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Old Aug 07, 2006, 10:27 PM
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Estes Air Force One 747

I noticed this thing on the Walmart web site for $100 bucks when i was ordering mu Storm Launcher. I got it in to day and took it for a flight

It has Bang Bang controls with just throttle and differential. No elevator .

Of course I plan to convert it to full controls, but got to find out how it does stock first.

Charged it up and took it out for a spin.
First flight was not well, didn't want to climb and just rolled into the ground.
The fan units are made to pop off and that they did.

Threw it up higher and it flew , but would only turn left and keep losing altitude till it hit the ground hard.

So I did a little tweaking on the rudder, wings, and horizontal ( there are no trim tabs ) and that made a huge difference.
It then flew with good power to climb and the turning is done in pulses. The motors will only hold a turn for about 3 seconds anyway so you don't roll it in. You have to counter steer to bring it out of a turn.

So it did OK but I can't stand not having elevator, nothing like throttling up to try and bring the nose up on landing. Which just makes for a harder landing.

Time for a conversion, Might even try to install retracts .
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Old Aug 07, 2006, 10:31 PM
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good luck!, i converted the eagleye spy plane to rudder and elevator last year, and i hear ya "ican't stand not having elevator!"
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Old Aug 08, 2006, 03:06 AM
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Someone I knew walked out of that crash in the Iowa field years ago. Imagine trying to land a giant heavily laden aluminum plane with similar but even less control possibilities than your experience with the Estes toy.




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I noticed this thing on the Walmart web site for $100 bucks when i was ordering mu Storm Launcher. I got it in to day and took it for a flight

It has Bang Bang controls with just throttle and differential. No elevator .
Charged it up and took it out for a spin.
First flight was not well, didn't want to climb and just rolled into the ground.
The fan units are made to pop off and that they did.
Threw it up higher and it flew , but would only turn left and keep losing altitude till it hit the ground hard.
It then flew with good power to climb and the turning is done in pulses. The motors will only hold a turn for about 3 seconds anyway so you don't roll it in. You have to counter steer to bring it out of a turn.
So it did OK but I can't stand not having elevator, nothing like throttling up to try and bring the nose up on landing. Which just makes for a harder landing.

Time for a conversion.
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Old Aug 08, 2006, 04:10 AM
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Someone I knew walked out of that crash in the Iowa field years ago. Imagine trying to land a giant heavily laden aluminum plane with similar but even less control possibilities than your experience with the Estes toy.
I though of that exact same crash that you mentioned after I flew it. The control was about the same that the "voluntary' pilot did for the captain and brought it in on the run way.

My landing was similar in style, but there was no lose of life, Just knock off the Fans, but there suppose to do that.
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Old Aug 08, 2006, 02:26 PM
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Differential thrust as your only control option and you are riding in the plane!

Here is a link on the United Flight 232-Sioux City, Iowa crash:

http://www.airdisaster.com/eyewitness/ua232.shtml

They not only had to fly only on differential thrust but the plane had an unfixable right turn to deal with too. I got to see Captain Haynes presentation about the flght at Oshkosh a while back. Pretty amazing.
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Old Aug 08, 2006, 06:51 PM
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well I gutted all the radio and plastic parts off of it to start with.

All the gear and non essential parts came up to 70 grams total. Now I will start to remove some of the foam out of the body that i don't think is necessary.

I haven't weighed the airframe yet , but I will do a before and after with the weight reduction.
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Old Mar 12, 2007, 10:42 AM
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Any advancememnt on this project?
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Old Mar 12, 2007, 07:07 PM
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you sure you found that plane on the walmart site for $100?
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Old Mar 12, 2007, 07:30 PM
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you sure you found that plane on the walmart site for $100?
It was back then. Seems they what $134 for it now.


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Old Apr 13, 2007, 02:18 PM
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ANy progress on this? I am really interested!!
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Old Apr 13, 2007, 02:31 PM
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It was back then. Seems they what $134 for it now.


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It's the license fee they pay Boeing To quote,

""747 shape is licensed from Boeing""
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Old Sep 13, 2007, 11:58 PM
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I just bought 3 of these for $59.00 each at Big 5 sporting goods in Mira Mesa, California. Sale ends Sept 23rd. I am very interested in making the conversion to one of mine as well. Hope to see some pictures and I'm sure everyone would like to know how it flies.

Good Luck!!
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 12:01 AM
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After reading this I just went to my local Big 5 (Salt Lake City) and bought my second Air Force One. A great deal on a beautiful model. I fly my in stock config and while the controls are restrictive and challenging, it's still fun see the semi-scale flight. I'm not very motivated to start a build or mod, but I might just try it on my original for better control and more fun.
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Old Sep 15, 2007, 01:17 AM
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My maiden flight was about 3 minutes, but prior to that I had to drain the batteries all the way down and then recharge them. It's a beautiful flying machine, but would certainly be better with elevator control and a LiPo.

Did you get it for 59.00 as well? I wasn't sure anybody outside of CA had Big 5, but I'm glad I posted it now.
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Old Sep 16, 2007, 02:48 PM
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