:56 PM
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Szevasz! (╔rtekezhetnÚnk az otthoni fˇrumon is!)

In my opinion You can make lightening holes into the wingtips, it won't be too weak, but You can save 7-8 gramms. I've measured my tips before/after.
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Old Jul 30, 2008, 10:30 PM
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That should be no problem. In Rendy's Manta, the wing tip is actually sheeted balsa like the regular Dbox. It's all hollow inside his wing tips although it looks like solid balsa from outside.
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Old Jul 31, 2008, 05:25 PM
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I've made the fuse, it's 21 gramms (2 layer 80 glass and one 25) and with the boom is ~45 gramms.

I'm thinkin about the RDS now.

On the weekend I go to an F3B competition so I won't able to work on the Manta
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Old Jul 31, 2008, 05:51 PM
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Can someone quickly explain RDS? Watching this thread w/interest and these last couple pictures threw me for a loop...
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Old Jul 31, 2008, 06:03 PM
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Hi!

Check these out:

http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/s...G2/sg2_rds.pdf

http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/s...SuperGeeII.htm
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Old Jul 31, 2008, 06:35 PM
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From the full size expert:

http://augiemckibben.tripod.com/site...ive_system.pdf


http://augiemckibben.tripod.com/site...hard_slots.pdf


John

Edit:

check out the rest of the pages for great build info.
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Old Jul 31, 2008, 08:09 PM
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Okay... RDS.. now it rings a bell. I knew I had heard of it before, but the photos above just threw me for a loop... expecially w/the servo arms still attached :P
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Old Aug 03, 2008, 07:06 AM
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From Russia with love :)

Hello, Can you please send me also the plans.This is my e-mail adress cyborg3d@mail.ru

Very nice plane!!!

Thanks you very much.

Aleks.

This is my QFII http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attac...mentid=1994042
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Old Aug 04, 2008, 02:59 AM
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That's a very nice and beautiful QFII with aileron. Have fun with you Manta project.

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