MSComposite Swift II - Page 66

Truglodite · Mar 29, 2009, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AC5FF

what would be the reason for a larger motor?

More speed and/or vertical performance.

rwthomas1 · Mar 29, 2009, 10:27 AM

My Swift on had one set of horns in the kit. They were fairly small but they work great.

Regarding the motor selection: I'm a small motor advocate on this wing. I built mine to Diggs' specs and its great. As it stands the last 1/4" of throttle travel, to full power, results in little increase in forward speed yet I can hear the motor working harder. I am guessing that this airframe has a fairly low "terminal velocity" and putting more and more power on it is not efficient.

The main issue with larger motors is larger batteries, both to power the larger motor and to keep the CG from the extra weight in check. Its a vicious cycle from there, more motor, more battery, more weight, more speed, etc. This detracts from what, IMHO, is one of the best features of this wing-low speed capability. Setup light its a joy on windless days, you won't believe how low and slow it will fly. Even so, setup like this its no slouch. I fly mine in 10-15mph wind with no issues. Its not "slow" by any stretch.

If you want to go really fast then a Ritewing is a much better choice.

RT

AC5FF · Mar 30, 2009, 12:02 PM

Thx for the info.. I do have one question on that motor that Diggs recommended. I have a few of the TowerPro motors here and they look real similar but I am missing the actual specs from Hextronix motor.

Can someone who is good w/these things compair these two motors and let me know what the differences are (performance wise)...

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idproduct=5208
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=4853

Thx

Diggs · Mar 30, 2009, 05:30 PM

Most all the data you would want for those motors can be found at HeadsupRC.

TP
http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...lectric/Detail

BlueWonder
http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...lectric/Detail

I have used both, and the BW is going to pull less amps and weigh less so you can use smaller lipos and maintain CG. I haven't mounted a TowerPro on my Swift, but I have the superfly. Lots of power, but a touch heavy.

Diggs

AC5FF · Mar 30, 2009, 06:15 PM

Diggs - Thanks for those links!
That really helps a lot and explains a lot too. Guess it's time to place another HC order

edge5foamy · Mar 30, 2009, 10:10 PM

OK, after talking with Diggs(ENABLER!!!) on Skype, he talked me into getting a Swift II.

Ordered the USA scheme!

Going to be going with a really light set up on mine(using parts I have laying around)...

Hacker A10-9L
E-flite 10A ESC
HXT500 servos
AR6100e Rx

Not really looking for alot of power on mine, I just want something to float around with.

Will be using 2s pack in dead wind for just floating around, but I also have some 3s packs for it just incase

Looking forward to getting this bird in!

See yall at SEFF!

dekan · 04:13 PM

The Hacker is a very good motor, but its only really a 2s 75w motor.. IMO your proposed setup is better suited to the Mini Swift...

The Swift is better suited to the next size of motor up ie a 1500kv blue wonder or similar 24- 30g motor which will give another 25-35W 3s.... don't get me wrong... the swift is such a good plane that you will be annoyed with yourself because you can only fly it on calm days!

Diggs · Mar 31, 2009, 05:58 PM

I think he is making this one for a night flyer. IF he wasn't doing that, I would have suggested he use something with more kick like the BW motors. Heck, easy upgrade and cheap too!

Also, Episode #88 of ATTF is now up, and the majority of it is about the Swift II, and the other half is about Ritewings and such.
http://www.allthingsthatfly.com/

Diggs

GFBurke · Mar 31, 2009, 06:19 PM

swift is dumb..

krefi · Mar 31, 2009, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GFBurke

swift is dumb..

is "dumb" the new "bad"?

edge5foamy · Mar 31, 2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dekan

The Hacker is a very good motor, but its only really a 2s 75w motor.. IMO your proposed setup is better suited to the Mini Swift...

The Swift is better suited to the next size of motor up ie a 1500kv blue wonder or similar 24- 30g motor which will give another 25-35W 3s.... don't get me wrong... the swift is such a good plane that you will be annoyed with yourself because you can only fly it on calm days!

Well, that is the reason I am building it with such light gear. I am trying to build one that is as light and floaty as possible. Besides windier days is what I am getting a RightWing IYF for!!

FlyingLakland · Mar 31, 2009, 06:59 PM

hey what did you guys mount the motor mount with. Im at that stage now. I have shoo goop. used that and ca to glue the two halfs together. use the same on the mount?

p.s.

Lazertoyz.com got my order to my house in one day! thats fast. I was surrely shocked to see it at my door that fast, and swift came in perfect shape as well.

Diggs · Mar 31, 2009, 07:17 PM

I think both of mine have the mount installed with Flexible CA from Mercury. But shoe goo or goop or welders should all work fine.

Diggs

FlyingLakland · Mar 31, 2009, 07:29 PM

whew, okay good. and its all coming together quite well, i had to super glue the firewall to the mount, but its holding extreamly well.

AC5FF · Mar 31, 2009, 08:22 PM

Did I miss something?

Mounting the motor to the firewall w/ goop or CA?? Why would you do that versus using the screws?

Mar 31, 2009, 04:05 PM	#982
dekan D'oh.. Dumb Left Thumb London, UK Joined Nov 2006 5,398 Posts	The Hacker is a very good motor, but its only really a 2s 75w motor.. IMO your proposed setup is better suited to the Mini Swift... The Swift is better suited to the next size of motor up ie a 1500kv blue wonder or similar 24- 30g motor which will give another 25-35W 3s.... don't get me wrong... the swift is such a good plane that you will be annoyed with yourself because you can only fly it on calm days!
	Last edited by dekan; Mar 31, 2009 at 04:13 PM.

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Mar 29, 2009, 10:27 AM	#977
rwthomas1 Registered User Wakefield, RI, USA Joined Jan 2009 94 Posts	My Swift on had one set of horns in the kit. They were fairly small but they work great. Regarding the motor selection: I'm a small motor advocate on this wing. I built mine to Diggs' specs and its great. As it stands the last 1/4" of throttle travel, to full power, results in little increase in forward speed yet I can hear the motor working harder. I am guessing that this airframe has a fairly low "terminal velocity" and putting more and more power on it is not efficient. The main issue with larger motors is larger batteries, both to power the larger motor and to keep the CG from the extra weight in check. Its a vicious cycle from there, more motor, more battery, more weight, more speed, etc. This detracts from what, IMHO, is one of the best features of this wing-low speed capability. Setup light its a joy on windless days, you won't believe how low and slow it will fly. Even so, setup like this its no slouch. I fly mine in 10-15mph wind with no issues. Its not "slow" by any stretch. If you want to go really fast then a Ritewing is a much better choice. RT

Mar 30, 2009, 12:02 PM	#978
AC5FF Where'd The Wise Men Go?!? United States, NE, Bellevue Joined Sep 2007 2,968 Posts	Thx for the info.. I do have one question on that motor that Diggs recommended. I have a few of the TowerPro motors here and they look real similar but I am missing the actual specs from Hextronix motor. Can someone who is good w/these things compair these two motors and let me know what the differences are (performance wise)... http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idproduct=5208 http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=4853 Thx

Mar 30, 2009, 05:30 PM	#979
Diggs Not your average DiggsyBear Raleigh, NC Joined Dec 2006 8,823 Posts	Most all the data you would want for those motors can be found at HeadsupRC. TP http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...lectric/Detail BlueWonder http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...lectric/Detail I have used both, and the BW is going to pull less amps and weigh less so you can use smaller lipos and maintain CG. I haven't mounted a TowerPro on my Swift, but I have the superfly. Lots of power, but a touch heavy. Diggs

Mar 30, 2009, 06:15 PM	#980
AC5FF Where'd The Wise Men Go?!? United States, NE, Bellevue Joined Sep 2007 2,968 Posts	Diggs - Thanks for those links! That really helps a lot and explains a lot too. Guess it's time to place another HC order

Mar 30, 2009, 10:10 PM	#981
edge5foamy There is no place like Hodges! United States, GA, Byron Joined Mar 2007 3,549 Posts	OK, after talking with Diggs(ENABLER!!!) on Skype, he talked me into getting a Swift II. Ordered the USA scheme! Going to be going with a really light set up on mine(using parts I have laying around)... Hacker A10-9L E-flite 10A ESC HXT500 servos AR6100e Rx Not really looking for alot of power on mine, I just want something to float around with. Will be using 2s pack in dead wind for just floating around, but I also have some 3s packs for it just incase Looking forward to getting this bird in! See yall at SEFF!

Mar 31, 2009, 05:58 PM	#983
Diggs Not your average DiggsyBear Raleigh, NC Joined Dec 2006 8,823 Posts	I think he is making this one for a night flyer. IF he wasn't doing that, I would have suggested he use something with more kick like the BW motors. Heck, easy upgrade and cheap too! Also, Episode #88 of ATTF is now up, and the majority of it is about the Swift II, and the other half is about Ritewings and such. http://www.allthingsthatfly.com/ Diggs

Mar 31, 2009, 06:19 PM	#984
GFBurke allthingsthatfly.com USA, ID, Meridian Joined Jan 2007 6,144 Posts	swift is dumb..

Mar 31, 2009, 06:59 PM	#987
FlyingLakland Sideslip! West Chester, OH Joined Jul 2008 1,652 Posts	hey what did you guys mount the motor mount with. Im at that stage now. I have shoo goop. used that and ca to glue the two halfs together. use the same on the mount? p.s. Lazertoyz.com got my order to my house in one day! thats fast. I was surrely shocked to see it at my door that fast, and swift came in perfect shape as well.

Mar 31, 2009, 07:17 PM	#988
Diggs Not your average DiggsyBear Raleigh, NC Joined Dec 2006 8,823 Posts	I think both of mine have the mount installed with Flexible CA from Mercury. But shoe goo or goop or welders should all work fine. Diggs

Mar 31, 2009, 07:29 PM	#989
FlyingLakland Sideslip! West Chester, OH Joined Jul 2008 1,652 Posts	whew, okay good. and its all coming together quite well, i had to super glue the firewall to the mount, but its holding extreamly well.

Mar 31, 2009, 08:22 PM	#990
AC5FF Where'd The Wise Men Go?!? United States, NE, Bellevue Joined Sep 2007 2,968 Posts	Did I miss something? Mounting the motor to the firewall w/ goop or CA?? Why would you do that versus using the screws?