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Old Aug 29, 2006, 05:55 PM
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Need help with jet turbine for school project

Hi,

I am a student at USC and we are starting a project called LLPV (Lunar Lander Prototype Vehicle) similar to the one used in the Apollo missions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LLRV.

Our goal is to build a small model using a minature jet turbine and run trajectory exercies with them in preparation for our return to the moon within the next decade.

I am responsible for the primary propulsion system and we have already determine to use a small jet turbine. I have no hands on experience with one but only have studied how it works.

Is there any websites you can point me to to learn about minature jet turbines use in the RC world. Or better yet, is there any local Jet clubs in the LA area where i can go and take a look at an actual jet and ask some questions?

Thanks
Jason
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Start out by looking for a Jet related RC club at the AMA website www.modelaircraft.org There is a club locator page. Search the page for Calif by the first 3 digits of your zip code. (fastest way I know to find nearby clubs) I would be VERY suprised if there's less than 3 RC clubs with members flying turbines near LA.

Every modeler who flys turbine powered models that I have talked with has been VERY glad to talk about "his toy"

If no club specifies they have jets on the AMA site... contact the nearest club and they should be able to point out one that does involve the turbine models.

You can also contact the manufacturers of the turbine engines made for RC models. They used to provode classes for turbine buyers in how to safely operate thier products (used to be required to take a manufacurer's class to get the "turbine waiver" for the AMA)

Check the AMA website regarding the requirements for the Turbine Waiver... there is good information there.

And.. I am certain that a few of the guys who actually operate the turbines will speak up here.
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Old Aug 31, 2006, 04:36 AM
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Hi,

I am a student at USC and we are starting a project called LLPV (Lunar Lander Prototype Vehicle) similar to the one used in the Apollo missions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LLRV.

Our goal is to build a small model using a minature jet turbine and run trajectory exercies with them in preparation for our return to the moon within the next decade.

I am responsible for the primary propulsion system and we have already determine to use a small jet turbine. I have no hands on experience with one but only have studied how it works.

Is there any websites you can point me to to learn about minature jet turbines use in the RC world. Or better yet, is there any local Jet clubs in the LA area where i can go and take a look at an actual jet and ask some questions?

Thanks
Jason
hi there sounds like youve been dropped in the deep end!
check out wren turbines $ www.wrenturbines.co.uk
if you cant be bothered making the bits you'll need, you can get whatever you need from them as well
the gtba is very useful as well, id get some plans from wren build a kit, or make it yourself, you'll learn much more and with some paitence you'll probably end up the resident gas turbine/jet engine expert on campus. good luck
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Old Sep 02, 2006, 12:08 AM
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Here is one guy that has built something close to the flying bedstead... lots of info on VTO... the RIG
http://www.corpcomp.com/weeks1/
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Old Sep 02, 2006, 12:12 AM
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Here is a list of some guys that fly turbine aircraft in CA.

2006 AMA Turbine Waiver Holders
As of August 31, 2006 - Sorted by State/City
**Waiver holders with "Fixed" CD status may sign fixed wing turbine applications only.
Last Name First Name
Waiver
Number* State City
AMA
Number
CD
Status**
ANDERSON DOUG 7420 CA ANAHEIM 759684
PIGNERI PAUL 4760 CA ANAHEIM 726961
FALCONER KENNY 6870 CA BAKERSFIELD 5799 Fixed
REED SCOTT
3950
RW 550 CA BIG BEAR LAKE 210819
LYONS STAN 5480 CA BRENTWOOD 28405
SILZ KENNETH 12090 CA BRENTWOOD 156860
MAZE SPENCER 2800 CA CALABASAS 276181
PEREZ EDDY 5370 CA CANYON COUNTRY 652469
RAGDE JORGE 6550 CA CANYON COUNTRY AIRWORLD
MATTINGLY DAVID 7200 CA CARLSBAD L413
GAMBETTI KEVIN 6620 CA CASTRO VALLEY 1527
ENGSTROM RONALD 11580 CA CHICO 609775
MCSPADDEN KEN 12390 CA CHINO 306457
KRUL RANDY 5190 CA CONCORD 61334
KRUMES RICK
12970
RW 590 CA CORONA 776495
WERNER RONALD 5570 CA CORONA 58421
EARNEST JOHN 5030 CA CORONA DEL MAR 493339
MILLS ROY 310 CA CORONA DEL MAR 421721
MCBRIDE JOSEPH 10910 CA DANA PT 665282
WOODWARD STEPHEN 5520 CA DANVILLE 62194
CACERES RODOLFO 11640 CA DISCOVERY BAY 217841
POWELL JACOBY 3910 CA EL CAJON 450590
LEDERER MICHAEL 6630 CA ENCINO 268489
LINDSAY WALTER 7220 CA ESCONDIDO 580574
PATEL SHAILESH 520 CA EUREKA 77443
PATEL NIL 6440 CA EUREKA 674096
AVILLA DANIEL 6050 CA FAIRFIELD 131506
RAWLINGS TONY RW 335 CA FOOTHILL RANCH 797152
HOLDER EDWARD 12890 CA FRESNO 3767
ORITO JOHN 2140 CA FRESNO 627020
TAYLOR MARK 10890 CA FRESNO 6332 All
WAGNER KENDALL 1150 CA FULLERTON 82972 Fixed
ARABIAN VAHE 12620 CA GLENDALE 734177
VILLEDA RAFAEL 12650 CA HAYWARD 739027
PRESTA DAVID 3890 CA HOLLISTER 170455 Fixed
NGHIEM DANIEL 4460 CA HUNINGTON BEACH 410942
ANDERSON DORIAN 1250 CA INGLEWOOD 39701
LIN MIKE 12520 CA IRVINE 721673
THOMSON MICHAEL 2470 CA IRVINE 311303
GREGORIAN GREG 7290 CA LA CRESCENTA 143584
DREVER J 5060 CA LAGUNA BCH 41330
FABER BRUCE 2780 CA LAGUNA HILLS 382038
WOLFE LARRY 190 CA LAKEWOOD 8349 All
OTTING DONNIE 5450 CA LIVERMORE 116050
JOW RICK RW 690 CA LOS ALTOS 67023
DERHACOPIAN RON 7510 CA LOS ANGELES 530281
SOUFER DAVID 650 CA LOS ANGELES 680751
* Represents RC fixed wing model with production/kit engine unless otherwise noted.
RW = rotary wing, HB = homebuilt, CL = control line Page 2 of 21
2006 AMA Turbine Waiver Holders
As of August 31, 2006 - Sorted by State/City
**Waiver holders with "Fixed" CD status may sign fixed wing turbine applications only.
Last Name First Name
Waiver
Number* State City
AMA
Number
CD
Status**
VILLASENOR JORGE 12290 CA LOS ANGELES 735425
WINTER CHARLES 7670 CA MERCED 31679 Fixed
MONGIELLO JAMES 3510 CA MONTE SERENO 535293
JOEBSTL JOSEF RW 120 CA MOORE PARK 508079
ALJANDALI EHAB 440 CA MORGAN HILL 677128
PHILLIPS DAVE 5670 CA MURRIETA 587994
WENDEL BRIAN 6520 CA MURRIETA 686733
COOK WAYNE 5390 CA NEWARK 50151
KEITH RON RW 505 CA NORCO 830558
PAKFAR JASON 5410 CA NORHTRIDGE 9686 Fixed
KELLEY JOSEPH 11910 CA NORTH HOLLYWOOD 581959
MALO WILLIAM 12310 CA NORTHRIDGE 76535
MARTINEZ GONZALO RW 580 CA NOVATO 615635
WALDRON GARY 8030 CA OAK HILLS 576174
CARROLL MATTHEW 2740 CA OAK PARK 541397
WEXLER LOWELL 3850 CA OCEANSIDE 1506 Fixed
DAMBROSIO MARK 12000 CA ORANGE 737928
FUENTE DENNIS 4610 CA PACIFICA 158900
DELLAQUILA REGGIE 4130 CA PALO ALTO 378819
NOGY L KENT
320
RW 190 CA PASO ROBLES 3252 All
CONVERY ROBERT 5180 CA PLEASANTON 11769
COSENTINO GARY 13230 CA QUARTZ HILL 479488
BRUNDLE BILL 4160 CA RAMONA 345966
REYES CARLOS 11510 CA RANCHO CORDOVA 324799
CASTELAO JOSEPH 11530 CA RANCHO PALOS VERDES 531345
FINCH JAMES 1480 CA REDDING 583196
COLE PHILIP RW 100 CA REDWOOD CITY 619626
BURG JASON 12330 CA RESEDA 600057
DAWSON TIMOTHY F
12150
RW 400 CA RIDGECREST 7027 All
FRACKOWIAK ANTHONY 10430 CA ROSAMOND 1529 Fixed
BRUCKLER JACOB 2890 CA ROSEVILLE 464114 All
HUBIK PETER 7110 CA ROSEVILLE 619203
LACOSTE MARK 7770 CA ROSEVILLE 6681 Fixed
WRIGHT TIMOTHY 6570 CA ROSEVILLE 522051
HOPPE JOHN 2540 CA SACRAMENTO 92335
UNZE STEVEN 10980 CA SAN ANSELMO 602610
MANNING GEORGE 7690 CA SAN BERNARDINO 30158 All
THACKER COL BOB 5340 CA SAN CLEMENTE 68197
BAGEMAN PAUL 5090 CA SAN DIEGO 165867
GAGLIARDI FRANK 13190 CA SAN DIEGO 7225 Fixed
GARZA BUCK 6060 CA SAN DIEGO 203483
WOLFE CHRISTOPHER 10690 CA SAN DIEGO 379227
DILLON KENNETH 7330 CA SAN DIMAS 278389
KAVROS PERRY RW 250 CA SAN JOSE 321299
MCCONNELL GORDON 1600 CA SAN JOSE 5765 All
NGUYEN TAM 210 CA SAN JOSE 603062
PARKS ROBERT 540 CA SAN JOSE 78925
JENNINGS GORDON 7150 CA SAN LUIS OBISPO 214030
SMITH BRIAN RW 600 CA SAN RAFAEL 445664
* Represents RC fixed wing model with production/kit engine unless otherwise noted.
RW = rotary wing, HB = homebuilt, CL = control line Page 3 of 21
2006 AMA Turbine Waiver Holders
As of August 31, 2006 - Sorted by State/City
**Waiver holders with "Fixed" CD status may sign fixed wing turbine applications only.
Last Name First Name
Waiver
Number* State City
AMA
Number
CD
Status**
SEARLES DAVID 4260 CA SANTA ANA 387537
MATTA DALLAS 1260 CA SANTA CRUZ 82838
FONG LOREN RW 560 CA SANTA ROSA 646226
STOCKS JEFF 6670 CA SANTA ROSA 786807
NEUBERGER JERRY 10410 CA SANTEE 1324 All
DAIL COREY 5800 CA SAUGUS 104370
RAIS GEORGE 7310 CA SEAL BEACH 97501 Fixed
JANIGER ROBERT 630 CA SHERMAN OAKS 212032 All
DI FATTA SAM 13180 CA SIMI VALLEY 105600
SOMES JASON
6040
RW 140 CA SIMI VALLEY 273507
WARD TORREY 940 CA SIMI VALLEY 4TW
VANCE JON 5750 CA SOLANA BEACH 82919
FUSINATO DAVID 10790 CA SQUAW VALLEY 410988
MACIAS JOSE 12300 CA STOCKTON 82406
FULLINGTON GREGORY 12250 CA SUNLAND 456344
DAVEY JAMES RW 570 CA SUNNYVALE 417485
CHRISTENSEN JOHN
10350
RW 175 CA TARZANA MERLIN
DIGREGORIO VINCE 11520 CA TARZANA 448572
HORST REX 5720 CA TARZANA 640272
HUNT WILLIAM 2910 CA TEHACHAPI 568230
EDWARDS FRANK 6840 CA TEMECULA 704139
HARCHARIK TERENCE 7100 CA TRABUCO CANYON 537549
HESS DALE 2120 CA UPLAND 351379
DELLINGER CHRISTOPH 3610 CA VACAVILLE 3566 Fixed
ROBERSON KERRY 4810 CA VACAVILLE 62166
WELCH LAMONT 3780 CA VACAVILLE 25107 Fixed
CORTEZ JAIME 1940 CA VALLEJO 178389
WILCOX ROBERT 180 CA VAN NUYS 6763 Fixed
FOSTER WILLIAM 12360 CA VICTORVILLE 356115
SILZ RICHARD 4800 CA VICTORVILLE 16627
HOULIHAN JOHN 2620 CA WASCO 44833
EDWARDS BILLY 10590 CA WEST HILLS 797134
LE GARY 6500 CA WEST MINISTER 721111
BROWER GARY 6010 CA WHITMORE 589452
SETTING CHRIS 6130 CA WINDSOR 269250
WHITESIDE WILLIAM 6640 CA WINDSOR 456396
KIM SUNG 3920 CA WOODLAND HILLS 680167
WERT ALEXANDER RW 340 CA WOODSIDE 150244
JARRELL MARK 12960 CA YUCAIPA
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