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Old Oct 07, 2002, 08:21 AM
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Help with number of winds for cd-rom motor.

I have got an old cd-rom drive, and would like to make my own brushless motor, but I need some help in determining the number of winds I will need.

The cd-rom motor has nine poles.
My power source will be 2 Li-ion cells (7.2V - 750mAh)
I would like to swing a 6.9 x 6.3 prop at max. 2A (full throttle).

I would prefer direct drive if possible.
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Old Oct 07, 2002, 09:01 AM
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9 pole CD ROM motor is fairly typical (in my experience). Swinging that size of a prop direct (that pitch is pretty steep), I would start with about 20 turns, measure current and then adjust accordingly (less winds = more current).

Others with more experience will probably be better able to zero in on the correct number.

Good luck!

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Old Oct 07, 2002, 09:10 AM
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are there any tutorials on how t od othis? I have become quite fascinated lately over this, and when I was a boy, used ot make motors from paperclips, etc, so have some exerience in the matter.
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Old Oct 07, 2002, 09:44 AM
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Not a tutorial, but TONS of info if you read through every page(there are 54 of them to date) and pick out all the good bits.

Home made Brushless: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...threadid=37545
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Old Oct 07, 2002, 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by senor_paco
... are there any tutorials on how t od othis?...
E-mail discussion group on homebuilding brushless outrunners, lrk and cd-rom types:
www.yahoogroups.com/group/lrk-torquemax

Motor winding 'rules':
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...threadid=65245

A winding diagram (star-Y configuration) for a 9-pole cd-rom motor:



A winding diagram for a 6-pole motor (4 or 8 magnetpoles, not a true lrk):
www.yahoogroups.com/group/lrk-torquemax
-> photos
-> winding diagram
The picture is for instruction purposes only, it's not a 'live' motor, too few windings and too thick insulation.

Please keep in mind, a rewound cd-rom motor and also the so called 'mini lrk' are *not* true lrk's, they are fundamentally different. CD-rom motors are classic 'synchronous self (ok.the controller does this ;-) commutating motors. LRK type motors use the lrk/sps winding diagram, only half the armature teeth are wound! Both use the standard brushless controllers.
See:
http://www.aerodesign.de/peter/ (English and German)

So, the lrk winding calculation tools are not applicable for cd-rom motors. There are so many different cd-rom makes and types, it's impossible to come up with a 'catch all' formula. You have to experiment with the number of windings. Use a current limited power supply!

More cd-rom technical information and links here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lrk-torquemax/message/842

Threads on cd-rom motors:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...threadid=44427
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...threadid=37545
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...threadid=34755

And of course the lrk/cd-rom outrunner discussion, moderated by yours truly
www.yahoogroups.com/group/lrk-torquemax
You'll find a Frequently Asked Questions document on that site. I'm working on a newer version with more tricks and cd-rom links, just send me a message at ron-van-sommeren@hetnet-nl if you would like to receive a copy. Replace the '-' in my adres with '.'

More threads:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...threadid=62900

On the homepage you'll find the most important links, the FAQ has lots more. Check out the 'photos' section there.
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Old Oct 07, 2002, 01:45 PM
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As Steve said, you have to experiment with your particular motor. Each one has different stator sizes and magnet strength. You could start with the windings it has now with that prop and check the current. It could be close to 2A already.
If it is a typical 52X CD-ROM somewhere around 30 winds would be typical. If you start with too few winds, you might overload the controller.

Rick.
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