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Old Dec 05, 2006, 09:22 AM
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e-flight calculators (compilation)

I will compile the calculators mentioned in this thread, in this first message. Please post broken/old/rotten links so I can fix them.
  1. Motor Data
    Test bench data for several hundred brushless motors.
    www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=966298
  2. APC propeller performance data
    www.apcprop.com/v/downloads/PERFILES_WEB/datalist.asp
  3. Flybrushless prop database
    www.flybrushless.com/prop/search
  4. Aeronaut, APC & Slowflyprop
    www.torcman.de/index_e.htm

    -> TM Configurator
    -> Aeronaut, APC & Slowflyprop tabs
  5. Drive Calculator
    Christian Persson/Helmut Schenk, English & German, Windows/Mac/Linux
    www.drivecalc.de
    Download, discussion, help, announcements, moderated by yours truly
    www.yahoogroups.com/group/D-calc
  6. Propellor Calculator
    Helmut Schenk, English & German
    www.drivecalc.de
    -> propellor calculator (bottom of page)
  7. MM_calc
    Louis Fourdan, English
    electrofly.free.fr
    -> téléchargements (link at top of page)
    -> moteurs
    -> MM_calc
    -> English or French version
    Help/discussion/announcements/bug-reports/pats-on-shoulder:
    www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583327
  8. MM_Calc derivatives
    All 6 are on rep. websites and/or RC-Groups + electrofly.free.fr
  9. Measuring motor power without standard props, by running the motor with a calibrated "stick" fitted in place of the propeller prop:
    www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1077012
  10. eCalc
    propCalc, xcopterCalc, fanCalc, heliCalc
    www.ecalc.ch (English & German)
    xcopterCalc tutorial
    www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2101447
    propCalc tutarial
    plane.ardupilot.com/wiki/ecalc-motor-and-prop-efficiency-guide
  11. User yomgui's calculator/optimizer, Excel based
    aerotrash.over-blog.com/pages/Tetacalc_Electric_propulsion_calculator-6330077.html
    www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=606703&page=8&pp=10#post21370664
  12. Motocalc (€/$)
    www.motocalc.com
  13. Elektro-Antrieb (German only, (€/$)
    www.geck-elektroantrieb.de
  14. P-calc
    brantuas.com/ezcalc/dma1.asp
  15. E-Calc
    www.slkelectronics.com/ecalc/index.htm
  16. Mumtats, user vintage1
    www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233250
  17. user Rod Badcock's thrust-, prop- and motor-calculators
    www.badcock.net
  18. WebOcalc and PowerCalc (Free Open Source Software)
    flbeagle.rchomepage.com
    -> software
    Help/discussion/announcements/bug-reports/pats-on-shoulder:
    www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=930018
  19. Adam One Motor/Prop calculator (freeware)
    www.adamone.rchomepage.com/calc_motor.htm
  20. Thrust calculator (freeware)
    www.lcrcc.net/thrust_calc.htm
  21. Thrust calculator (freeware)
    www.gobrushless.com/testing/thrust_calculator.php
  22. Prof. Mark Drela's prop calculator
    web.mit.edu/drela/Public/web/qprop
  23. Jim Banner's (user jrb) calculator
    www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=1621267
  24. The math behind calculators and motors:
    www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185271
  25. PropEngine, Jim Kitt a.k.a. Aeroplayin - RCG
    Power Systems for Extreme Flight Fanatics! - RCG
    rcwebclub.com/PropEngine.aspx
    www.rcwebclub.com/Portals/1/How_to_Use_PropEngine_09172013.pdf

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Old Dec 05, 2006, 09:48 AM
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http://www.lcrcc.net/thrust_calc.htm
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Old Dec 06, 2006, 02:20 PM
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Here is another one for thrust/rpm: http://www.gobrushless.com/testing/t...calculator.php

and another estimator: http://www.adamone.rchomepage.com/calc_motor.htm
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Old Dec 19, 2007, 11:36 AM
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Brand dedicated Motor Calc

Hi

In the serie you have
MM_Calc (see Ron post #1) on electrofly
You have the cousins in any order
1) Scorpion Calc www.scorpionsystem.com
here v3.62 (25 sept 2014) : http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=736782
SC v4 beta with plane wizard : http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1388429
2) Dualsky Calc v3.24 04 march 2013
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...0#post12693433
3) MotrolFly Calc 2.36 http://www.subsonicplanes.com april 2009
4) ARC Calc http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...819392&page=25 post #373 pg 25
5) Aero-nuts Calc http://www.aero-nuts.com
6) Himax Calc http://www.maxxprod.com/
All 6 are on rep. websites and/or RC-Groups + electrofly
I update regularly

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Old Dec 19, 2007, 01:34 PM
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Here's my spreadsheet (have EDF version too); its helped me with these and others:
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Old Dec 29, 2007, 01:52 PM
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Prof. Drela has recently released a windows version of QPORP, his motor/prop analysis software. I've found it much better at predictions and efficiency calcs, since it uses a much more advanced prop model (not just thrust coefficients). Here's an exerpt of the manual:

QPROP is an analysis program for predicting the performance
of propeller-motor combinations. Its intent is to provide
an alternative to the existing prop/motor simulation programs,
which use relatively simple propeller models, and assume
a brushed DC motor type. QPROP has a relatively sophisticated
and accurate prop aerodynamic model, and a general motor model
which can be implemented via a user-supplied subroutine
if necessary.

It's a little more complex than motocalc, but pretty simple to use once you climb the learning curve.

http://web.mit.edu/drela/Public/web/qprop/
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Eagle Tree Spreadsheet

i rigged up this spreadsheet for use with my eagle tree micro logger (with temp and rpm expanders):

Excel Spreadsheet (freeware)
Example Spreadsheet (freeware)

it supports quick & simple copy/paste operation directly from the eagle tree software, and outputs thrust, efficiency, kV, Io, Rm, max efficiency, max power, pitch speed... pretty much everything. for kicks i included standard deviations for every number.

it is based on rod badcock's spreadsheet (see post #1), and includes a few other calculations based on these equations. keep in mind it's in beta stage at the moment, and i'm not 100% sure if it'll work with pre o2k3 excel. the example sheet shows what it looks like with all the data entered from a bench test i did on a custom bluewonder.

just like badcock's spreadsheet, both of these spreadsheets include macros, so you may have to modify your security settings for them to work properly.

kev

[edit: i just found an error in the spreadsheet which will cause it to be inaccurate if the logger is set to record temperature in farenheit. it works perfectly with the logger set to celcius. i'm working on a temperature unit selector, but until i update use celsius please.]
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Nice converter program:
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www.RCadvisor.com - new free model airplane calculator

My new free online calculator (www.RCadvisor.com):
  • designs efficient electric power systems
  • teaches you using interactive Tutorials and ToolTips
  • flies your model in a virtual wind tunnel
  • predicts airfoil performance
  • shows you the right tradeoffs for your scale model
  • displays graphs that update in real-time
  • runs on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X
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Old Mar 28, 2008, 12:06 AM
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My calculator (www.RCAdvisor.com) includes the estimated Climb Rate. The Climb Angle seemed less useful. I don't provide feet/minute (easy to add), but I have MPH and feet/second among other units.
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Old Jul 09, 2009, 05:45 PM
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Measuring motor power output using a calibrated dummy prop:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1077012

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I'm in the process of moving all my "freeware", including MotorXLT2 and TurnCalculator3, to my blog for easier maintenance. Here's the link:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...44#post8108089

Note that I recently updated MotorXLT2 with my latest version, which includes calculations based on up to 4-props and no-load. This makes the calculations much more accurate. I also made the no-load page more "printer/screen grab" friendly, for easy posting of test results. Unfortunately, I still haven't got around to making a temperature unit selector, so you'll have to record temps in Celsius.

A general tip to those who benchmark:
Just like any other motor constant calculator, when setting up a series of tests you need to avoid using 2 props that are nearly identical (with respect to RPM, A, and V). Use of similar props often leads to inaccurate calculations of Rm, Kv, and Io. An example of this would be the apc5x5e and apc5.5x4.5e. While they fly very differently, both will give nearly identical RPM and current on the bench, which will confuse a motor calculator.

Cheers,
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron van Sommeren
Measuring motor resistance without standard props, by using a dummy prop:
Post 11

Should read "measuring motor power output using a calibrated dummy prop".
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 04:14 PM
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Brainfart Thank you Peter, I corrected it.

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What cracks me up about a lot of these calculators is they only have very expensive brands of components in the database.

Its like an advertisement. Nowadays things are great for the consumer, i've found some amazing good deals on very well engineered power systems, at about 1/10 the cost of hackers, scorpions, etc...certainly in the same performance ballpark at least.
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