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Old Mar 07, 2007, 10:11 AM
jamesathomas@att.net
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FLIR for Thermal Detection

Look on the bright side. Maybe the damn thing will show some neat graphics or make some really cool sounds when the bozos that don't have the skill or take the time to learn to find a thermal on their own slam their planes into the ground at Mach 9 to nail the landing spot. Think of the heat that generates. Could be a whole new concept in landing for $$.

Jim Thomas
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Old Mar 07, 2007, 12:11 PM
Bill's Email
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Re: FLIR for Thermal Detection

My biggest concern is if it can tell the difference between a real
thermal and just the normal column of BS-generated hot air that rises
from the pits of most events!!!

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Old Mar 07, 2007, 12:11 PM
david.jensen@comcast.net
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Re: FLIR for Thermal Detection

This reminds me of last April 1st when someone posted on RC Groups a thread about his brother who was in Russia. He said he brother had gotten about a dozen Russian made military night vission goggles and when you turn up the gain you can see differences in air temp. As he put it " Dudes you can see thermals with these on your head". He said that his brother would be back in the states in 2 weeks and if anyone wants a set to let him know. Please note the date of the post.


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Doug McLaren <dougmc@frenzied.us>
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 07:04:01AM -0800, Bill's Email wrote:
>
> | "For gliders, we are going to have a multi-direction FLIR sensor. This
> | would give you a 360 degree scope of infrared heat energy, detecting the
> | hottest air (thermal). You could turn into the thermals as they appeared.
>
> I doubt this would work well at all.
>
> Just how warm is a thermal? When I feel one pass over over me, I'm
> guessing it's usually around 5-10 degrees F warmer. (Does the
> temperature difference get bigger or smaller as they get higher?)
>
> (I'm guessing that I'm not the only one who feels thermals walking out
> to check the mail, and then wishes he could be flying instead?)
>
> In any event, 5-10 degrees isn't very much. But it's enough, except
> that air doesn't really radiate IR terribly well. Yes, it does
> radiate IR, but not well. Not nearly as well as a solid body like a
> person or a vehicle.
>
> So, your sensor will be looking for a column of air, perhaps 5-10
> degrees F (?) warmer than the air around it, perhaps a few hundred
> feet away and less than that across. I'm guessing that unless this
> sensor is really sensitive (read: large, expensive) it won't be able
> to make it out. Maybe the very largest and hottest thermals might
> barely show up?
>
> And even if it did work, you'd have to watch the TV screen for the
> thermals, rather than watch your plane.
>
> What seems a lot more practical would be mouting three temperature
> sensors on your plane -- at the tips of the wings and the middle.
> Something very small so it can detect small changes in temperature
> very quickly (and since they'd be in the moving air, it should only
> take a few seconds.) The three temperatures would be transmitted back
> to the ground (perhaps via a telemetry channel), where a receiver
> would look for changes (either changes in all three sensors, or
> changes between the three) and would inform you of changes verbally
> (`thermal to left!' when the left sensor warms up and the other two
> don't. `In thermal!' when all sensors warm up, `Out of thermal' when
> all three sensors cool down, etc.) I question if it would be much
> better than just reading your plane visually, but it might be useful.
> But perhaps more importantly, it could be small and relatively cheap.
>
> | Anybody want to buy a Piccolario?? I am going for full 360 degree real
> | time VISUAL thermal detection!!
>
> Yes, I'll take your Piccolario
>
> (But I'd suggest waiting until Jim actually ships this thing, and it's
> proven to work.)
>
> | No stats on the size, weight or anything else about it.
>
> So far, Jim hasn't sold any R/C products at all that I'm aware of.
> He's given away a few battery packs, and apparantly he sold paintball
> stuff before, but for now he doesn't have much of a track record. But
> if he can pull off half of what he promises, that'll be very cool ...
>
> --
> Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us
> Go ahead and play the blues if it'll make you happy. --Homer Simpson
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Old Mar 07, 2007, 12:11 PM
Norm Timbs
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RE: FLIR for Thermal Detection

Old news guys.
Wurts has been wearing them for years.......
;-)
Norm
PBSS


-----Original Message-----
From: david.jensen@comcast.net [mailto:david.jensen@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:38 AM
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: Re: [RCSE] FLIR for Thermal Detection

This reminds me of last April 1st when someone posted on RC Groups a thread
about his brother who was in Russia. He said he brother had gotten about a
dozen Russian made military night vission goggles and when you turn up the
gain you can see differences in air temp. As he put it " Dudes you can see
thermals with these on your head". He said that his brother would be back
in the states in 2 weeks and if anyone wants a set to let him know. Please
note the date of the post.


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Old Mar 07, 2007, 12:11 PM
Karlton Spindle
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RE: FLIR for Thermal Detection

Yeah but he is genetically part Hawk Ever notice he wears no shoes
because its hard to find shoes that fit talon toes.

Smooth Sailing,
Karlton Spindle
(818) 279-1049
http://ld.net/101

-----Original Message-----
From: Norm Timbs [mailto:netimbs@aeromechengineering.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:48 AM
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: RE: [RCSE] FLIR for Thermal Detection

Old news guys.
Wurts has been wearing them for years.......
;-)
Norm
PBSS

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Old Mar 07, 2007, 02:11 PM
Pat McCleave
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Re: FLIR for Thermal Detection

Bill,

I can see it now, everybody will be circling over Gordy. We all know there is no better thermal generator than all the Hot Air he puts out.

See Ya,

Pat McCleave
Wichita, KS

---- Bill's Email <wemodels@cox.net> wrote:
> My biggest concern is if it can tell the difference between a real
> thermal and just the normal column of BS-generated hot air that rises
> from the pits of most events!!!
>
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Old Mar 07, 2007, 02:11 PM
James V. Bacus
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RE: FLIR for Thermal Detection

I can see it now... farting in front of the pilot (wearing FLIR
glasses) will bring along a visual with the smell.
;-)

http://digg.com/lbv.php?id=1343517&ord=1


Jim
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Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net

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Old Mar 07, 2007, 02:11 PM
Sheldon-YNT uDesign
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RE: FLIR for Thermal Detection

Somebody is DEFINITELY suffering withdrawal symptoms from not flying enough
and has waaaay too much time on their hands!!!

-Sheldon-

-----Original Message-----
From: James V. Bacus [mailto:jimbacus@jimbacus.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:57 PM
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: RE: [RCSE] FLIR for Thermal Detection

I can see it now... farting in front of the pilot (wearing FLIR
glasses) will bring along a visual with the smell.
;-)

http://digg.com/lbv.php?id=1343517&ord=1


Jim
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Old Mar 07, 2007, 04:11 PM
Jack Strother
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RE: FLIR for Thermal Detection

Thats Just Rong !!
SEG

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Jack Strother
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-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "James V. Bacus" <jimbacus@jimbacus.net>
> I can see it now... farting in front of the pilot (wearing FLIR
> glasses) will bring along a visual with the smell.
> ;-)
>
> http://digg.com/lbv.php?id=1343517&ord=1
>
>
> Jim
> Downers Grove, IL
> Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
> AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
>
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Old Mar 07, 2007, 04:11 PM
david.jensen@comcast.net
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RE: FLIR for Thermal Detection

Either that or it will blind him.



> I can see it now... farting in front of the pilot (wearing FLIR
> glasses) will bring along a visual with the smell.



> Jim
> Downers Grove, IL
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Old Mar 07, 2007, 10:12 PM
regis
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Re: FLIR for Thermal Detection

I see a niche market opening up here - jammers. Or confusers - like
chaff or flares. :-) Regis
--- In soaring@yahoogroups.com, Bill's Email <wemodels@...> wrote:
>
> So Jim Drew the guy who will be selling the XPS 2.4 GHz modules for
> apparently every radio ever made wrote this on RCG yesterday:
>
> Jim Drew wrote:
>
> "For gliders, we are going to have a multi-direction FLIR sensor.

This
> would give you a 360 degree scope of infrared heat energy,

detecting the
> hottest air (thermal). You could turn into the thermals as they

appeared.
>
> If anyone is a hunter, they might have seen the hand held units

that can
> detect heat from hundreds of yards away. Kind of cheating when deer
> hunting season roles around, but there is no guessing where the

deer
> are. Kind of a fish finder for the forest. The same concept is used

in
> FLIR sensors."
>
> Here is the link:
> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=6835
>
> Anybody want to buy a Piccolario?? I am going for full 360 degree

real
> time VISUAL thermal detection!!
>
> No stats on the size, weight or anything else about it.
>
>


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Old Mar 08, 2007, 12:11 PM
Jeff Steifel
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Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: RE: FLIR for Thermal Detection

You weren't kidding about the Talon toes... At the F3J worlds 2 cycles
ago... Kiesling told the story about how he fell before working time
started and the towers started towing (thinking he kicked) .. about 6
seconds I think b4 working time... Joe's TALONS dug in to hold on .... I
had a visual picture in my mind... first of holding past 3 seconds ...
then of him digging in...



Karlton Spindle wrote:
> Yeah but he is genetically part Hawk Ever notice he wears no shoes
> because its hard to find shoes that fit talon toes.
>
> Smooth Sailing,
> Karlton Spindle
> (818) 279-1049
> http://ld.net/101
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norm Timbs [mailto:netimbs@aeromechengineering.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:48 AM
> To: soaring@airage.com
> Subject: RE: [RCSE] FLIR for Thermal Detection
>
> Old news guys.
> Wurts has been wearing them for years.......
> ;-)
> Norm
> PBSS
>
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>


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Old Mar 08, 2007, 04:11 PM
John Roe
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RE: FLIR for Thermal Detection

"I see haze domes"

jr

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