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Old Feb 20, 2007, 12:21 PM
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Historical information on real P-38's

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...47&postcount=3

Type: Heavy fighter
Manufacturer: Lockheed
Designed by: Kelly Johnson
Maiden flight: 27 January 1939
Introduced: 1941
Retired: 1949
Primary user: United States Army Air Force
Produced: 1941-1945
Number built: 10,037
Unit cost: $134,284 when new
Variants: Lockheed XP-49, XP-58 Chain Lightning

The Lockheed P-38 Lightning was a World War II American fighter aircraft. Developed to a United States Army Air Corps requirement, the P-38 had distinctive twin booms with the engines mounted forward and a single, central nacelle containing the pilot and armament. The aircraft was used in a number of different roles, when equipped with droppable fuel tanks under its wings, it was used extensively as a long-range escort fighter. The Lightning was also used for dive bombing, level bombing, ground strafing and photo reconnaissance missions. The P-38 was used most extensively and successfully in the South West Pacific theater, where it was credited with destroying more Japanese aircraft than any other Allied fighter.

Lockheed designed the P-38 in response to a 1937 United States Army Air Corps request for a high-altitude interceptor, capable of 360 miles per hour at altitude of 20,000 feet, (580 km/h at 6100 m). The Bell P-39 Airacobra and the Curtiss P-40 Warhawk were designed to the same requirements.

Two 1000 hp (746 kW) turbo-supercharged 12-cylinder Allison V-1710 engines with counter-rotating propellers eliminated the effect of engine torque. The superchargers were positioned in the booms, behind the engines. The design was the first fighter to utilize tricycle undercarriage.

The P-38's service record shows mixed results. On the negative side, most variants were certainly harder to fly than the best single-engine fighters and in early models, pilots suffered badly from the cold in northern climates. Also, the twin turbocharged Allisons had problems a good portion of Lightnings were lost during the war due to engine difficulties rather than by enemy gunfire, which contributed to the plane's relatively low kill-ratio. Up until the "J-25" variant, P-38s were often "sitting ducks" to Luftwaffe fighters because of the problematic engines and the lack of dive flaps to counter compressibility in dives. German fighter pilots would often go into steep dives because they knew that the Lightnings would be reluctant to follow.

Although not the best dogfighter, the Lightning's greatest virtues were long range, heavy payload, high speed, fast climb and concentrated firepower. The P-38 was a formidable interceptor and attack aircraft and, in the hands of a good pilot, could be dangerous in air-to-air combat. In the Pacific theater, the P-38 downed over 1800 Japanese aircraft, with more than 100 pilots becoming aces by downing five or more enemy.
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 01:13 PM
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...and let's not forget the highest ranking American ace of World War II flew a P-38.

(Honestly, I'm not sure how anyone could say the P-38 was "not the best dogfighter", when so many aces flew them!)
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 01:34 PM
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The F6F Hellcat had a 19 to 1 Kill rate! I believe it beats the P-38 ( and my beloved Corsair). However Bong and otner pilots racked up really high scores with the Forked tail Devil. Higher than the swarms of Navy pilots pouncing on the poor enemy did.
Or so i remember!
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 01:39 PM
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Here's an excellent resource regarding American Aces of WWII. It has stats of both planes and pilots.

Bong had 40 kills in the P-38, and McGuire had 38.

http://acepilots.com/

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Old Feb 20, 2007, 01:42 PM
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Yes, Bong (the No. 1 U.S. ace) flew a P-38. So did Tommy MaGuire, the No. 2 U.S. ace. Hmmm.......
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 01:52 PM
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But the P-38 got a head start!
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 02:08 PM
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I believe the P-38 had a 10 to 1 kill card! Anyone have numbers on this! I tried looking but on Dial-up i may as well go build another GWS38 while i'm waiting!
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 02:28 PM
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I believe the P-38 had a 10 to 1 kill card! Anyone have numbers on this! I tried looking but on Dial-up i may as well go build another GWS38 while i'm waiting!
Merlin
Merlin,

From the internet:

"The P-38 routinely destroyed bombers, fighters, and ships without many losses. In fact, the average kill ratio was over 10 to 1. For every ten confirmed kills, only one P-38 was lost to all causes (this includes being shot down, lost at sea, and mechanical failures)."

And according to the Wikipedia article on the P-38, the low kill ratio was attributed mainly to the fact that early variants often suffered losses due to engine troubles, and not to enemy fire.

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Old Feb 20, 2007, 02:43 PM
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Thanks Pat.

BTW how is you 38?
Brushless rules!
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P.S. It was engine trouble and not Jap fighters that got me!LOL
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 04:00 PM
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Merlin,

Got to do some work on #2, one of the bl motors is giving me fits. Probably damaged in the crash. I'm really waiting on this 2.4 module system to come out so I can stick one in my 38 and not worry about glitches anymore.

If I can't resolve the motor problem, then I have 2 BP-21s to toss in there.

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Old Feb 20, 2007, 04:15 PM
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Merlin,

Got to do some work on #2, one of the bl motors is giving me fits. Probably damaged in the crash. I'm really waiting on this 2.4 module system to come out so I can stick one in my 38 and not worry about glitches anymore.

If I can't resolve the motor problem, then I have 2 BP-21s to toss in there.

Pat
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I went the TP(BP) 2208-21 star route! The plane T/O and flies at 1/2 throttle, loops and rolls at 1/2 throttle and does aprox. 50mph wide open. And you know mine is HEAVY. I love them!
Merlin

P.S. i know where to get them for $29.99 for one W/esc or two for $50 with 2 18amp speed controls.
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 04:40 PM
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I got 4 2408-21's from GorillaBob at the AZ Electric Fest last month for about $11 each (no ESCs). I expect about the same performance as with my Hacker A20-30Ms.

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Old Feb 20, 2007, 06:37 PM
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Hey,Mr. Lin, anyword on the P40 earlybird ???????
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 07:13 PM
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Happy Chinese New Year to Everyone at GWS and R/C Groups
Feb 18-25 2007 (the year of the Pig)
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 07:35 PM
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Merlin,

From the internet:

"The P-38 routinely destroyed bombers, fighters, and ships without many losses. In fact, the average kill ratio was over 10 to 1. For every ten confirmed kills, only one P-38 was lost to all causes (this includes being shot down, lost at sea, and mechanical failures)."

And according to the Wikipedia article on the P-38, the low kill ratio was attributed mainly to the fact that early variants often suffered losses due to engine troubles, and not to enemy fire.

Pat
Yeah, but by the time it was fully operational there wasn't that much to fight and most of the skilled pilots had been killed off?

Its a sweet plane, but no story is the whole story!
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