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Old Oct 25, 2009, 10:16 AM
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I installed pitch and roll gyros in the Wild Hawk I am building. Tomorrow I hope to put it all together and paint it.
Good luck, you should have some fun tweeking on that.
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Old Oct 25, 2009, 10:21 AM
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Good luck, you should have some fun tweeking on that.
I have done it before on other planes. It works great. I could literally fly a 18 ounce foamy in 20 mph winds and fly it into the head wind, lay the radio on the ground and it would fly straight and level. Pretty friggin' amazing. It won't defy the effects of wind gusts but it sure as heck makes it easier to fly and expands the number of flyable days. I built this for a down looking video camera mounted in the enlarged cargo bay. Steady video is easier on the viewer than unsteady video.
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Old Oct 25, 2009, 02:53 PM
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I have done it before on other planes. It works great. I could literally fly a 18 ounce foamy in 20 mph winds and fly it into the head wind, lay the radio on the ground and it would fly straight and level. Pretty friggin' amazing. It won't defy the effects of wind gusts but it sure as heck makes it easier to fly and expands the number of flyable days. I built this for a down looking video camera mounted in the enlarged cargo bay. Steady video is easier on the viewer than unsteady video.
That's what my buddy needs for his P-51 and J-3 Cub planes. They're both very hard to fly. Neither of us has had any kind of success getting them launched. But a lot of that has to do with where we launch our airplanes. What we need to is take off from a solid surface instead of a rough grassy area.

The P-51 takes off then just rolls over on its left side. We need to put a horizontal stabalizer on that one. The J-Cub? I dunno.
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Old Oct 25, 2009, 02:57 PM
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Forgot to mention. I fly my Hawk in some pretty windy weather with no problems. I'm comfortable on a windy day where Tom isn't. But I wouldn't want to try to fly his P-51 or J-3 in that kind of weather. Even Dave Powers has a hard time controlling the P-51. It tends to glitch suddenly. He don't know why. Probably crummy radio that comes with it. It's probably why it tends to roll over after lift off cause it suddenly rolls over to the right and lands nose 1st.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 11:38 AM
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3D flying

Just out of curiosity. Has anyone here flown their hawk and made it hover? I know it won't stock. I just bought a Radian and out of the box it will hover easily. I've never done that before and hate to bang up my hawk trying something new. (make that, stupid)
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 11:40 AM
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Just out of curiosity. Has anyone here flown their hawk and made it hover? I know it won't stock. I just bought a Radian and out of the box it will hover easily. I've never done that before and hate to bang up my hawk trying something new. (make that, stupid)
Hmm, that would be a trick. With very little prop wash over the control surfaces (wing, rudder and elevator) that would be hard to do.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 12:13 PM
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Not to mention the off-centerline thrust.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 01:54 PM
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Hooo-hooo-hooo boy, if Jurgen finds us all here, WE'RE DEAD!!!!!!

Whassup, Gene, Van, AJ, Oldguy???

I got my Super Lightning on Friday. Haven't done anything but look at it, but it should make a fun plane! I'm planning on using it as a back-up to my EZ.

Here are some mods I can already see making:

- brusheless motor, obviously
- put some rare-earth magnets in the wings to hold them together
- split the fuse and dremel out some of that foam in the fuselage to make room for the lipo and whatever else.
- rudder mod?
- double-check glue on spar covers
- longer spar?
- cf rod down tail boom
- reinforce tail
- extreme packing tape for most of the fuselage, and wings
- don't use the stock landing gear (front or tail)
- evaluate fuselage for FPV gear placement
- check to see if any of the EZ wings (stock or glider) will fit

Now, don't I sound like I really know what I'm doing??? ha ha. This is gonna be fun!!

Bob
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 02:14 PM
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Here are some mods I can already see making:

- brusheless motor, obviously
- put some rare-earth magnets in the wings to hold them together
- split the fuse and dremel out some of that foam in the fuselage to make room for the lipo and whatever else.
- rudder mod?
- double-check glue on spar covers
- longer spar?
- cf rod down tail boom
- reinforce tail
- extreme packing tape for most of the fuselage, and wings
- don't use the stock landing gear (front or tail)
- evaluate fuselage for FPV gear placement
- check to see if any of the EZ wings (stock or glider) will fit

Now, don't I sound like I really know what I'm doing??? ha ha. This is gonna be fun!!

Bob
Dang! I didn't know they made this version. I looked up Hobby People and they sell it as "The super lightening" PNP. So your kit probably doesn't have the 3 channel radio ours does.

You might want to add some ailerons to it for better flying control. Just make sure you have at least a 4 channel rig. 6 would be better but I'm doing just fine with a 27 MH 4 channel rig from RCS-Sport.com (no uppercase, BTW) I think you get a TX/RX 3 or 4 servos, ESC and 9V battery for $49.

I also upgraded to an Outrunner kit from Grayson Hobby. $39.95 for motor and 30 AMP ESC.

I think the best thing to do for your wings would be to use 4-6 MM CF flat stock. Much stronger and ridged than round.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 02:20 PM
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Dang! I didn't know they made this version. I looked up Hobby People and they sell it as "The super lightening" PNP. So your kit probably doesn't have the 3 channel radio ours does.

You might want to add some ailerons to it for better flying control. Just make sure you have at least a 4 channel rig. 6 would be better but I'm doing just fine with a 27 MH 4 channel rig from RCS-Sport.com (no uppercase, BTW) I think you get a TX/RX 3 or 4 servos, ESC and 9V battery for $49.

I also upgraded to an Outrunner kit from Grayson Hobby. $39.95 for motor and 30 AMP ESC.

I think the best thing to do for your wings would be to use 4-6 MM CF flat stock. Much stronger and ridged than round.
Thanks, Russ! I've got a DX7, and I'm pretty sure I've got enough odds and ends laying around to get the WH in the air! But I have a lot to learn from you WH experts, so I'm all ears!!

Bob
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 02:51 PM
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Hooo-hooo-hooo boy, if Jurgen finds us all here, WE'RE DEAD!!!!!!
HAHAHA you are so funny , and so right

Welcome to this side of RCG
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 02:52 PM
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Dang! I didn't know they made this version. I looked up Hobby People and they sell it as "The super lightening" PNP. So your kit probably doesn't have the 3 channel radio ours does.
It is exactly the same, except the branding. The colors are almost identical.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 04:00 PM
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Hooo-hooo-hooo boy, if Jurgen finds us all here, WE'RE DEAD!!!!!!

Whassup, Gene, Van, AJ, Oldguy???

I got my Super Lightning on Friday. Haven't done anything but look at it, but it should make a fun plane! I'm planning on using it as a back-up to my EZ.

Here are some mods I can already see making:

- cf rod down tail boom
....
- reinforce tail
....


Bob
I would be careful about adding too much weight to the tail of a WH -- WHs are naturally tail heavy. Keep in mind that the tail is a long way off from the CG and only a little weight on the tail moves the CG quite a bit. Also, keep in mind that I have not read much about the tail or the tail boom of the WH breaking! I strengthened the boom and the horizontal stab for stiffening purposes only to remove it due to the added weight required in the nose to compensate. Remember, the more the plane weighs, the more power (battery) that will be required to move it.

However, after saying watch out, I would increase the rudder and the elevator with lightweight polystyrene foam (depron or equivalent). I think you will want the extra maneuverability. I used the bottom of meat trays from Wal-Mart and butt epoxied them to the existing rudder/elevator. I also added a small amount of packing tape to the elevator to secure the hinges ... or ... you can replace the hinges outright.

What motor/ESC/battery do you plan to use?


Gene
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 07:06 PM
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I would be careful about adding too much weight to the tail of a WH -- WHs are naturally tail heavy. Keep in mind that the tail is a long way off from the CG and only a little weight on the tail moves the CG quite a bit. Also, keep in mind that I have not read much about the tail or the tail boom of the WH breaking! I strengthened the boom and the horizontal stab for stiffening purposes only to remove it due to the added weight required in the nose to compensate. Remember, the more the plane weighs, the more power (battery) that will be required to move it.

However, after saying watch out, I would increase the rudder and the elevator with lightweight polystyrene foam (depron or equivalent). I think you will want the extra maneuverability. I used the bottom of meat trays from Wal-Mart and butt epoxied them to the existing rudder/elevator. I also added a small amount of packing tape to the elevator to secure the hinges ... or ... you can replace the hinges outright.

What motor/ESC/battery do you plan to use?


Gene
Hey, Gene

I'd probably just use strapping tape to reinforce the underside of the horiz. stab, to keep it from flexing upward. Agreed, the CF rod would make it tail heavy. Extreme packing tape would probably be the better choice there too.

On the motor, I'm thinking of the Hobby City Turnigy 2835 brushless inrunner, 2200kv, with a turnigy 30-amp esc, and a 6x4 prop. This is pretty much the standard setup for Easy Stars these days, and should work pretty well on it's red-winged cousin!

Bob
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 07:08 PM
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Does anyone know of a good way to split the fuselage open without damaging it? I've heard that they're glued together, and I've also heard that they're taped together.

Any way to open it up without problems?

Thanks
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