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Old Aug 05, 2006, 01:38 AM
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Park Scale Models Cessna 182

So as I was testing the Cessna 206 on floats I ran into some radio issues that ended up with me wading into the lake with the water up to my chest to retrieve the downed plane. Zeke designs some solid planes but after a plane spirals into the water under power it tends to get a little beat up.

So Zeke asked me if I wanted to try his new Cessna 182 kit. I jumped at the idea. It's a redesign of his 206 kit so it's very familiar to me and I felt I could do it better the second time. I have just started the build and am going to try to document it for anyone that might be interested in this kit.

It's availible at http://www.parkscalemodels.com

I'm going to power this with a CustomCDR Single cool wind motor and a Thunderbird 9 esc.

I'll feed the power system with a CommonSense RC 800mah 10c pack. A 2s pack give nice relaxing flight while a 3s pack lets you spice it up with simple areobatics.


Feel free to ask any questions or add your comments.

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Old Aug 05, 2006, 02:16 AM
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To start the kit comes on some nicely laser cut sheets of contest grade balsa and ply. It also includes a laser cut windshield and a vacuum formed cowel and spinner.

The parts fit very well and require no sanding or tweaking.

Step one is to assemble two of the fuse formers. They lock together and a few drops of thin CA and they are set. I made one minor mistake and glued the sides of one of the formers with the tabs inside. This is no big issue as they jsut help line the formers up and lock them in place. Once they are glued in the fuse it makes no difference.

The next step is to glue the landing gear formers together. There are two options for the gear. Fixed or removable. I will be using removeable as I want to swap out the wheels for floats from time to time. This requires that the nosewheel will be locked and not steerable but you can still taxi fine as the plane is light enough that the rudder will move it around.

The plane will require a few 1.8" neo magnets. I keep a supply on had and buy them from KJ Magnetics. Make sure to keep the polarity in mind when gluing them in. You want them to attract and not repel each other.

Once you have the landing gear formers ready you can start gluing the fuse sides together. As noted in teh manual make sure to make two opposite sides. There is a ply double to the cabin area of the fuse. Make sure to line this up in front with the windshield area and work back from there.

I went out of step and glued in the magnets to the F1 former and the battery hatch formers at this time. It makes it easier to do before everything is glued in. Once that is done you can move ahead with the formers. Make sure to dry fit the formers behind the cabin and not glue them in till later when you are joining both fuse sides. Otherwise you will have a terrible time trying to get it lined up.

Once you have lined up the formers it's time to start adding the stringers. I like to add just the lower stringers and then work on my control rod runs as it's easier to get them lined up and secured when not working around a bunch of stringers.

This is it for tonight but I'll have more in the near future.

Stay tuned!

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Old Aug 05, 2006, 08:47 AM
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Looks nice! Will it have ailerons or steerable nose gear?

I'm very pleased with the CDR motor w/2cell 800 in an 11oz warbird--good choice of power system! For the price you can easily say goodbye to IPS. My only complaint is we could use some info on APC props--for those of us who don't do GWS props. I'm using a 8x6SF and all stays cool after a flight.

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Old Aug 05, 2006, 10:57 AM
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Thanks for the input Griffin. I plan on adding ailerons like I did on the 206. I'm just too used to a full house setup. It wont have a steerable nosewheel on this one as I want it removable for the floats. It will still taxi fine with just the rudder pushing it around.

I sometimes use APC props but they jump the amps up for little gain in my opinion. Now on something that needs to have some speed I do prefer them. I'll see about gathering some data for APC props though. I know others have posted data on them and I have done some of my own testing of various props too.

More to come soon on the build.

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Old Aug 05, 2006, 11:55 AM
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Looks nice! Will it have ailerons or steerable nose gear?
No ailerons yet, but I'm working on them. As to the nose gear, you have the option to do a fixed, steerable nose wheel or a removeable non-steerable nose wheel. With the removeable gear, you can switch to floats in just a few seconds.
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Old Aug 06, 2006, 02:04 AM
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What I might do is build this wing without ailerons and re-do the trim on the wing from my 206 so I'll have both an aileron wing and a standard wing.

Tonight I made some good progress. I ran the tube for the control rods before putting the top stringers on. This helps with access in drilling guide holes and gluing the tubes in. Once this was done the rest of the stringers could be added. On the front stringers I found it best to glue down the front and then bend the stringer to the F4 stringer.

I then framed up the tail feathers. They lock together really well so it just takes a little thin CA once they are all lined up.

The wing is pretty striaght forward. Once you build the center section you just place the outer ribs in and line up the spars. Then slip in the main stringers on the spar and add some thin CA. Then just add the stringers and leading edge.

There are a couple options for wing tips and I'll work on that next.
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This project had to take a back seat to a busy life but I'm getting back to it. I'm working on the Hornier tips and have it all sanded. I'll snap some pics before starting covering hopefully tonight.

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Just found this thread! The kit looks very good. Please keep it coming. I've been flying Zeke's Cessna 206 for several months and it's absolutely one of my favorite. So the 182 should fly as good...or even better?

I have a Westport 17-turn outrunner in my 206 and I'm very happy with it...light weight, lots of power, and quiet. The CustomCDR Single would be an interesting choice with even more power (more power, the better with the floats, would you say?), though the high pitch motor noise may not fit scale flying of the cessna (perhaps noise is down on 2 cells?).

By the way, do the same wing fit both the 182 and 206?

The nose gear in my 206 is steerable AND removable (for floats). I just used a piece of aluminum tube to hold the nose gear wire and a wheel collar to keep it in place.
So I imagine the same can be done easily with the 182.

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Old Sep 20, 2006, 10:57 PM
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The motor with a 7x3.5 is no too loud and I have plenty on hand for this project. Yes the wings will fit both as they have the same moutn and size. The landing gear is the same also so swapping them is easy.

I covered the bottom of the fuse tonight and will get more done in the next few days.

I'll post some pics as I go.

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Just found this thread! The kit looks very good. Please keep it coming. I've been flying Zeke's Cessna 206 for several months and it's absolutely one of my favorite. So the 182 should fly as good...or even better?

I have a Westport 17-turn outrunner in my 206 and I'm very happy with it...light weight, lots of power, and quiet. The CustomCDR Single would be an interesting choice with even more power (more power, the better with the floats, would you say?), though the high pitch motor noise may not fit scale flying of the cessna (perhaps noise is down on 2 cells?).

By the way, do the same wing fit both the 182 and 206?

The nose gear in my 206 is steerable AND removable (for floats). I just used a piece of aluminum tube to hold the nose gear wire and a wheel collar to keep it in place.
So I imagine the same can be done easily with the 182.

Mitsu
Hi Mitsu...glad to hear you're enjoying your 206. As stunning as it looks on the ground, I'd love to see some shots of it in the air. Could you post a picture of your nosegear arrangement? I'd really like to see how you did it. The wings for the 206 and 182 are interchangeable plus I'm working on a aileron/option flap wing for the 206/182 as well.
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Sounds good! The 182 is up in my list. Does it come with (plastic or balsa) wheelpants?

Here is the removable+steerable nose gear in mine.
The pictures are not great, but I hope you get the idea.

I'll see if my camera crew (i.e. wife) is good enough to capture my 206 in action. Thanks for asking.
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Old Sep 23, 2006, 11:11 PM
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Okay time for an update with pics. I added the hornier wingtips and they came out pretty well. They were a little more difficult to cover with my iron but the end result looks nice.

I spent the bulk of the day covering. It's funny how a 2 year old boy can stretch out the time it takes to cover a plane in plain white. Anyway I have all the major covering done except the battery cover that I forgot to build. I'll have that wipped out tomorrow.

Now I'm just waiting on some trim some yahoo said he'd laser cut for me. I'm going to attempt to re-create the schem found on the Embry-Riddle cessna. I'll attach a pic to show.

It's moving along and as I wait the arrival of the trim I'll be installing the motor and radio gear.

Hopefully the weather holds out so I can maiden it in above freezing temps.

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Well, at the risk of hijacking Vintauri's build thread, and while he waits for his graphics, I figured I'd post here on my C-182.

I picked up the kit from Zeke at NEAT. Probably took 6-8 hours to build up the airframe, and a bunch longer to cover it, as I did my best to make it look like a Cessna.

AUW without a battery is 7 oz. Equipment includes: two BMS306 servos, a CustomCDR Cool Wind single, a Phx 10, APC 7x4 SF prop, and a 3S 400mAh 20C battery (weighs a little over 1 1/2 oz.). So, my AUW is just a shade over 8.5 oz., well within Zeke's specs. With the 7x4 prop, at WOT, I'm getting about 5.5 amps and 54 watts, putting me at just about 100 watts/lb.

The kit is a very straightforward, easy build. At Zeke's suggestion I used the 206 manual as a guide. Nice laser cutting and great wood. Parts fit is tight. The only mods I did was to cut some cooling holes/ESC wire holes in the firewall, and extend the nosegear wire (I built it with fixed gear and a steerable nosewheel) to raise the steering arm up nearer to the height of the servo control arm. Other than that, it was pretty much built stock. The only other thing I might have done, in hindsight, is to brace the vertical stab a bit.
It is fine as designed, but my personal preference would be to make it a little stronger.

Anyway, I finished the model up last night, so this morning it was off to the local soccer field for a test flight. I tried ROG'ing off of the gravel lot, but couldn't get up enough speed (small wheels, bumpy gravel) to really be comfortable taking off. So I just picked it up and handlaunched it.

Yee Haa!

It required a bunch of up triim (I may have too much down thrust in the motor), and just a couple of clicks of right trim. And after that, it was just a very stable, relaxing, easy flight. Plenty of power for loops. I've got fairly low rates set at the moment, so a rudder roll was done but was kind of ugly.
I did take a couple of pics in flight, but my antique digital camera is really not up to the task. I'll post one (very blurry) in flight pic, along with the static shots I took this morning for your viewing pleasure.

All in all, a great little kit, and a nice flyer. Looks really great in the air.

I had roughed out some wheel pants, but after this morning's flight, and given where I fly, I'm not sure they would be worth the trouble (although they would add to the "coolness factor"). In one of the threads, Zeke said he is working on an aileron wing, which I would certainly like to try on this little guy. The only thing Zeke provides in the kit, which I have not yet dealt with, is a scale spinner. I'll have to fool around with that and see what it looks like.

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Old Oct 03, 2006, 11:14 AM
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Looks great Mark. I do have most of the trim now and will hopefully be able to get it on straight and looking good. We're expecting our second child any day now so it's been tough finding time to work on any of my planes. Last night I sat down to look over the trim and I was just exhausted.

I also did an aileron mod to my 206 from Zeke and it does add to the fun. It should be an easy addition but Zeke is very busy with many designs on the table right now.

I'm glad it went well for you. If you get a chance to fly off of pavement try some touch and goes. The 206 was fun for that.

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Thanks, Steve. It is a nice, gentle flyer. You'll enjoy it. I'm looking forward to seeing yours on floats.

I know Zeke has a lot on his plate, so I will wait patiently for the aileron wing. I'm sure I could have hacked them in, but I did want to build this one stock.

Congratulations on offspring #2! I hope all goes well. My "baby" is 25, but I do remember those days -- vividly!

In looking at the pics, I just realized how washed out they are. For those who have an interest, it's Cream Solite, and the blue is Lux Blue Solartrim.

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