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Old Jul 12, 2006, 09:02 PM
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What's the WORST advise you've been given so far?

We always read about people making recommendations to "noobs" to get them off the ground with confidence.. What's the WORST piece of advice you've received so far?
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Old Jul 12, 2006, 09:39 PM
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OK.. 10 reads and no replies.. someone has to kick this off, it may as well be me...

In my case it was predatory marketing from our friends at Hobby Zone... The Firebird Freedom is so easy that you can teach yourself to fly... The anti-crash technology was so pitiful that I fought the plane every minute until I crashed it for the last time.

After I gave up on the plane, I was tearing it apart for parts, and found that the anti crash system has two connectors on a circuit board inside the plane. One of them was disconnected.... probably had been the entire time. The worst part was that this board and connectors are buried so far inside the plastic body that you can't get to them without tearing the plane apart.... absolutely stupid.
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Old Jul 12, 2006, 09:49 PM
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Start with a 40 size balsa trainer.
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Old Jul 12, 2006, 10:03 PM
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(1) The Parkzone Stryker is a slow flyer, with slow, lazy responses. great for a beginer.
(2) Aleron planes and flying wings are much easier to fly than rudder and elevator planes for beginers.
(3) Electrics have no power, beginers should start on gas and stay there.
(4) low wings are more stable for beginers because the wing is closer to the ground, so it tips the plane upright.
(5) You don't need to balance a prop, This ain't rocket science.

All told to me by various sales people. I've learned never to ask advice from someone who has something to sell.
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Old Jul 12, 2006, 10:30 PM
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When I got into R/C about 16 years ago, the worst advice I got was to have the club instructor help me. After he crashed my trainer ( a PT-40) 3 times he deemed it unflyable. After the 3rd re-build I went out on a weekend, and hooked up w/ a guy who got me in the air on my own within a few weeks, on the same plane that was deemed unflyable. I've flown a few of the same plane since them; and I think I could fly them w/ my feet they are so easy.

Recently I got some unsolicited bad "advice" from the local Hobby Town when they first opened. I forget the exact exchange, but as I was looking around to see what they had ( nothing useful) , a sales rep came over and started to chat. When I told him I fly electrics, he told me he has the exact thing I would need. (actually I though he was going to tell me that electrics won't fly and steer me to glow stuff as the store had 0 electric stuff at that time) He showed me a 9AH gel cell. Told me he and his buddies use this in their planes and fly all day with out recharging. Well I decided to play along and asked what size plane. He pointed to a .25 ARF trainer... I asked what they used for a motor. He showed me a snazzy looking buggy motor. I asked what he used for a prop. He showed my an 8x4 wood prop. I told him I have a plane about the same size, w/ battery weighs about as much as the battery he showed me, swings a 15x 8 prop and has about a 2:1 thrust to weight ratio {E3D}. He didn't believe me. I invited him to the field so we can show each other our planes and show the other how they fly. Nope Haven't seen him in over a year
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Old Jul 12, 2006, 10:59 PM
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Worst advice so far:

Start with simple 3-channel transmitter.

I fly a Multiplex Royal Evo 9 now which had a street price just shy of $500 when I bought it. But if I amalgamate the cost of the 3-channel, 4-channel, 5-channel, and 7-channel radios it took me to get there, I figure my Evo actually cost me a little over $1000.

If you're serious about the hobby, buy as much TX as you can afford. Growing into radios is a much better value than growing out of them.

And for what it's worth, I've been given much worse advice than "start with simple 3-channel transmitter" but I knew better than to follow it.

Pete
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Old Jul 13, 2006, 05:16 AM
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This didn't happen to me, but to another customer in my old model shop (now closed down due to their sheer ineptness...)

Customer and his son came in looking for a plane to fly electric round-the-pole - so what did the assistant try to sell him as 'perfect' for the job???...only a 63" radio-controlled powered glider kit!!

I stepped straight in and gave the assistant a hell of a telling-off (I hate seeing people conned - the customer and his son were Arabic and didn't speak a great deal of English). I then grabbed a modelling magazine off the shelf, opened it at an advert for a company who specialise in electric round-the-pole flying, demanded a pen and paper from the assistant, copied out the address and telephone number then gave it to the customer, who was very grateful.

Advice can be very helpful, but it's sometimes better to dig around for yourself on a great site like this.

Steve
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Old Jul 13, 2006, 08:03 AM
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Old Jul 13, 2006, 08:39 AM
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buy a Beta and not a VHS player

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Old Jul 13, 2006, 12:45 PM
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"Pretty much all the glow engines now are about the same. And they're light-years better than they were 15 years ago."

(There were one-flip-starters then, and there are now.)

"All the RTF airplanes now are wonderful flyers and much better than the older stuff from years ago".

Never mind the fact that most of the RTF's today are THE SAME airplanes from "years ago".

"Jr-sport and GWS micro single-conversion receivers are OK". (actually they're hideous piles of glitching junk)

Told to me by a 19 year-old hobby shop employee.

Whatever, he's young.

Nick B.
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Old Jul 13, 2006, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by reyn3545
OK.. 10 reads and no replies.. someone has to kick this off, it may as well be me...

In my case it was predatory marketing from our friends at Hobby Zone... The Firebird Freedom is so easy that you can teach yourself to fly... The anti-crash technology was so pitiful that I fought the plane every minute until I crashed it for the last time.

After I gave up on the plane, I was tearing it apart for parts, and found that the anti crash system has two connectors on a circuit board inside the plane. One of them was disconnected.... probably had been the entire time. The worst part was that this board and connectors are buried so far inside the plastic body that you can't get to them without tearing the plane apart.... absolutely stupid.
sounds like the same guy yhat talked me into my hzfreedom what a dissapointment; hanging on the wall to remind me of a not sosmart choice. still taxi it up the driveway and into the retaining wall wide open every once in a while.
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Old Jul 13, 2006, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PGR
Start with simple 3-channel transmitter.

I fly a Multiplex Royal Evo 9 now which had a street price just shy of $500 when I bought it. But if I amalgamate the cost of the 3-channel, 4-channel, 5-channel, and 7-channel radios it took me to get there, I figure my Evo actually cost me a little over $1000.

If you're serious about the hobby, buy as much TX as you can afford. Growing into radios is a much better value than growing out of them.

And for what it's worth, I've been given much worse advice than "start with simple 3-channel transmitter" but I knew better than to follow it.

Pete
There are situations where the "start with a 3-channel" is actually perfectly good advice. For awhile Hitec was selling these combo packs where you got something like a 555 Rx, 3 HS-55s, an Rx pack, a charge switch/jack and an el-cheapo 3-channel Tx. The price of the package was such that the Tx was essentially thrown in for free. This was an excellent deal as all of the gear would be needed anyway for whatever plane you started with, and if it turns out R/C wasn't for you you've spent as little money as possible, if it turns out R/C is your thing *then* you go buy the good Tx.

But I agree about middle-of-the-road stuff though. Either go dirt-cheap to spend as little as possible at first, or go quality right from the outset. To me it's the 5-channel Txs like the Flash 5 that are a mistake: More than you need at first but very quickly less than you want.
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Old Jul 14, 2006, 02:59 PM
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Similar to wattsup, but even worse:

Back in 2000, I went to a shop to ask about RC airplanes. The guy showed
me a *huge* WW2 glow Corsair, with retractable gear and everything (I think
it was plastic ?) and said "if you want a plane, get a real plane", with voice like
"dont be a cowardly sissy".

BTW I use a 3 channel Hitec el-cheapo for 1.5 year now, and actually just bought
my second airplane (3 channel glider) to use with the same Tx. There are quite some
things to do with 3 channels:

1. Trainer (EasyStar or the like)
2. e-Glider
3. Flying wing (the Tx has elevon/vtail mixing switch).
4. Hand/bungee-launched glider.
5. There are even some small warbirds (from Alfa Models) that are 3-channel.

Plus you dont get to select the wrong airplane in the memories !!! :P
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Old Jul 14, 2006, 03:24 PM
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* "You can get ALMOST as much flight time out of a NiMh as you can a LiPo and they are ALOT less dangerous"...

* "The Mini-Funtana MANUAL is wrong, the CG is really 2 1/8" back with the wing in the rear position, not 3 1/8"...

* "Get a Triton charger, you'll never need to charge more than a 4 cell LiPo"...

* "Thunder Power balancing plugs are the 'standard', everybody is switching to them"...

* "The Parkzone Stryker is a GREAT trainer plane"...

I've got more I'll post later, it seems the LHS's in the area seem to have an abundance of useless advice to give me...
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Old Jul 14, 2006, 03:28 PM
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I went looking to buy a GWS Slow Stick, after learning to fly. I wanted to build a photo platform. When I got into this hobby, these SS were piled up in every LHS. When I wanted one, they were all sold out. So I went to all the different LHS, even the one run by the biggest idiots I have ever met. These guys are so stupid, that when I call them on the phone to ask what brand of ESC they carry, they couldn't tell me. (He had it in his hand, and read off two words, that I didn't recognise as a brand name. He assured me that was the brand name. Needless to say, google found no information about that brand name. Later I went into the hobby shop and looked through their ESCs, and found the package he was reading, the "brand name" happened to be the first two words in a paragraph of the instruction manual that could be seen through the bag.) Anyway, I asked if he had any Slow Sticks for sale. He didn't know what a slow stick was, never heard of it, was it a plane? I pointed at the slow stick hanging right over my head, right in front of his desk, with the big sign advertising the sale price, and said do you have one of these for sale. He said I don't know, let me look. So he looked in the same place I had, with the rest of the models and said nope. Then he pulled out another plane and handed it too me saying "this one flys really slow, if you like slow flying planes." What he handed me was a very nice pusher prop jet fighter with the words "150+ MPH with stock set up" in big red letters across the front of the box. I handed it back to him and he said, this one flies at least as slow as a slow stick, probably slower.
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