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billyzelsnack · Oct 21, 2006, 05:10 PM

Ade. I get the same result with my Blade TX. The graphs are similar too. With the gap going high.

Malc. The gradiations on both scope pics are at 1ms. So the pulse width looks to be within 1 and 2ms.

Zaragon. I checked and the shell is grounded.

If I measure with ground and signal reversed I get a graph that looks just like Malcs. I don't dare trying flipping the signal and ground when plugged into the interface without confirmation from the Phoenix guys. I have yet to hear back from them on that.

Malc. Maybe they don't support both + and - edges and instead just have the adapter wiring flipped. This is why I'd like to find someone with an actual Esky adapter and check it on a the meter.

Malc. I'm not so familiar with the scope program you are using. Where would a reference 0 volts be? If your signal is only negative then maybe I do indeed just need to flip the signal and ground on my adapter.

Malc C · Oct 21, 2006, 05:27 PM

The scope is one of the freeware soundcard based Oscilloscopes, so i can't actually give you any voltages (something to do with the A/c decoupling on soundcards or something). as the JR has a 3.5mm I simply used a 3.5mm mono jack plug to 3.5mm mono jack plug lead to capture the trace.

Ade · Oct 22, 2006, 03:48 AM

do you know anybody with one of the higher quality transmitters you could try with it?

Ade

slipstick · Oct 22, 2006, 04:04 AM

The buddy output on JR Txs is already capacitively coupled within the Tx so it floats with respect to ground anyway. On the ones I've measured the amplitude can be anywhere between 1.5V p-p and 6V p-p. The "gap" (reset pulse) needs to be at least 3-4ms for it to work. The signal from the ESky Tx looks more like a Futaba signal with the pulses going high. It's slightly lower amplitude, Futaba is usually around 7-8V p-p.

Ade, I'd guess that Phoenix uses a single interface circuit with just different leads for the different Tx makes. Do we know if that's true ? If so and it can cope with both JR and Futaba signals it shouldn't really have a problem with the Esky. It's always possible that Billy simply has a bad one.

Steve

Ade · Oct 22, 2006, 04:32 AM

the phoenix is just one interface with a jack on the end. this works for JR. For other tx's there are adapters that plug into the lead to suit your tx.

billy i have spoken to phoenix, you bought it from ebay, there is a chance that the interface you have is dodgy. do you have a picture of it?

a link to the auction might help too.

Ade

billyzelsnack · Oct 22, 2006, 04:52 AM

I didn't buy from Ebay. I bought it from a guy on rcgroups. I'll PM you the link Ade. He was running it on a 7202.

I'm guessing the issue is what slipstick mentioned. I'm just waiting for confirmation that the interface will be ok with neg volts before I try.

Pinecone · Oct 22, 2006, 07:07 AM

Hmm, wasn't there a problem with early links and JR Txs blowing the link system? Maybe a blown link box.

Zaragon · Oct 22, 2006, 08:37 AM

I've got an Esky radio here that I use for a simulator it is a model E8 according to the box. Having just pulled apart the plug for the USB interface the signal is on Pin 1 according to the pin out billzelsnack had in one of his earlier posts.

There is a picture of the socket in another thread, the picture is: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attac...hmentid=666037
and the signal pin is the top left pin.

Ade · Oct 22, 2006, 10:37 AM

just spoke to phoenix they are sorting it

Ade

nemo_uk · Oct 26, 2006, 05:29 AM

Hi Ade,

Can you tell me if PhoenixRC visually represents an aircrafts undercarriage suspension? (Its one things I really liked about AFPD)

It mentions a "gear spring" parameter in the manual.

thanks,

Tony

(I could just wait a couple of days and find out myself since I've just sold my copy of AeroFly and ordered PhoenixRC

)

Ade · Oct 26, 2006, 11:14 AM

must admit that suspention isnt at the top of my list of priorities but just fired it up and yes you do get some bounce... its not quite as springy as afpd tho.

Ade

nemo_uk · Oct 26, 2006, 11:56 AM

Thanks for the response. Its one of little things I liked especially on AFPD’s Sikorsky S-58.

L0stS0ul · Oct 30, 2006, 01:03 PM

I see that they have added the T-rex 450 and 600's to the sim. It's quite nice that they are releasing free planes/helis as often as they are. g3.5 has really disapointed me. I've got an old E-flite Blade CP tx laying around. Anyone know if that will work with the sim?

Ade · Oct 30, 2006, 01:50 PM

the best thing in this case is to drop them an email.

i can vouch that Ashley has a good job, flown both the 450 and 600 and the sim is a very good representation of them both.

Ade

nemo_uk · Oct 30, 2006, 04:19 PM

a quick video of PhoenixRC ...

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=590141

and some pics ...

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Oct 21, 2006, 05:10 PM	#61
billyzelsnack drops screws Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,172	Ade. I get the same result with my Blade TX. The graphs are similar too. With the gap going high. Malc. The gradiations on both scope pics are at 1ms. So the pulse width looks to be within 1 and 2ms. Zaragon. I checked and the shell is grounded. If I measure with ground and signal reversed I get a graph that looks just like Malcs. I don't dare trying flipping the signal and ground when plugged into the interface without confirmation from the Phoenix guys. I have yet to hear back from them on that. Malc. Maybe they don't support both + and - edges and instead just have the adapter wiring flipped. This is why I'd like to find someone with an actual Esky adapter and check it on a the meter. Malc. I'm not so familiar with the scope program you are using. Where would a reference 0 volts be? If your signal is only negative then maybe I do indeed just need to flip the signal and ground on my adapter.

Oct 21, 2006, 05:27 PM	#62
Malc C Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,233	The scope is one of the freeware soundcard based Oscilloscopes, so i can't actually give you any voltages (something to do with the A/c decoupling on soundcards or something). as the JR has a 3.5mm I simply used a 3.5mm mono jack plug to 3.5mm mono jack plug lead to capture the trace.

Oct 22, 2006, 03:48 AM	#63
Ade Instructor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bournemouth UK Posts: 1,829	do you know anybody with one of the higher quality transmitters you could try with it? Ade

Oct 22, 2006, 04:04 AM	#64
slipstick Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Staffs, UK Posts: 5,298	The buddy output on JR Txs is already capacitively coupled within the Tx so it floats with respect to ground anyway. On the ones I've measured the amplitude can be anywhere between 1.5V p-p and 6V p-p. The "gap" (reset pulse) needs to be at least 3-4ms for it to work. The signal from the ESky Tx looks more like a Futaba signal with the pulses going high. It's slightly lower amplitude, Futaba is usually around 7-8V p-p. Ade, I'd guess that Phoenix uses a single interface circuit with just different leads for the different Tx makes. Do we know if that's true ? If so and it can cope with both JR and Futaba signals it shouldn't really have a problem with the Esky. It's always possible that Billy simply has a bad one. Steve

Oct 22, 2006, 04:32 AM	#65
Ade Instructor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bournemouth UK Posts: 1,829	the phoenix is just one interface with a jack on the end. this works for JR. For other tx's there are adapters that plug into the lead to suit your tx. billy i have spoken to phoenix, you bought it from ebay, there is a chance that the interface you have is dodgy. do you have a picture of it? a link to the auction might help too. Ade

Oct 22, 2006, 04:52 AM	#66
billyzelsnack drops screws Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,172	I didn't buy from Ebay. I bought it from a guy on rcgroups. I'll PM you the link Ade. He was running it on a 7202. I'm guessing the issue is what slipstick mentioned. I'm just waiting for confirmation that the interface will be ok with neg volts before I try.

Oct 22, 2006, 08:37 AM	#68
Zaragon Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 227	I've got an Esky radio here that I use for a simulator it is a model E8 according to the box. Having just pulled apart the plug for the USB interface the signal is on Pin 1 according to the pin out billzelsnack had in one of his earlier posts. There is a picture of the socket in another thread, the picture is: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attac...hmentid=666037 and the signal pin is the top left pin.

Oct 22, 2006, 10:37 AM	#69
Ade Instructor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bournemouth UK Posts: 1,829	just spoke to phoenix they are sorting it Ade

Oct 26, 2006, 05:29 AM	#70
nemo_uk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 454	Hi Ade, Can you tell me if PhoenixRC visually represents an aircrafts undercarriage suspension? (Its one things I really liked about AFPD) It mentions a "gear spring" parameter in the manual. thanks, Tony (I could just wait a couple of days and find out myself since I've just sold my copy of AeroFly and ordered PhoenixRC )

Oct 26, 2006, 11:14 AM	#71
Ade Instructor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bournemouth UK Posts: 1,829	must admit that suspention isnt at the top of my list of priorities but just fired it up and yes you do get some bounce... its not quite as springy as afpd tho. Ade

Oct 26, 2006, 11:56 AM	#72
nemo_uk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 454	Thanks for the response. Its one of little things I liked especially on AFPD’s Sikorsky S-58.

Oct 30, 2006, 01:03 PM	#73
L0stS0ul Ship first, Improve often Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,972	I see that they have added the T-rex 450 and 600's to the sim. It's quite nice that they are releasing free planes/helis as often as they are. g3.5 has really disapointed me. I've got an old E-flite Blade CP tx laying around. Anyone know if that will work with the sim?

Oct 30, 2006, 01:50 PM	#74
Ade Instructor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bournemouth UK Posts: 1,829	the best thing in this case is to drop them an email. i can vouch that Ashley has a good job, flown both the 450 and 600 and the sim is a very good representation of them both. Ade