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Old Nov 02, 2006, 11:00 PM
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that's one reason that i'm not in the earlybird
the cost is higher than sitting and waiting forever to get it at the normal price
good thing i'm patient
i expect the P-38 to only be here next year
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Old Nov 02, 2006, 11:04 PM
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I've been told by boss that the first version of P-40 would be Formosa I size, slightly bigger than GWS P-51D or Spitfire.

Chen
SUPER! Bring it on!

BTW, I've not jumed in on any of the early bird offerings because of the exhorbitant shipping costs! Quite honestly, I think the early birds are performing a valuable service to GWS in the things they find, modify, and report here. GWS would be wise to eat some or most of the shipping costs in return for services rendered IMHO You might want to limit the number of kits offered in this way, but it's only fair considering they often have incomplete documentation and have to improvise.

Keep the new kits coming!
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Old Nov 02, 2006, 11:23 PM
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Yeah, that was my thinking too. If we are paying the shipping premium, I think we should at least get them at dealer cost, and not full retail. Heck, even the NPS GWS-38 can be had for $45.

We are doing GWS a service, and we should be compensated at least a little. I'll most likely skip this one, but I am still eyeing the U-2 or A-4.

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Old Nov 02, 2006, 11:38 PM
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Yeah, I forsee GWS losing many dedicated earlybirds because of the high premiums. There has to be a way to give a slightly discounted price for all the feedback and bug testing many of the earlybirds do.

Good suggestion, but we'll see how GWS responds.

-Chris
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Old Nov 03, 2006, 12:15 AM
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Yeah, I forsee GWS losing many dedicated earlybirds because of the high premiums. There has to be a way to give a slightly discounted price for all the feedback and bug testing many of the earlybirds do.

Good suggestion, but we'll see how GWS responds.

-Chris

I totally agree. Also, do they send the decals to us when they become available? If not, then it is a bum deal.

Do you hear that, Mr. Chen?

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Old Nov 03, 2006, 12:22 AM
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Well I'm not bashing on them, I am just stating my concern. I really don't care too much about the decals if it saves me $10 or more if a discount is given.

Chen does a good job here, they are the ones who pass our words onto Mr. Lin.

-Chris
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Old Nov 03, 2006, 12:28 AM
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Same here, not bashing, just think we shouldn't have to pay full retail for a first run, incomplete kit (GWS-38 did not have a manual). I made the same comments on my GWS-38 build thread.

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Old Nov 03, 2006, 01:56 AM
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Hello Guys,

I also ordered the EDF64-300H Version today. I will start with it and than I think about to upgrade it to brushless About the decals I hope also that GWS provide us earlybirdmembers with them as soon as the are aviable In other case I will paint it (much work but looking in a perfect scale way ). If the Slopgliderversion is aviable in the LHS's I am sure I will buy one and I plan to make my own nacelles (more scale like) and spent them some Wemotec EDF's

Greetings from vienna

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Old Nov 03, 2006, 02:24 AM
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I think I might pass on this early bird. Did the math and realized what it's going to cost to do brushless power on the 262. Just finished a P-38 and am converting it to brushless (and watching $$$ fly out of my pocket doing it )

Will sleep on it tonight and decide tomorrow
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Old Nov 03, 2006, 04:45 AM
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I'm with others here. Expecting the earlybirds to pay the full price for an incomplete beta version of the kit which is actually helping GWS to iron out any problems seems a bit rich for a man even for a man with the outstanding optimism of Mr Lin. Not for me thanks, I'll wait. Unfortunately I think there are enough "must have at any cost" guys that Mr Lin will get away with this gentle rip-off.

As it happens I also think that GWS has made a mistake in selecting a size of fan that requires obviously non scale nacelles. It would have been perfectly possible with todays b/l and lipo technology to have got excellent performance out of 55's. I hope GWS come up with an optional set of smaller nacelles for those of us who would prefer to fit b/l EDF55's.
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Old Nov 03, 2006, 04:52 AM
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As it happens I also think that GWS has made a mistake in selecting a size of fan that requires obviously non scale nacelles. It would have been perfectly possible with todays b/l and lipo technology to have got excellent performance out of 55's. I hope GWS come up with an optional set of smaller nacelles for those of us who would prefer to fit b/l EDF55's.
And the modellers who don't want to go brushless shouldn't get the chance to fly that wonderful model

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Old Nov 03, 2006, 06:11 AM
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Rudi I'm only suggesting buyers are offered a choice. THe stock kit could include the big nacelles but I'd like to be able to buy smaller (more scale) ones for either EDF 55 or for PSS
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Old Nov 03, 2006, 06:31 AM
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Hi Friends,

I'll try to keep boss well informed of your words.

The manual in English will be published on GWS web site or this site as soon as possible.

I've today discussed the decal issue with Ray and another colleagues. Probably, the Me-109 one would be used instead if
it is in a hurry.

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Old Nov 03, 2006, 07:12 AM
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Ray & Chen, are you saying the video was of the 262 with the 3900Kv motor on the GWS batteries, and it was producing around 550g thrust sustained with 630 grams thrust initial peak??

If so then the airframe is quite slippery huh! Imagine what it will do with the EDF64 setup I sell for the Su27 flanker in Australia, 850 grams thrust at 30 amps using one 3s2200 20c battery!!

OR, my testing of the GWS motor on 4 cells was giving 600 grams thrust PER FAN at 17 amps, so 32 amps sagged, 4s2200 20c, and around 1.1kg thrust!! Additional weight to the plane maybe 100 grams max in battery...

This will be fun!
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Old Nov 03, 2006, 08:50 AM
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Ray & Chen, are you saying the video was of the 262 with the 3900Kv motor on the GWS batteries, and it was producing around 550g thrust sustained with 630 grams thrust initial peak??

If so then the airframe is quite slippery huh! Imagine what it will do with the EDF64 setup I sell for the Su27 flanker in Australia, 850 grams thrust at 30 amps using one 3s2200 20c battery!!

OR, my testing of the GWS motor on 4 cells was giving 600 grams thrust PER FAN at 17 amps, so 32 amps sagged, 4s2200 20c, and around 1.1kg thrust!! Additional weight to the plane maybe 100 grams max in battery...

This will be fun!

How much do you charge for an EDF55 and a EDF64? I think it would be great for another project I am about to start on.

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