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Ade · Oct 17, 2006, 12:53 PM

is the dx6 similar to another radio? we dont have them over here so i havent seen one.

Ade

Malc C · Oct 17, 2006, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L0stS0ul

So they are not going to support interfaces that are not real radios?

Basically the device shown in the link in your post is a transmitter case containing a PIC-Serial interface for FMS (and possibly supported by Clearview), its does not emulate a standard windows joystick or normal radio.

You have to realise that applications such as Phoenix, Reflex and AFPD are tools to allow you to practice your flying skills when its dark, the weather is too bad to fly, or any other reason you can't make it to the flying field. They primary function is to allow you to use the same radio that you would when flying the real thing and hence "simulate" flying a model aircraft, they are not designed to be a "game" that supports various joysticks either normal gampad type or made to resemble a TX. The interface is designed to read the PPM signals from a standard trainer port that most leading manufactures fit to their radios.

pox67 · Oct 17, 2006, 01:01 PM

I believe the DX6 is made with JR components and uses the same connector.

Malc C · Oct 17, 2006, 01:06 PM

I'm not 100% sure, but from what I can remember from reading other posts on the form the DX6 does have a trainer port and sends a PPm signal from it. However I think the problem is that the CCPM signals are encoded in the PPM signal which causes issued when trying to calibrate the TX within the simulator. - I might be confusing this with a different model so it may be worth doing a search on the TX in this forum to see if I'm correct

L0stS0ul · Oct 17, 2006, 01:51 PM

I understand what they are doing. I just think it is stupid not to include USB and serial access. There are many of these dummy radios out there that you can use to fly simulators. I have yet to find any simulator out there that models every single possible airplane/heli out there and also support the actual motor/battery/fuel/etc combination. I've never flown one model in any simulator that flies exactly like any of my planes/helis so it's not helping me fly any of my real planes. Sure they get close but none of them are perfect. I use the simulators as a tool to help me progress my skills and try out those manuvers that I don't dare at the field but it is NOT a substitute for reality and I don't want to use my expensive transmitter when flying the simulator. The G3 controller and all of the others like that feel, look, and act enough like my real controller that the "simulation" is good enough.

You also mentioned AFPD and Reflex XTR which both support these fake TX's. It is known that you can even use the Realflight G3/G2/and Nexstar controllers with both of them. Phoenix really should think about adding support for these USB devices.

Ade · Oct 17, 2006, 02:19 PM

as far as i know XTR only supports its own dongle.

Ade

pox67 · Oct 17, 2006, 02:30 PM

Thanks for the replies on the DX6. I think it should work although I would like to hear from someone who has one.

Does any one know about the wide screen resolution issue?
Can Phoenix support 1680x1050 resolution?

L0stS0ul · Oct 17, 2006, 02:48 PM

yup you're right, Just took another look at xtr's website and they don't support anything but their own dongle.

either way the lack of this feature makes phoenix unusable to me so I'll stop posting here. Hopefully they think about it and add USB support.

Malc C · Oct 17, 2006, 04:40 PM

The main reason its not offered is because the hardware forms part of the protection against copying. At least two of the top of the line sims use the same option, namely AFPD and Reflex. Both have USB interfaces that use their own protocol and work in conjunction with the software, Phoenix is simply following suit and protecting its development.

Personally I can't understand your objections for not using your own TX with a sim. Using the same TX as you would when you fly for real makes it feel the same as when you are using the sim (hard to explain really, but you feel the same resistive movement of the sticks etc)

L0stS0ul · Oct 17, 2006, 04:59 PM

Because I DON'T WANT TO. Lots of companies use dongles. I'm not asking them not to protect their software. They can continue to require their dongle AND provide USB support. That is what AFPD does. That is what RealFlight G3 does. What do they care what controller is used be it a real interface or a fake one. For them it should just be control mapings.

Ade · Oct 18, 2006, 02:44 AM

phoenix are very receptive to suggestions. It might be worth sending an email to them asking them to add support for other controllers.

I know they have their own USB tx in developement at the moment so it will be an option soon.

AFPD only allows USB support if you have the pirated version as far as I know.

Ade

RickDelten · Oct 18, 2006, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ade

phoenix are very receptive to suggestions. It might be worth sending an email to them asking them to add support for other controllers.

I know they have their own USB tx in developement at the moment so it will be an option soon.

AFPD only allows USB support if you have the pirated version as far as I know.

Ade

Thats just false

northernmonkey · Oct 18, 2006, 06:21 AM

Any video from this sim anywhere? The Phoenix site mentions it but I can't seem to find anything.

Ade · Oct 19, 2006, 02:35 AM

they are switching servers at the moment. Also with all the improvements to the graphics and physics the old videos just dont do the sim justice. Some new videos will be up soon.

As for AFPD, so you have a non hacked version that supports devices other than the AFPD dongle?

Ade

slipstick · Oct 19, 2006, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ade

As for AFPD, so you have a non hacked version that supports devices other than the AFPD dongle?

AFPD has always supported other devices.....provided that the dongle is also plugged in. I.e. dongle has to be present but you don't have to use it as the interface.

BTW anyone know when the Phoenix aircraft development kit will be available ? I'd quite like to give Phoenix a try but there's no chance of me paying good money for a sim that makes me hang about in the forlorn hope that the manufacturer will get round to creating the models I want

. E.g. it seems to be desparately short of interesting electric models. The parameterisation looks fairly comprehensive so it may be possible to persuade things to fly reasonably like whatever you're interested in but there's not much point paying for photorealism if it insists on using a photo of the wrong plane

.

Steve

Oct 17, 2006, 02:30 PM	#37
pox67 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 47	Thanks for the replies on the DX6. I think it should work although I would like to hear from someone who has one. Does any one know about the wide screen resolution issue? Can Phoenix support 1680x1050 resolution? Last edited by pox67; Oct 17, 2006 at 02:31 PM. Reason: spelling

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Oct 17, 2006, 12:53 PM	#31
Ade Instructor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bournemouth UK Posts: 1,829	is the dx6 similar to another radio? we dont have them over here so i havent seen one. Ade

Oct 17, 2006, 01:01 PM	#33
pox67 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 47	I believe the DX6 is made with JR components and uses the same connector.

Oct 17, 2006, 01:06 PM	#34
Malc C Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,234	I'm not 100% sure, but from what I can remember from reading other posts on the form the DX6 does have a trainer port and sends a PPm signal from it. However I think the problem is that the CCPM signals are encoded in the PPM signal which causes issued when trying to calibrate the TX within the simulator. - I might be confusing this with a different model so it may be worth doing a search on the TX in this forum to see if I'm correct

Oct 17, 2006, 01:51 PM	#35
L0stS0ul Ship first, Improve often Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,972	I understand what they are doing. I just think it is stupid not to include USB and serial access. There are many of these dummy radios out there that you can use to fly simulators. I have yet to find any simulator out there that models every single possible airplane/heli out there and also support the actual motor/battery/fuel/etc combination. I've never flown one model in any simulator that flies exactly like any of my planes/helis so it's not helping me fly any of my real planes. Sure they get close but none of them are perfect. I use the simulators as a tool to help me progress my skills and try out those manuvers that I don't dare at the field but it is NOT a substitute for reality and I don't want to use my expensive transmitter when flying the simulator. The G3 controller and all of the others like that feel, look, and act enough like my real controller that the "simulation" is good enough. You also mentioned AFPD and Reflex XTR which both support these fake TX's. It is known that you can even use the Realflight G3/G2/and Nexstar controllers with both of them. Phoenix really should think about adding support for these USB devices.

Oct 17, 2006, 02:19 PM	#36
Ade Instructor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bournemouth UK Posts: 1,829	as far as i know XTR only supports its own dongle. Ade

Oct 17, 2006, 02:48 PM	#38
L0stS0ul Ship first, Improve often Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,972	yup you're right, Just took another look at xtr's website and they don't support anything but their own dongle. either way the lack of this feature makes phoenix unusable to me so I'll stop posting here. Hopefully they think about it and add USB support.

Oct 17, 2006, 04:40 PM	#39
Malc C Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,234	The main reason its not offered is because the hardware forms part of the protection against copying. At least two of the top of the line sims use the same option, namely AFPD and Reflex. Both have USB interfaces that use their own protocol and work in conjunction with the software, Phoenix is simply following suit and protecting its development. Personally I can't understand your objections for not using your own TX with a sim. Using the same TX as you would when you fly for real makes it feel the same as when you are using the sim (hard to explain really, but you feel the same resistive movement of the sticks etc)

Oct 17, 2006, 04:59 PM	#40
L0stS0ul Ship first, Improve often Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,972	Because I DON'T WANT TO. Lots of companies use dongles. I'm not asking them not to protect their software. They can continue to require their dongle AND provide USB support. That is what AFPD does. That is what RealFlight G3 does. What do they care what controller is used be it a real interface or a fake one. For them it should just be control mapings.

Oct 18, 2006, 02:44 AM	#41
Ade Instructor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bournemouth UK Posts: 1,829	phoenix are very receptive to suggestions. It might be worth sending an email to them asking them to add support for other controllers. I know they have their own USB tx in developement at the moment so it will be an option soon. AFPD only allows USB support if you have the pirated version as far as I know. Ade

Oct 18, 2006, 06:21 AM	#43
northernmonkey Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fleetwood, Northern England Posts: 304	Any video from this sim anywhere? The Phoenix site mentions it but I can't seem to find anything.

Oct 19, 2006, 02:35 AM	#44
Ade Instructor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bournemouth UK Posts: 1,829	they are switching servers at the moment. Also with all the improvements to the graphics and physics the old videos just dont do the sim justice. Some new videos will be up soon. As for AFPD, so you have a non hacked version that supports devices other than the AFPD dongle? Ade